50 level crossings to be removed

 
  megahertz Station Staff

Whats wrong with sky rail?  It looks cool, noise isn't much of an issue I don't think as long as they do something for noise.
There is nothing wrong with it to any rational person. The Liberal Party, though, has successfully convinced a few gullible NIMBYs that it's the end of human civilisation, and provides them with a platform to constantly and loudly criticise it.

They deserve to all have their homes acquired below market price for an enormous, quad-track trench, quite frankly.
@PIMM I prefer the great conspiracy theory, like the James Bond movie trying to crack the San Andreas fault.

All the land west of the trench sinks into the bay, and all the houses in Station St become waterfront properties.

A real estate bonanza. it is no longer NIMBY - it is YIMFY (yes in my front yard)
Sorry about the sunken houses - blame God, then insurance won't pay.

cheers
John
I think you're looking for a cross between "A View to a Kill" and "10.5".
TheMeddlingMonk
Actually that is roughly the plot of the 1978 Superman movie (Christopher Reeve version).

Does not Lex Luthor have his evil lair in an abandoned subway? Oh my god, it is all true! A rail-based property development conspiracy! Call the Herald Sun!

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  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Many Coburg and Preston residents might not be happy.  Quite a risky pre-election strategy by Andrews.  Independents or Greens will use it as an opportunity...
Carnot

Well....  firstly, I'm still yet to be convinced how many people *really* get up in arms about skyrail.  It's good for making noise, which could derail a marginal seat like Mordialloc, but as an issue overall, it's been so heavily astroturfed that it's hard to tell how much is legitimate grievance of locals.  

Regards the Greens, TBH I haven't seen any Greens policy regarding whether they're for or against Skyrail as a concept.

Maybe a charismatic independent could exploit it - local councillor Richard Lawrence is standing as an independent in the state seat of Essendon, at least partly on the basis of having been a vocal opponent of the Buckley Street road-under removal.  But I doubt he'll trouble the Labor vote there too much - the suburb of Essendon itself tends to vote about 50-50 Labor vs Liberals, but the rest of the seat is deep deep red, with a side serve of green.

Haven't seen any independents nominate for seats like Preston, and they run about 75% ALP anyway.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Many Coburg and Preston residents might not be happy.  Quite a risky pre-election strategy by Andrews.  Independents or Greens will use it as an opportunity...

Well....  firstly, I'm still yet to be convinced how many people *really* get up in arms about skyrail.  It's good for making noise, which could derail a marginal seat like Mordialloc, but as an issue overall, it's been so heavily astroturfed that it's hard to tell how much is legitimate grievance of locals.  

Regards the Greens, TBH I haven't seen any Greens policy regarding whether they're for or against Skyrail as a concept.

Maybe a charismatic independent could exploit it - local councillor Richard Lawrence is standing as an independent in the state seat of Essendon, at least partly on the basis of having been a vocal opponent of the Buckley Street road-under removal.  But I doubt he'll trouble the Labor vote there too much - the suburb of Essendon itself tends to vote about 50-50 Labor vs Liberals, but the rest of the seat is deep deep red, with a side serve of green.

Haven't seen any independents nominate for seats like Preston, and they run about 75% ALP anyway.
Adogs
There are two Darebin councillors who have nominated for Preston.  Sue Newton is Greens, the other is Independent candidate Gaetano Greco who polled 11% in the 2014 State election.

The Suburb of Coburg has thrown up its good share of high-profile independent pollies over the years (i.e Jack Mutton in the 1970s, Phil Cleary - Fed parliament in the 1990s).
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Well....  firstly, I'm still yet to be convinced how many people *really* get up in arms about skyrail.  It's good for making noise, which could derail a marginal seat like Mordialloc, but as an issue overall, it's been so heavily astroturfed that it's hard to tell how much is legitimate grievance of locals.  
Adogs
Whenever any sort of change is proposed within a community, there is going to be a roughly 20-30% minority who will oppose the change and will never ever change their mind. What the Liberals did with NoSkyRail was to weaponise that minority, with a little bit of help from their friends at a certain newspaper.

By the time that the 2022 state election rolls around there won't be any opposition in the relevant state seats.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Many Coburg and Preston residents might not be happy.  Quite a risky pre-election strategy by Andrews.  Independents or Greens will use it as an opportunity...

Well....  firstly, I'm still yet to be convinced how many people *really* get up in arms about skyrail.  It's good for making noise, which could derail a marginal seat like Mordialloc, but as an issue overall, it's been so heavily astroturfed that it's hard to tell how much is legitimate grievance of locals.  

Regards the Greens, TBH I haven't seen any Greens policy regarding whether they're for or against Skyrail as a concept.

Maybe a charismatic independent could exploit it - local councillor Richard Lawrence is standing as an independent in the state seat of Essendon, at least partly on the basis of having been a vocal opponent of the Buckley Street road-under removal.  But I doubt he'll trouble the Labor vote there too much - the suburb of Essendon itself tends to vote about 50-50 Labor vs Liberals, but the rest of the seat is deep deep red, with a side serve of green.

