Hello All,Probably half the reason it was dumped - "outperforming the commercial networks"...What other programs nationally on the ABC have suffered the same incredible vandalism we have seen with Red Symmons?The Checkout was dumped, despite regularly outperforming the commercial networks in its timeslot and providing informative programming well within the remit of the ABC's charter.
I'm a bit mixed in my thoughts about the ABC:
- It's more balanced than Fairfax (too left-wing), the Guardian (too Communist), SBS (too PC) & Murdoch (too populist right-wing).
- I enjoy its informative stuff (including some of the stuff on RN)
- But occasionally cringe-worthy and stupid (the slanderous and defamatory Tonightly program - gladly axed)
- Overpaid presenters ("some are more equal than others")
The fact that one may think the Fairfax Press is left wing does not mean that it is so, the more likely interpretation is that people who think it is, are far more right wing than they care to admit.Media bias is, like so many things in our lives, in the eye of the beholder.
Regards, Radioman
FYI, your reply was actually to Carnot. Please editI'm a bit mixed in my thoughts about the ABC:Hello All,
- It's more balanced than Fairfax (too left-wing), the Guardian (too Communist), SBS (too PC) & Murdoch (too populist right-wing).
- I enjoy its informative stuff (including some of the stuff on RN)
- But occasionally cringe-worthy and stupid (the slanderous and defamatory Tonightly program - gladly axed)
- Overpaid presenters ("some are more equal than others")
with respect , " Justapassenger" (should read Carnot), has no idea as to the broad political slant of Australia's media.
Everyone has an opinion about what the ABC should be. Some think it should be more pro-business. Others more targeted at rural communities. Others more serious and sober in its online presence. But one thing that no one wants the ABC to be is a propaganda organ for the Federal government.
That is why the email in which ABC chairman Justin Milne demanded ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie sack an ABC journalist for an unfavourable political story is a threat to democratic debate for which Mr Milne must either offer an explanation or resign.
The Herald revealed on Tuesday that Mr Milne had written an email to ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie telling her to "get rid of" Emma Alberici, ABC chief economic correspondent, for an article which cast doubt on the benefits of the Federal government's now abandoned plan for corporate tax cuts.
Source: The Age
Hello All,FYI, your reply was actually to Carnot. Please editI'm a bit mixed in my thoughts about the ABC:Hello All,
- It's more balanced than Fairfax (too left-wing), the Guardian (too Communist), SBS (too PC) & Murdoch (too populist right-wing).
- I enjoy its informative stuff (including some of the stuff on RN)
- But occasionally cringe-worthy and stupid (the slanderous and defamatory Tonightly program - gladly axed)
- Overpaid presenters ("some are more equal than others")
with respect , " Justapassenger" (should read Carnot), has no idea as to the broad political slant of Australia's media.
I made no political comment in either of my posts on this thread.
Why was she appointed in the first place? Absolutely no media experience whatsoever.Indeed.In all honesty though - was Guthrie pushed out because she was formerly employed by the Murdoch empire? ie Fell foul of the 'luvvies'?Oh rubbish!
If that was an issue, she would never have been appointed in the first place.
Who would you prefer Hadley or Jones or god forgive that South African fascist windbag on Sky?Sounds like a Class struggle has been raging at the ABC of late... There was much gnashing of teeth with Germaine Greer making an appearance on QandA last week (and I no longer watch that show anymore because of Tony Jones - ugh)How would feel about Marxists Bagging the PC's? (Hint: the Class struggle is more important than Identity politics)
Anyway, The ABC has Long lost its mainstream Audience. The 12+ and under 35s I am referring to. Most of that age group IIRC that watched the ABC, tuned to ABC 2 for the Louis Theroux Doco's And The Now Defunct Good Game (Guess why). The Abc is generally Failing to reach the youth market as the majority of people in that age group don't give 2 smegs for politics and Dr Who.
Radioman hit the nail on the head with his very thoughtful reply.Hello All,Probably half the reason it was dumped - "outperforming the commercial networks"...What other programs nationally on the ABC have suffered the same incredible vandalism we have seen with Red Symmons?The Checkout was dumped, despite regularly outperforming the commercial networks in its timeslot and providing informative programming well within the remit of the ABC's charter.
I'm a bit mixed in my thoughts about the ABC:
- It's more balanced than Fairfax (too left-wing), the Guardian (too Communist), SBS (too PC) & Murdoch (too populist right-wing).
- I enjoy its informative stuff (including some of the stuff on RN)
- But occasionally cringe-worthy and stupid (the slanderous and defamatory Tonightly program - gladly axed)
- Overpaid presenters ("some are more equal than others")
with respect , "Carnot" , has no idea as to the broad political slant of Australia's media.
