Trains and tracks

 

News article: Trains and tracks

A couple of early morning runs to Melbourne for the Cruise Express people.

  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
For those interested there were 3 large cruise ships in Melbourne over the Spring Racing Carnival from Weekend through to Wednesday (may still be there) plus the Spirit of Tasmania was also in the Dock.

The 3 cruise ships comprised a very large Carnival Line ship and two slightly smaller P&O Line cruising ships.

Am I right in suggesting the train came to meet these ships?

Trains and tracks

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

For those interested there were 3 large cruise ships in Melbourne over the Spring Racing Carnival from Weekend through to Wednesday (may still be there) plus the Spirit of Tasmania was also in the Dock.

The 3 cruise ships comprised a very large Carnival Line ship and two slightly smaller P&O Line cruising ships.

Am I right in suggesting the train came to meet these ships?

Trains and tracks
x31

I didn't realise the train went to the Melbourne docks any more. I thought it was now a tram line.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Closet rail station probably southern cross ?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
' .......... there were 3 large cruise ships in Melbourne over the Spring Racing Carnival ...... '

The following cruise vessels were in Melbourne on Cup Day for varying periods:

  1. Pacific Eden at Inner West, Station Pier
  2. Pacific Explorer at Outer West, Station Pier
  3. Carnival Spirit at Outer East, Station Pier
  4. Pacific Dawn was in the River at what little remains of Victoria Dock


There are only trams to Port Melbourne these days and they do not run onto Station Pier the way that trains previously did from time to time.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
' .......... there were 3 large cruise ships in Melbourne over the Spring Racing Carnival ...... '
The following cruise vessels were in Melbourne on Cup Day for varying periods:

  1. Pacific Eden at Inner West, Station Pier
  2. Pacific Explorer at Outer West, Station Pier
  3. Carnival Spirit at Outer East, Station Pier
  4. Pacific Dawn was in the River at what little remains of Victoria Dock


There are only trams to Port Melbourne these days and they do not run onto Station Pier the way that trains previously did from time to time.
YM-Mundrabilla
Should dock at the Maribyrnong racecourse landing. Don't need a train at all.

cheers
John
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
That landing is very small.

Where is Victoria dock ?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
' .......... there were 3 large cruise ships in Melbourne over the Spring Racing Carnival ...... '
The following cruise vessels were in Melbourne on Cup Day for varying periods:

  1. Pacific Eden at Inner West, Station Pier
  2. Pacific Explorer at Outer West, Station Pier
  3. Carnival Spirit at Outer East, Station Pier
  4. Pacific Dawn was in the River at what little remains of Victoria Dock


There are only trams to Port Melbourne these days and they do not run onto Station Pier the way that trains previously did from time to time.
Should dock at the Maribyrnong racecourse landing. Don't need a train at all.

cheers
John
justarider
Careful now, lest some large Company send an 'unsolicited proposal' to the Government.

Let's see, 3 road and 2 rail bridges to be converted to lift spans (raising the rail bridges higher will need extensive zig zags on either side, not to mention relocation of the Bunbury Street Railcams), dredging of the Maribyrnong River, new wharf and a Turning Basin at Flemington - should cost the taxpayers a motza - for just one day of use each year.

Not to mention the crowds lining the river bank to see the vessel pass - charge each $10 or more!!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
That landing is very small.

Where is Victoria dock ?
freightgate
Victoria Dock (the single berth remaining of the once great Melbourne Victoria Dock) is on north side (RH side heading downstream) of the Yarra River just downstream from the Bolte Bridge.

Each Cup Day for some years a cruise ship docks there as there is nowhere else if the 3 available berths at Station Pier are occupied. Inner East at Station Pier is the terminal for the Spirits of Tasmania 1 and 2 so is not available for cruise boats.

The attached map might help.



I have a number of photos of cruise ships at Victoria Dock over the years but cannot post them here.

Victoria Dock is limited to the 'smaller' cruise vessels due to clearance under the Westgate Bridge but would really be the pits to cruise passengers I imagine.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
' .......... there were 3 large cruise ships in Melbourne over the Spring Racing Carnival ...... '
The following cruise vessels were in Melbourne on Cup Day for varying periods:

  1. Pacific Eden at Inner West, Station Pier
  2. Pacific Explorer at Outer West, Station Pier
  3. Carnival Spirit at Outer East, Station Pier
  4. Pacific Dawn was in the River at what little remains of Victoria Dock


There are only trams to Port Melbourne these days and they do not run onto Station Pier the way that trains previously did from time to time.
Should dock at the Maribyrnong racecourse landing. Don't need a train at all.

cheers
John
Careful now, lest some large Company send an 'unsolicited proposal' to the Government.

Let's see, 3 road and 2 rail bridges to be converted to lift spans (raising the rail bridges higher will need extensive zig zags on either side, not to mention relocation of the Bunbury Street Railcams), dredging of the Maribyrnong River, new wharf and a Turning Basin at Flemington - should cost the taxpayers a motza - for just one day of use each year.

