So it's the 80 class , product page already up . http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/80%20Class%20Locomotive.htm

I wonder why they aren't doing 8005 and 8050 in PN colours with large side numbers?

Austrains missed that one also.

8050 was the yard shunter at Keswick in that livery for several years.
It was one of the few upgraded for main line use in PN livery.
It spent some time on Canberra oil trains.

The others were exclusively yard shunters.

Peter

Both 8005/8050 are fitted with ditch lights, so would be an expensive addition (tooling + electrics). Auscision have said previously that they only intend on producing models with limited body versions in the future to save on time/cost. I'd say that is also why there is no Coote/Greentrains/QUBE models offered yet either.

What I've heard recently is that the Auscision 80 class is perhaps *mostly* comprised of the OTM 80 class project.

LOL, tell us another one.

Paul

It is not unheard of though as the ex Shrike C30t is now on sale by Wombat Models and numerous other models from other manufacturers are now being touted or sold by another manufacturer so it is not entirely impossible. Could be a fair stretch of the imagination or it could save a few dollars for all parties.

What I've heard recently is that the Auscision 80 class is perhaps *mostly* comprised of the OTM 80 class project.

Well, what you've heard recently is incorrect then.

"Don't buy another 80 class until you see our 80 class"...

The Australian model industry is too small for this sort of thing.

Are you kidding Rod ? Prices are cheaper than in the past especially for the quality of models on offer.
Their reruns are cheaper too, for example 73 is $255 and 422 $275 hardly what I would call gouging or ripping us off.

They also offer factory sound for $100 which is a great price.

I think it’s more like if you snooze you loose. Procrastinating for 3 years no order forms or samples shown can’t really blame Auscision for filling a demand in the market and taking an opportunity they saw. They run a business not a benevolent society. Also doesn’t collusion and price fixing upset the ACCC. It would be a breach of the trade practices act to so wouldn’t it ?

Ontrack with the 80 just like Austrains with the flat top T class got caught telling porkys when it comes to having tooled the loco when in fact they obviously hadn’t.

There is no way Austrains would have dropped the T class or Ontrack the 80 class if they had invested upwards of 100k or more on tooling. It’s a runaway train so to speak. You keep going you don’t drop a project you have tooled. So obviously Ontrack had not tooled the 80 class yet, they had drawings and quotes but no way they had started tooling.

I am sorry old mate, but you didn't understand the business process I was on about.

But first, from the early fantastic plastic days, the importers used to tell us the first run paid all the bills and gave a return (thus no shops involved)  The second run was the icing, all overheads covered by first run, now they just paid for the run. Thus shops could be involved (and although they never said so, discounts could be offered, say at Exhibitions.)

Now a would be monopoly uses their enormous power to discount and cut people out in the first place, then when they own the market, they can make the profits they think they deserve. Just modern business I am afraid.  The Austrains T, The Traino 48 and now the On Track 80 Class all fell by the side of the line... so just saying. Don't you think On Track will be bleeding after the factory stitched them, and now their model has to cancel,
Imagine if you owned the market, you would get a bit greedy too, wouldn't you?   Not saying it is a bad thing, for them, but it could hurt us outside.
My reference to the delivery date was just because I will be interested when  they actually go on sale. Perhaps On Track should secretly keep their model going and still be first out. The On Track 80 would certainly  be a good piece of kit, if it is as good as the Sprinter.

By the way who got the Victorian D3 Steamer?  Another cancelled project...

Cheers
Rod

Sorry Rod but I understand completely what you are saying it’s just that I don’t believe anything you say.
If you said it was raining I would go outside to check.
Your argument doesn’t stand up, Auscision always offer their first production run at wholesale to retailers after delivery so the first run may well not pay for tooling and production run. They stated that production costs go up every year and in the case of 73 and 422 there were tooling changes and redesigns for DCC and Sound versions but price has been kept to same as first run.

The Auscision 48 was 4th on the market if you include the Trax 48 so hardly predatory and they had to sell them cheap and add Dcc with sound to generate sales.

I think you just don’t like Auscision and their younger crew. It’s the old Aussie Tall Poppy Syndrome. It seems you just can’t stand to see them do well in the market.
They strive to be the market leader producing the highest quality models and what’s wrong with that ?

There is more competition out there now than there ever has been, 20 years ago there was Lima and Trax/Powerlines and that was it plus brass kits etc and we have never had it so good. Auscision,SDS,Austrains,SRM,Trainorama,Ontrack,Eureka and Wombat all producing locos.

Sorry Rod but I understand completely what you are saying it’s just that I don’t believe anything you say.
If you said it was raining I would go outside to check.
Your argument doesn’t stand up, Auscision always offer their first production run at wholesale to retailers after delivery so the first run may well not pay for tooling and production run. They stated that production costs go up every year and in the case of 73 and 422 there were tooling changes and redesigns for DCC and Sound versions but price has been kept to same as first run.

The Auscision 48 was 4th on the market if you include the Trax 48 so hardly predatory and they had to sell them cheap and add Dcc with sound to generate sales.

