Massive SSR grain train

 
Topic moved from New South Wales by bevans on 20 Jun 2018 13:10
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The locos on the rear ran through to Cootmundra where the train was re-marshalled with all locos on the front through to Parkes.
bingley hall
Thanks BH.

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  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
More info on the big grain train, from Dimmy.

I've been posting these links, because they have had interesting info, from SSR executive general manager Chris Jones with regards to the operations of the train.

Mr Jones said there was a high chance a train of similar size would return to the region.

“Next fortnight we are going to South Australia with 100 wagons, but it looks like we are definitely coming back to Dimboola,” he said.


https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5647038/mega-train-spotted-taking-grain-back-to-drought-stricken-farmers/?cs=225

Cut from yesterdays Wimmera MailTimes.

There have been some nice pictures of the mighty C class, my favorite locomotive.

BigShunter.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
More info on the big grain train, from Dimmy.

I've been posting these links, because they have had interesting info, from SSR executive general manager Chris Jones with regards to the operations of the train.

Mr Jones said there was a high chance a train of similar size would return to the region.

“Next fortnight we are going to South Australia with 100 wagons, but it looks like we are definitely coming back to Dimboola,” he said.


https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5647038/mega-train-spotted-taking-grain-back-to-drought-stricken-farmers/?cs=225

Cut from yesterdays Wimmera MailTimes.

There have been some nice pictures of the mighty C class, my favorite locomotive.

BigShunter.
BigShunter

I have a horrible suspicion that most of the grain will be going to drought affected feedlots owned by multi national corporations rather than traditional farmers.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hey @Sulla1, @Graham4405 and others in the Queensland area - are there any grain imports for feedlots in say the Toowoomba/Downs area or elsewhere?  How is that moving into the area?
Graham4405
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I have a horrible suspicion that most of the grain will be going to drought affected feedlots owned by multi national corporations rather than traditional farmers.
bingley hall
I would agree.

The rail industry in Australia is not smart enough to see an opportunity for generating goodwill for the industry until some months after someone else got in first.

Then they wonder why the public is so hostile and demands railways be shoved out of sight and out of mind at every opportunity.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I have a horrible suspicion that most of the grain will be going to drought affected feedlots owned by multi national corporations rather than traditional farmers.
I would agree.

The rail industry in Australia is not smart enough to see an opportunity for generating goodwill for the industry until some months after someone else got in first.

Then they wonder why the public is so hostile and demands railways be shoved out of sight and out of mind at every opportunity.
justapassenger
That's a bit harsh and I think you could have worded it better. Remember, there are many hands that grain passes through between growing and its ultimate destination of a Mill or feed for other animals. SSR, and other carriers, are just one link in that chain.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I have a horrible suspicion that most of the grain will be going to drought affected feedlots owned by multi national corporations rather than traditional farmers.
I would agree.

The rail industry in Australia is not smart enough to see an opportunity for generating goodwill for the industry until some months after someone else got in first.

Then they wonder why the public is so hostile and demands railways be shoved out of sight and out of mind at every opportunity.
justapassenger
It is not the job of any one sector to become charitable to another one - if farmers want to coordinate and or manage their businesses to reduce drought risk then its up to them to do it.

I grew up on a farm and have quite a few views on the current charitability towards drought impacted farmers.....
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I have a horrible suspicion that most of the grain will be going to drought affected feedlots owned by multi national corporations rather than traditional farmers.
I would agree.

The rail industry in Australia is not smart enough to see an opportunity for generating goodwill for the industry until some months after someone else got in first.

Then they wonder why the public is so hostile and demands railways be shoved out of sight and out of mind at every opportunity.
justapassenger

I doubt whether the average punter gives a toss on this particular issue of who has the biggest charitable d*#k. You need to stop listening to the voices in your head Razz
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Where have these domestic grain trains been unloading ?

Did new below rail bunkers pits (fitted with a conveyor belt) have to be built to unload the hopper wagons, or do they use other methods like a suction hose ?
  a6et Minister for Railways

Where have these domestic grain trains been unloading ?