Haven't seen any independents nominate for seats like Preston, and they run about 75% ALP anyway.
There are two Darebin councillors who have nominated for Preston.  Sue Newton is Greens, the other is Independent candidate Gaetano Greco who polled 11% in the 2014 State election.

The Suburb of Coburg has thrown up its good share of high-profile independent pollies over the years (i.e Jack Mutton in the 1970s, Phil Cleary - Fed parliament in the 1990s).
Carnot

I had seen Sue Newton was running for the Greens again, but hadn't seen that Greco had confirmed.

Still though, the ALP were very nearly 50% on first prefs alone last time.  As far as I can tell from the numbers, for them to get knocked off it would almost certainly require Newton or Greco to overtake the Lib candidate for second place, then get literally every one of the Lib prefs against Labor.  Not impossible, but not likely at this point.

Also relevant to the upcoming 2018 though - Prahran polling this week suggests Hibbins from the Greens will lose it, but probably to Labor rather than the Libs.  

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/labor-on-track-to-ride-to-victory-in-prahran-after-bike-lane-pledge-20181023-p50bgj.html
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Have seen people digging a few holes and some workers around Brighton Beach Station/South Rd LX in the last week. With no track work taking place there and a new substation being built at Sandringham by the looks of it, what the bloody hell are they doing down there.

Might be part of the 75 .....
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
With the two LX at either end of Cheltenham going rail under and the station being rebuilt, any chance they do some future planning for connecting to SRL while they're at it?

Like pre-dig a big cavern underneath the new trench so future digging could start up quickly? Laughing
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
With the two LX at either end of Cheltenham going rail under and the station being rebuilt, any chance they do some future planning for connecting to SRL while they're at it?

Like pre-dig a big cavern underneath the new trench so future digging could start up quickly? Laughing
LeroyW

That would require a lot more detailed SRL planning than has been done to date.  
Digging a big hole without having the every detail planned out could end up hindering more than helping later on.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Have seen people digging a few holes and some workers around Brighton Beach Station/South Rd LX in the last week. With no track work taking place there and a new substation being built at Sandringham by the looks of it, what the bloody hell are they doing down there.

Might be part of the 75 .....
ptvcommuter
They might be getting ready to upgrade the signalling around Brighton Beach.  I believe that as part of Melbourne Metro projects, Brighton Beach is one of the stations marked for upgrades like reactivating Platform 1 so that services can start and end at Brighton Beach.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Have seen people digging a few holes and some workers around Brighton Beach Station/South Rd LX in the last week. With no track work taking place there and a new substation being built at Sandringham by the looks of it, what the bloody hell are they doing down there.

Might be part of the 75 .....
They might be getting ready to upgrade the signalling around Brighton Beach.  I believe that as part of Melbourne Metro projects, Brighton Beach is one of the stations marked for upgrades like reactivating Platform 1 so that services can start and end at Brighton Beach.
jdekorte
Has platform 1 had any use since it was used for Comeng refurb work some years back?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner


Excellent news.

It does suggest, however, that corridor amplification has been plonked in the too hard basket for the next decade.
  slowcoach Locomotive Driver

Here are the next 25 level crossings on the hit list after the first 50 are removed. Note: Only 18 of the 25 have been announced so far.
Frankston Line
- Glenhuntly Rd, Glenhuntly
- Neerim Rd, Glenhuntly
- Argyle Ave, Chelsea
- Chelsea Rd, Chelsea
- Swanpool Ave, Chelsea

Belgrave/Lilydale Line
- Union Rd, Surrey Hills
- Mont Albert Rd, Mont Albert

Upfield Line
- Munro St, Coburg
- Reynard St, Coburg

Mernda Line
- Oakover Rd, Preston
- Cramer St, Preston
- Muarry Rd, Preston

Sunbury Line
- Gap Rd / Station St, Sunbury

Werribee Line
- Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers Crossing

Pakenham Line (Update)
- Cardinia Rd, Pakenham
- McGregor Rd, Pakeham
- Main St, Pakenham
- Racecourse Rd, Pakenham
  slowcoach Locomotive Driver

I read the media release so I'll update the list with the preferred method.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/only-labor-will-remove-75-dangerous-and-congested-level-crossings-by-2025/

75 level crossings removed by 2025, finished at the same time as the metro tunnel.

Frankston Line
- Glenhuntly Rd, Glenhuntly (rail under)
- Neerim Rd, Glenhuntly (rail under)

- Argyle Ave, Chelsea (rail under)
- Chelsea Rd, Chelsea (rail under)
- Swanpool Ave, Chelsea (rail under)

Will be done at same time as the one at Bonbeach and Edithvale as rail under solutions.
Removing all 5 together as one package of works. Clever.

Belgrave/Lilydale Line
- Union Rd, Surrey Hills (rail under)
- Mont Albert Rd, Mont Albert (rail under)

Upfield Line
- Munro St, Coburg (rail over)
- Reynard St, Coburg (rail over)

Will be done at same time as Moreland road and Bell street (Upfield line) as one elevated structure
Removing all 4 together as one package of works. Very clever.