The "Guardian" is in no way a Communist newspaper, neither is the Fairfax Press ( The Age / SMH etc ) a left wing paper.
The Socialist Alternative's "Red Flag" and "Marxist left Review" are both Marxist-Leninist newspapers , which therefore makes the "Guardian" a centrist newspaper , as is the ABC and SBS ( which was the Federal Parliament's intention ), therefore the Fairfax Press is right of centre , which puts the Murdoch media to the right of Fairfax.
Also bear in mind we do not have a newspaper that is to the left of the "Guardian" and also to the right of "Red Flag". We also have not had an ALP aligned radio station since the demise of 2KY and 3KZ as Trade Union / ALP enterprises.
The fact that one may think the Fairfax Press is left wing does not mean that it is so, the more likely interpretation is that people who think it is, are far more right wing than they care to admit.
Regards, Radioman
I can't stand those 'pundits' either most of the time. But if the right are pushed aside by much of the media, they'll pop up somewhere else and be weaponized in their rhetoric. Reactionaries and a collapse of civil dialogue everywhere....Who would you prefer Hadley or Jones or god forgive that South African fascist windbag on Sky?Sounds like a Class struggle has been raging at the ABC of late... There was much gnashing of teeth with Germaine Greer making an appearance on QandA last week (and I no longer watch that show anymore because of Tony Jones - ugh)How would feel about Marxists Bagging the PC's? (Hint: the Class struggle is more important than Identity politics)
Anyway, The ABC has Long lost its mainstream Audience. The 12+ and under 35s I am referring to. Most of that age group IIRC that watched the ABC, tuned to ABC 2 for the Louis Theroux Doco's And The Now Defunct Good Game (Guess why). The Abc is generally Failing to reach the youth market as the majority of people in that age group don't give 2 smegs for politics and Dr Who.
Anyway, Milne is GONE:And the Ultimo Echochamber has gone into overdrive. Pretty much the entire 30 minutes of The World Today was dedicated to the ABC talking about itself and Faino had a pretty good crack at it from what I hear.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-27/abc-chairman-justin-milne-resigns/10311472
They really do have an over-inflated view of themselves. A bunch of virtue-signalling narcissists they are....Anyway, Milne is GONE:And the Ultimo Echochamber has gone into overdrive. Pretty much the entire 30 minutes of The World Today was dedicated to the ABC talking about itself and Faino had a pretty good crack at it from what I hear.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-27/abc-chairman-justin-milne-resigns/10311472
BG
The man is a disgrace.
Please permit me to say one last thing about him, based on my experience in corporate Australia and in doing so experiencing such disgraceful corruption in this country including at the higher levels at ASIC, it is my view the government (who thinks we are so stupid) wanted to control the ABC the same way Fairfax media and News are controlled.
Believe me, it is happening. I know journalists I have been working with over time who have been threatened to stop writing about corruption in this country.
Why has the whistleblower legislation (2018) not yet been passed in parliament which would provide the ability for other people in the ABC to make a protected disclosure on what is really going on there.
If you speaking of narcissists you cannot go past that bunch of right wing wind bags that inhabit 2GB and Sky. I don't think you can recognise quality when you see it. I was speaking to an American guy who works for the ABC Washington DC bureau in a technical role and he is of the opinion the ABC (not the US one) is one of the finest broadcasters in the world. He also wished the USA had comparable broadcaster. This guy was no left wing luvvie as you like calling them.They really do have an over-inflated view of themselves. A bunch of virtue-signalling narcissists they are....Anyway, Milne is GONE:And the Ultimo Echochamber has gone into overdrive. Pretty much the entire 30 minutes of The World Today was dedicated to the ABC talking about itself and Faino had a pretty good crack at it from what I hear.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-27/abc-chairman-justin-milne-resigns/10311472
BG
Hold your horses.... I said that the ABC were more balanced than most of the media. And most of the media, including the ABC, have an over-inflated view of themselves. Sensitive much.If you speaking of narcissists you cannot go past that bunch of right wing wind bags that inhabit 2GB and Sky. I don't think you can recognise quality when you see it. I was speaking to an American guy who works for the ABC Washington DC bureau in a technical role and he is of the opinion the ABC (not the US one) is one of the finest broadcasters in the world. He also wished the USA had comparable broadcaster. This guy was no left wing luvvie as you like calling them.They really do have an over-inflated view of themselves. A bunch of virtue-signalling narcissists they are....Anyway, Milne is GONE:And the Ultimo Echochamber has gone into overdrive. Pretty much the entire 30 minutes of The World Today was dedicated to the ABC talking about itself and Faino had a pretty good crack at it from what I hear.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-27/abc-chairman-justin-milne-resigns/10311472
BG
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