Did new below rail bunkers pits (fitted with a conveyor belt) have to be built to unload the hopper wagons, or do they use other methods like a suction hose ?
Nightfire
I would suggest that most of the large silo complexes these days when compared to the older style types have unloading facilities for rail as well as road.  Certainly what were deemed to be sub terminals such as at Moree, Werris Creek, Parkes, Junee Temora had them as grain was brought into them from the outer areas as those silos filled up in big harvest years.

Other areas also had the portable augers that were placed under the discharge bins of the wagons, and loaded into trucks. While that's slow, not sure with the way the drought is with a very small wheat harvest this year, there will likely be less need for wagons for export use this season.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

All the trains so far from SA via Broken Hill have split at Parkes Sub. Trains have then proceeded to Westons Enfield or Allied Maldon with the other half’s going to Moree Sub, Narrabri jct, Werris Creek Sub or Newcastle. Some have unloaded at Parkes Sub.
All these locations have pits to receive grain via rail. In the case of the Subs the grain is then distributed locally by road transport.
Loading to Moree Sub generally goes to feed lots in QLD Darling Downs area.
Loading to Allied and Westons is obviously for their flour mills.
One train had some wagons loaded to go to NAT at Carrington.

A train has also loaded in Western Victoria and split at Cootamundra with loading for Allied Maldon and the rest going to Parkes Sub.
SSR has also run a trial containerised grain train from SA to Narrabri.

It’s great to see a nimble rail operator like SSR thinking outside the square and showing the big boys how to get things done.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Informative post thanks so much.

We can now look forward to grain trains running further north into Queensland when inland rail is up and going. I assume there will be grain terminals connected to the inland SG route when it opens in Queensland ?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Informative post thanks so much.

We can now look forward to grain trains running further north into Queensland when inland rail is up and going. I assume there will be grain terminals connected to the inland SG route when it opens in Queensland ?
freightgate

Trucking for Moree to Queensland terminals should be substituted when Inland Rail is completed as trains from the south on SG will work into Queensland (Toowoomba?) for grain but I think in both directions as any grain outbound from southern Queensland could come south on SG to export or inland ports.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Informative post thanks so much.

We can now look forward to grain trains running further north into Queensland when inland rail is up and going. I assume there will be grain terminals connected to the inland SG route when it opens in Queensland ?
freightgate
That is a real possibility thing is which direction the line will take from North Star which has a large silo complex that has been built up over the years and taken the main harvest from the area, following the closure of the Boggabilla section.  That also has meant much of the top end of the golden triangle wheat belt has ended up going by road to Goondawindi and railed to Brisbane port for export.

The shortest route for the inland rail is to go over a new alignment to Yelarbon which is much in the news although two bridges over the twin rivers would be needed, baring in mind this is very flat country and many farmers are pointing out the flood plain aspect, and a reason for the Boggabilla sections closure was due to flood damage. Going through Boggabilla and then heading North East would likely require only one bridge.

Its going to be very interesting as to the final alignment being realised and what it can achieve.  Goondawindi has a huge silo complex but its on the western side of the town, and NG, a SG link to that could be something also considered in the future depending on the future of the line west of Goondiwindi.
  firefox Station Master

Informative post thanks so much.

We can now look forward to grain trains running further north into Queensland when inland rail is up and going. I assume there will be grain terminals connected to the inland SG route when it opens in Queensland ?
That is a real possibility thing is which direction the line will take from North Star which has a large silo complex that has been built up over the years and taken the main harvest from the area, following the closure of the Boggabilla section.  That also has meant much of the top end of the golden triangle wheat belt has ended up going by road to Goondawindi and railed to Brisbane port for export.

The shortest route for the inland rail is to go over a new alignment to Yelarbon which is much in the news although two bridges over the twin rivers would be needed, baring in mind this is very flat country and many farmers are pointing out the flood plain aspect, and a reason for the Boggabilla sections closure was due to flood damage. Going through Boggabilla and then heading North East would likely require only one bridge.