I think you just don’t like Auscision and their younger crew. It’s the old Aussie Tall Poppy Syndrome. It seems you just can’t stand to see them do well in the market.
They strive to be the market leader producing the highest quality models and what’s wrong with that ?

There is more competition out there now than there ever has been, 20 years ago there was Lima and Trax/Powerlines and that was it plus brass kits etc and we have never had it so good. Auscision,SDS,Austrains,SRM,Trainorama,Ontrack,Eureka and Wombat all producing locos.  

How Long?

Bit tired last night. Need to reorder post or delete. Thinking on it
Everybody has a right to criticize. Hopefully it will be constructive.
You do not have the right to suggest I do not respect Jason, Peter and Jamie. That is  not truthful and in fact not reality.
The market and people in the market help to push manufactures in the direction they want. We got colour coded wiring, rp88 wheels, dcc plugs, sound enclosures, sound tail lights and we will get more, like properly managed interior lights. They did not give them, they reacted. Don't invent arguments to bash folk, use your brain and be constructive rather than emotive.
Rod Young

Rod

Sorry Rod but I understand completely what you are saying it’s just that I don’t believe anything you say.
If you said it was raining I would go outside to check.

Your argument doesn’t stand up, Auscision always offer their first production run at wholesale to retailers after delivery so the first run may well not pay for tooling and production run. They stated that production costs go up every year and in the case of 73 and 422 there were tooling changes and redesigns for DCC and Sound versions but price has been kept to same as first run.

Just for the record, the first run, Auscision 73 class, back in 2011 was $249.00.

2018 - 2nd run 73 class, pre-delivery price is $255 ($295 after delivery), there is no sound version offered in the 2nd run.

Not sure how much re-tooling was done to their 73 class model for this 2nd run other than their comments on FB being "Updated model with newly designed 5-pole skew wound motor along with new PCB with 6 pin DCC socket to suit ESU Micro decoder".

So I don't agree that prices have been kept the same as the first run for the 73, obviously then the price increase can be attributed to a rise in production costs and possibly the noted changes / additions.

I note that there is no mention of rectification of the lighting boards in their 73 class that plagued the first run.

Regards,

Catchpoint

Perhaps a little overdue but finally there is a short update on Auscision's projects on their FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

"Quick production update.
Our factory has just advised that the Victorian VP Vans & NSW PayBus will leave China at the end of November.
Both the NSW 442 Class & 73 Class will leave at the end of December.

RUB Cars, 8650 & 85 Class are all expected early in 2019.

We will advise as soon as we have updates on other projects.

Pre-order pricing will finish soon for the above mentioned models. Get your order in quick to save $$$ and to avoid missing out."




Still it will be interesting to see how many of these projects get delivered before the Chinese New Year holidays in February and the subsequent disruption to production this causes.

Tony

via facebook.
edit: maybe it's like the last hint (80 class) that had nothing to do with the picture

via facebook.
edit: maybe it's like the last hint (80 class) that had nothing to do with the picture

Probably means the 44cl that was photo featured on their site some time back, they have already done the 830's and the 422, so only thing other than that would be diesel maintenance centre.

My guess would be the stack of brake blocks, third from the left. Never been done in HO before.

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via facebook.
edit: maybe it's like the last hint (80 class) that had nothing to do with the picture

Probably means the 44cl that was photo featured on their site some time back, they have already done the 830's and the 422, so only thing other than that would be diesel maintenance centre.

The middle loco is a South Australian 600 Class, not an 830.

*Picture removed*
via facebook.
edit: maybe it's like the last hint (80 class) that had nothing to do with the picture

Probably means the 44cl that was photo featured on their site some time back, they have already done the 830's and the 422, so only thing other than that would be diesel maintenance centre.

The middle loco is a South Australian 600 Class, not an 830.

OOPs. Looking at the photo, and blowing it up the 6 looked more like an 8, but I should have looked and seen the dynamic brake exhaust cover on the nose.

My tip 600 class.

I guess we can't rule out anything. Unless we have the all new Auscision ruler (it's even RTR - "Ready To Rule"). Available in red or blue.

Hahahaha

That photo is clearly for an Auscision branded line of weathering materials.

Its the 600 class, product page is on the Auscision website.

Speculation that the 44 Class will also be being done by Auscision:

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/photos/a.136264289740851/2159372180763375/?type=3&theater

That's a funny photo.
Well done, and good on em. Clearly making a concerted effort at delivering something for everyone most of the time.

Regards

That's a funny photo.
Well done, and good on em. Clearly making a concerted effort at delivering something for everyone most of the time.

Regards

  …. or to put it another way nothing for someone all of the time.

Happy deciphering,

John

Victorian Taits & CM Parcel vans added to "coming in 2019/20"
Hunter Valley NHYH and related coal hoppers in many many colours - http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/NHYH%20Coal%20Hopper.htm

That's a funny photo.
Well done, and good on em. Clearly making a concerted effort at delivering something for everyone most of the time.

Regards

  …. or to put it another way nothing for someone all of the time.

Happy deciphering,

John

I thought that it was an early photo of advertising for Worth's circus train.

Tait page and order forns online.
http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Tait%20Set.htm