Mernda Line
- Oakover Rd, Preston (rail over)
- Cramer St, Preston (rail over)
- Murray Rd, Preston (rail over)

Will be done at same time as Bell street (Mernda line) as one elevated structure
Removing all 4 together as one package of works. Also very clever.

Sunbury Line
- Gap Rd / Station St, Sunbury (road under)

Werribee Line
Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers Crossing (road over)

Hope they can co-ordinate this one with the other 2 sites at Werribee.
True Believers
Pakenham Line
- Cardinia Rd, Pakenham (Road over)
- Mcgregor Rd, Pakenham (Rail over)
- Main St, Pakenham (Rail over)
- Racecourse Rd, Pakenham (Rail over)
+ 3rd platform for new Pakenham station & demolishing adjacent sidings
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
It's a shame that they didn't raise Cardina Road when they duplicated it three years ago.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Great news to remove the Pakenham level crossings and replace the current Pakenham station that is one of the shabbiest looking on the network.

However, a little bit of forward planning would have meant that the extensive sleeper, overhead and signalling replacement currently being installed in the area (that other locations on the network are crying out for) would not have to be ripped out in a few years time. Given that a huge new depot is being constructed just a few kilometres down the line, it would have been logical to do this project at the same time. Once again commuters will have to endure more months of bustitutions to replace brand new infrastructure with taxpayers copping the bill.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
3rd platform at Pakenham will cater for the eventual Gippsland shuttles.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Unfortunately.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
3rd platform at Pakenham will cater for the eventual Gippsland shuttles.
DirtyBallast
A third  platform Is much needed for current train services.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The Opposition have announced they will also remove those same level crossings in Pakenham, but instead with a rail under (trench) option.

This may prove as some form of litmus test to see whether the voting public are as concerned about 'skyrail' as the Herald Sun, Neil Mitchell and the Liberal party would like us all to think they are.

Last time the Hun & Neil Mitchell sided with an issue like this was the East-West link, and history shows they backed the wrong horse.


Then again, maybe a large number of voters are more complex than the politicians & media would like to think, and maybe they cast their vote on a much broader raft of policies and principals.
  bisnana Station Staff

According to the LNP's press release they're not going to separate Cardinia Rd, which seems like an oversight really. I'm also interested to see how they would "account for the future provision" of regional tracks for V/Line in a trench considering we haven't heard any other details about that plan. Additionally, I think I read somewhere that the train line runs straight through a floodplain along that area - if the line is trenched I wonder how well the HCMTs can swim.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I still hope the ultimate aim of the level crossing removal program, together with the no new level crossings program, is to remove every level crossing that can be grade separated, and even close every other level crossing where road traffic is light enough and there is an alternative grade separated route.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

According to the LNP's press release they're not going to separate Cardinia Rd, which seems like an oversight really. I'm also interested to see how they would "account for the future provision" of regional tracks for V/Line in a trench considering we haven't heard any other details about that plan. Additionally, I think I read somewhere that the train line runs straight through a floodplain along that area - if the line is trenched I wonder how well the HCMTs can swim.
bisnana
Stop assuming this is actual policy-making - it's not. It's petty political "I don't like bridges"-ism, and why that's a legitimate path for the Liberal Party is a mystery beyond my knowing.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Stop assuming this is actual policy-making - it's not. It's petty political "I don't like bridges"-ism, and why that's a legitimate path for the Liberal Party is a mystery beyond my knowing.
potatoinmymouth
Agreed. They literally need to build a bridge and get over it. I can't believe that they make up all this fuss about Skyrail, yet have you seen the East West link interchange? Those awful elevated roads will ruin the serene wetlands of Parkville. Furthermore, all of these underground solution will cost far more, leading to less progress (if the Liberals will even bother to remove them anyway).
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Skyrail vs. trenches.

Skyrail may well be a cheap and nasty way to achieve grade separation, but the disruption to existing services during the construction period is minimal, and benefits to the local community are enabled afterwards.

Can a Liberal sympathiser or stooge please tell me how long the Pakenham line will be out of action for when the three level crossings to be removed under their trench plan enters the construction phase?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Skyrail may well be a cheap and nasty way to achieve grade separation, but the disruption to existing services during the construction period is minimal, and benefits to the local community are enabled afterwards.

Can a Liberal sympathiser or stooge please tell me how long the Pakenham line will be out of action for when the three level crossings to be removed under their trench plan enters the construction phase?
DirtyBallast


I tried (foolishly) to have this argument with the No Skyrail crowd on Twitter once.

They compared the aggregate shutdowns for CD9 Skyrail (including HCMT shutdowns) to solely the headline shutdown for one of the 2010-2014 Liberal removals (I should remember which one; there aren’t many). When I pointed this out to them politely I was accused of being a Labor stooge.

Which is ironic.

Point is, convincing these people Skyrail is good for them will only happen when Neil Mitchell decides he wants one.

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