Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
This is just for pure entertainment value, just have a listen to the parrot (AKA Alan Jones) and Jeff Kennett, still believing Matthew Guy had a chance, despite what the polls said Laughing - https://www.2gb.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-tomorrows-victorian-election/

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I wonder if the NSW libs will be pushing for the Federal election to happen sooner,ie before the state one so they might have a chance at retaining power in NSW?
There was mutterings on something I was watching last night (cant remember which station) that the Feds will hang off as long as possible to give them time to regain Victorian's trust. Rolling Eyes

Rick
RustyRick
Or to empty the Treasury.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
This is just for pure entertainment value, just have a listen to the parrot (AKA Alan Jones) and Jeff Kennett, still believing Matthew Guy had a chance, despite what the polls said Laughing - https://www.2gb.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-tomorrows-victorian-election/

Kind Regards
No. Just no. I had to sit through a training day where Jeff was the headline speaker, and everyone else fawned over him about his “visionary changes” to local Government were. I couldn't listen to two of them..

Rick
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
DD, if you're concerned about an LNP opposition, then you must be convinced that the charismatic Member for Maribinong? The honourable Bill Shorten will be the next PM.
No fear, Chris Bowen will be treasurer, and surely Wayne Swan will be on speed dial.
Financial minister of the year, 2011.

And if Scomo needs a hand to move from the lodge, I can help.Very Happy
michaelgm
This will be the second time in less than ten years that voters will chuck a government they hate out rather than elect a credible opposition - it's not a good situation and it's terrible for our democracy if there's no effective opposition party to the government of the day no matter who they are.

Personally as I've said before I had high hopes for Malcolm Bligh Turnbull, I really did think that he was going to be assertive and demonstrate leadership but instead it was the opposite - he was mealy-mouthed and an appeaser. Which never works in the long run. I don't have enough swear-words for how disappointed I am with the decision of the LNP to make that man PM - he's going to consign them to at least two terms in the wilderness - if they manage to survive the next election full-stop.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The latest opinion poll has the ALP comfortably ahead of the LNP by 55 to 45%, if this was replicated at the Federal Election, you could witness some more carnage,  I.E "Victorian style" LaughingLaughing
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I don't have enough swear-words for how disappointed I am with the decision of the LNP to make that man PM - he's going to consign them to at least two terms in the wilderness - if they manage to survive the next election full-stop.
don_dunstan
Again your lament is all about how much you "hate" Labor.

Shorten's as charismatic as a stick of celery, however the PM is not the government. All we need is a PM who can lead a reasonably united cabinet whilst keeping most backbenchers happy. Unlike the LNP, Labor isn't going to the next election paralysed by ideological battles.

The Liberals are focused on the extremely wrought inside and outside the Party. Clearly more Victorians saw past the carp (sic) and are over it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Again your lament is all about how much you "hate" Labor.

Shorten's as charismatic as a stick of celery, however the PM is not the government. All we need is a PM who can lead a reasonably united cabinet whilst keeping most backbenchers happy. Unlike the LNP, Labor isn't going to the next election paralysed by ideological battles.

The Liberals are focused on the extremely wrought inside and outside the Party. Clearly more Victorians saw past the carp (sic) and are over it.
Groundrelay
Despite what you think I hate them both equally - but as a doe-eyed true believer you naturally take offence at my hated of the ALP. Fair enough.

Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull were both wasted opportunities for this nation, and I don't understand why the LNP saw fit to install someone else who had almost identical failures as a leader (ie couldn't lead).

I think there's an extreme likelihood that Shorten may even be knifed before the end of his term as PM - it's already happened twice.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Perhaps as of now we can start nominating which LNP seats in each state will be lost at the next Federal election??

Clearly how much each party is liked or otherwise varies across the country. To say Federal governments are judged by performances of State governments and visa versa would not always be accurate but it may influence some voters?
Saying the result of the Victorian election will be reflected nationally might be presumptuous too.
However, it might be fair to suggest (If the Herald Sun is to be believed today), every Liberal holding at seat with a margin of 6.3% or less is gone.
My guess is the paper has just equated the statewide swing onto Federal seats to make that assumption.
So hypothetically if that's the Victorian Federal seats kissed goodbye, which ones across the other states are the punters prepared to guess Scomo is to loose (or gain) based on specific state influences ??


Happy predictions.