Its going to be very interesting as to the final alignment being realised and what it can achieve.  Goondawindi has a huge silo complex but its on the western side of the town, and NG, a SG link to that could be something also considered in the future depending on the future of the line west of Goondiwindi.
a6et
Dont forget that Inland Rail is planned to be dual gauge all the way from the Qld border to Acacia Ridge, so narrow gauge grainies can feed into it near Goondiwindi or Toowoomba and use the planned new Range Tunnel.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Informative post thanks so much.

We can now look forward to grain trains running further north into Queensland when inland rail is up and going. I assume there will be grain terminals connected to the inland SG route when it opens in Queensland ?
That is a real possibility thing is which direction the line will take from North Star which has a large silo complex that has been built up over the years and taken the main harvest from the area, following the closure of the Boggabilla section.  That also has meant much of the top end of the golden triangle wheat belt has ended up going by road to Goondawindi and railed to Brisbane port for export.
a6et

If I am right the Boggabilla section should become Standard gauge with the inland rail developments?

Adding to the context we might see otherwise closed lines under the Aurizon state wide collapse of freight non coal, reopened as SG letting other operators in on the back of Inland Rail?

Watch the number of businesses ask for SG extensions once inland is through converting from NG to SG for the benefit of customers.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Informative post thanks so much.

We can now look forward to grain trains running further north into Queensland when inland rail is up and going. I assume there will be grain terminals connected to the inland SG route when it opens in Queensland ?
That is a real possibility thing is which direction the line will take from North Star which has a large silo complex that has been built up over the years and taken the main harvest from the area, following the closure of the Boggabilla section.  That also has meant much of the top end of the golden triangle wheat belt has ended up going by road to Goondawindi and railed to Brisbane port for export.

If I am right the Boggabilla section should become Standard gauge with the inland rail developments?

Adding to the context we might see otherwise closed lines under the Aurizon state wide collapse of freight non coal, reopened as SG letting other operators in on the back of Inland Rail?

Watch the number of businesses ask for SG extensions once inland is through converting from NG to SG for the benefit of customers.
bevans
Boggabilla is already SG - just out of service due to volume.

I think there is a lot of water under the bridge to come as people start aligning themselves with the opportunities SG and the Inland will bring to SWQ.  Queensland hasnt turned its mind to what to do with its NG network with the Inland in place.

Local councils are starting to agitate for investment (eg increased TAL and standardisation, eg Goondiwindi) but the response from the Qld government is yet to come.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
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A train has also loaded in Western Victoria and split at Cootamundra with loading for Allied Maldon and the rest going to Parkes Sub.
SSR has also run a trial containerised grain train from SA to Narrabri.

It’s great to see a nimble rail operator like SSR thinking outside the square and showing the big boys how to get things done.
2LaGrange

Just a couple of corrections.

The train from Dimboola was split at Parkes not Coota. The grey rake was unloaded at Parkes sub and the red rake continued to Narrabri to be unloaded.

The containerised grain from SA (Bowmans) to Narrabri was operated by Bowmans Rail. SSR were only subcontracted to provide management and crewing of the train when in NSW.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


The containerised grain from SA (Bowmans) to Narrabri was operated by Bowmans Rail. SSR were only subcontracted to provide management and crewing of the train when in NSW.
bingley hall

Does the crew change occur at Broken Hill or elsewhere?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville


The containerised grain from SA (Bowmans) to Narrabri was operated by Bowmans Rail. SSR were only subcontracted to provide management and crewing of the train when in NSW.
Does the crew change occur at Broken Hill or elsewhere?
bevans

Broken Hill
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
A quick video of the grainie coming through Gerogery NSW on Wednesday 12 September 2018



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5cD9_I0YpY
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
found this today which is kind of cool.

https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1141

Also saw the same wagons in photos on the bunbury feed today.  That train west west to Dimboola?

The video also shows two c's at the back with the headline on high beam.  Standard operating procedure?

How do the locos at the back get controlled from the front locos?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Another 101 wagon train on its way to be loaded at Crystal Brook and Bowmans tomorrow and Thursday.

Meanwhile GWA are getting in on the act loading 50 at Tailem Bend today to go to NSW via Broken Hill later this week.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
2NR3 led by G514, C506, C510, C507, C505 passed Condobolin Sub at 07:43 E.S.T.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A G and 4 C's; now that would be a sight, and a sound!

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