Not to mention the crowds lining the river bank to see the vessel pass - charge each $10 or more!!
mikesyd
You forgot:

  • The Westgate Bridge will need to be demolished to allow sufficient height clearance for the floating multi storey blocks of flats enroute to Flemington.
  • Demolition of the old Stock Bridge just downstream from Smithfield Road which I use regularly on my bike so I claim NIMBY status.
  • We could, of course, dredge the Maribyrnong deeper to provide the required overhead clearance as was proposed by some clever dick years ago to increase headroom at another bridge (Spencer Street IIRC). I thought at the time that this was stoopid idea but failed to take into account the submersible cruise ships being proposed for this once a year service. It was a stoopid idea as I have just broken into the brand new Westgate Tunnel with my dredge.
  • It will be necessary to excavate Footscray Park (Scotchman's Hill) to provide the swinging basin proposed thereby depriving the Workers of a free view of the Cup.
  • Probably a few other minor difficulties to be encountered as we go along.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Closet rail station probably southern cross ?
freightgate
They put it in a closet?? Shocked
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Victoria Dock - A P&O media release from 2015:

https://www.pocruises.com.au/media-releases/2015/2015-october-23


(Not sure about the West Gate Bridge 'experience'; only a PR person would highlight such.)
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Sickening SPIN. Rolling Eyes
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

PTV seems to be promoting shuttle buses for cruise ship passengers, except when it can’t be bothered providing them. A 560-metre walk to the tram, which may not be acceptable to some, eg the elderly.

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/news-and-events/events/public-transport-during-the-2018-2019-cruise-ship-season/

This only applies to Station Pier, hence no mention of the Pacific Dawn.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Should dock at the Maribyrnong racecourse landing. Don't need a train at all.

cheers
John
Careful now, lest some large Company send an 'unsolicited proposal' to the Government.

Let's see, 3 road and 2 rail bridges to be converted to lift spans (....
You forgot:

  • The Westgate Bridge
  • Demolition of the old Stock Bridge
  • We could, of course, dredge the Maribyrnong deeper
  • It will be necessary to excavate Footscray Park
  • Probably a few other minor difficulties to be encountered as we go along.
YM-Mundrabilla
sheessh guys, it's a joke. Some readers might think you are serious.

The real joke is the PTV page. As if cruise passengers would bother to use PT.

Like every other port they visit, cruise ships make their own arrangements. In this case arranged tours direct to the races, and shopping excursions.
P&O Cruises’ punters will enjoy shore tours and special racing activity including an exclusive behind the scenes tour of Flemington, tickets to the official Cup brunch and shopping excursions to pick up any last-minute accessories as well as having transfers and entry to Flemington on Cup day included in their cruise fare.
P&O Media Release

It is actually possible for the ship at Victoria Dock to use the Racecourse landing. Just lower their shuttle boats and go up river.
Cruise Ships do it all the time for ports where they are too big to berth.
Whether Port of Melbourne would permit that to happen is another matter.

For passengers that want to go to the city instead of the races (why did they bother picking that particular cruise),
then Taxi and Uber drivers make a packet. Like the Airport at rush hour.

cheers
John
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I always thought that P & O meant a charge account at a public toilet.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

A 2014 article:
http://australia.etbtravelnews.global/232289/three-cruise-ships-melbournes-station-pier/

At about 50 seats a coach, 130 would have a capacity of 6500. Hard to believe all 6000 wanted to go to The Cup. When a ship is docked, you’ll see some passengers arriving by tram, with their suitcases, to start their cruise (with a 560-metre trek) or others heading off into the city, obviously not part of an organised tour.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
PTV seems to be promoting shuttle buses for cruise ship passengers, except when it can’t be bothered providing them. A 560-metre walk to the tram, which may not be acceptable to some, eg the elderly.

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/news-and-events/events/public-transport-during-the-2018-2019-cruise-ship-season/

This only applies to Station Pier, hence no mention of the Pacific Dawn.
kitchgp
I was on the Pacific Eden with my parents in August off Cairns to PNG and beyond.

While its full of oldies, you need a certain level of physical capability on that boat. On the cruise the only full access port was PNG and for some they have buses to the jetty. Rest you needed to be able to walk and use stairs.

Going under bridges on a cruise ship is rare. My parents are cruise ship regulars and never done it. So some spin yes, but they are not wrong.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
"The real joke is the PTV page. As if cruise passengers would bother to use PT."
Here in Dunedin where the Port is 13 km from the city, special buses are provided from on the wharf to the city centre. The fare varies with the shipping company but is probably NZ$20 to 25 return yet passengers queue to board the half hourly bus service leaving outside the wharf and terminating at the supermarket several blocks from the city centre.  This means the OAP are left standing at the stops towards the city as full buses hurtle past yet some on Tripadvisor have objected to my requesting they not use the public buses.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The trains mentioned in the article attached to the Opening Post of this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the Melbourne Cup.

This article is a blog post from the SRHC, and is referring to some early morning chartered runs SRHC did for a mob called "Cruise Express". These trips ran from Seymour to Southern Cross in the early hours, then ran back North, departing Southern Cross with passengers on board before 6AM.

They did not specifically run on Cup Weekend and were not for race-goers. In fact, I'm pretty sure that blog post pre-dates Cup Weekend.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The trains mentioned in the article attached to the Opening Post of this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the Melbourne Cup.

This article is a blog post from the SRHC, and is referring to some early morning chartered runs SRHC did for a mob called "Cruise Express". These trips ran from Seymour to Southern Cross in the early hours, then ran back North, departing Southern Cross with passengers on board before 6AM.

They did not specifically run on Cup Weekend and were not for race-goers. In fact, I'm pretty sure that blog post pre-dates Cup Weekend.
Gman_86
I didn't even look at the link until now.

The linked article has nothing to do with Melbourne Cup Day - it refers to the trip a couple of months ago.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2114600.htm

Or did SHRC run some trips from Seymour to Melbourne for the Cup? Either way, nothing to do with Cruise Ships.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
The linked article has nothing to do with Melbourne Cup Day - it refers to the trip a couple of months ago.
mikesyd
The linked article doesn't even mention 3 cruise ships. What on earth is @x31 on about in his comment?

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