I figure if is he's going to implode, we may as well nominate the seats contributing to it.

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  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
My bad.
That's Victorian Liberals with 6.3% or less = gone. I'm not making any national assumptions.
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place


I think there's an extreme likelihood that Shorten may even be knifed before the end of his term as PM - it's already happened twice.
don_dunstan
I would have called it an outright certainty.

He still has to be the leader at the next election and while removing him before that would be "and you can insert your own word here" it really would not surprise me.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud


I think there's an extreme likelihood that Shorten may even be knifed before the end of his term as PM - it's already happened twice.I would have called it an outright certainty.

He still has to be the leader at the next election and while removing him before that would be "and you can insert your own word here" it really would not surprise me.
7334
We've got all the same factors in play to re-ignite that simmering factionalism that destroyed the ALP last time they were in government. Because the present government is so comprehensively incompetent the Labor Party's internal problems haven't been looked at for the last few years - but they're still there. They're just waiting till they get back into power to spring back to life...

Also I think the ALP are (like the LNP) interested in power for power's sake and don't really have a narrative that's going to help us navigate our way out of the present economic problems. They're almost certainly going to have the same hostile senate the LNP faced and they can't cut immigration from record highs because they know full well that will plunge us into a technical recession immediately. It'll be the same problems with slightly different management, that's all.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Perhaps as of now we can start nominating which LNP seats in each state will be lost at the next Federal election??
davesvline
As you say, it depends on how much of this really was because the Victorian people hate the Morrison government OR was it purely Matthew Guy soliciting money from gangsters? Dan Andrews has also been a very slick operator and has managed to dodge lots of issues like the CFA etc. so at the moment he's still having a charmed run in government - plunging revenues from stamp duty will test their mettle as their new term in government rolls on.

Anyway - if you applied the swing at a federal level then Peter Dutton, Warren Entsch, Sarah Henderson would all go - there'd be a heap of MP's gone. They would lose about 26 seats with a 6% swing according to a quick look at the 2016 electoral pendulum.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Dan Andrews has also been a very slick operator and has managed to dodge lots of issues like the CFA etc. so at the moment he's still having a charmed run in government - plunging revenues from stamp duty will test their mettle as their new term in government rolls on.
don_dunstan

And, he has survived a full term as leader!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
And, he has survived a full term as leader!
"Graham4405"
If I were a betting man, I'd put a few quid on the ALP retaining  government in Victoria for two terms. For the coalition to win the next election it would need about the biggest swing in Victorian political history.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
And, he has survived a full term as leader!
If I were a betting man, I'd put a few quid on the ALP retaining  government in Victoria for two terms. For the coalition to win the next election it would need about the biggest swing in Victorian political history.
Valvegear
True it would be historical for Victoria, but in recent history not unprecedented, look at Qld. Two governments were ousted with massive historical margins. The number of rusted on party voters is declining and voters that are normally aligned to a party now do take the step of voting for an alternative when they think their mob have gone out of control, to teach them a lesson.

With the younger generation, this will become more entrenched as they are less likely to be rusted on and will have their vote vary over their lifetime.

Just as politicians think it is ok for parties to swap out governing leaders mid term, the electorate is evolving to using their preferences to hurt, as they quite rightly can't trust them.

I noticed despite the Victorian ALP winning massively in the lower house, they did not win the majority in the upper house. Many Australians remember what happened when the LNP won majorities in both houses Nationally, as that haunted Howard after that (remember Work Choices and Mediscare).

It will be along time before you will see a party winning both houses at the same time. Majors need to learn that this is now the norm and need to to learn to negotiate.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm starting to wonder if they'll make it to Xmas - Scott Morrison has just announced that the budget will be delivered in April clearly signalling that the election will be held in May. However the other breaking news this morning is that the Member for Chisholm Julia Banks has resigned from the Liberal Party and will sit on the cross-benches as she announced about an hour ago in Parliament (ABC):

"The Liberal Party has changed, largely due to the actions of the reactionary and regressive right wing who talk about and to themselves rather than listening to the people.

"To continue to put the people before the party and act in the nation's interest constructively, effective immediately, I will serve as a member of this House of Representatives as an independent representative.

"I intend to the government my assurance as to confidence and supply."

She's no great intellectual giant anyway - her most notable contribution was in saying that she could easily live on the dole ($20 a day) and also crying to the media that she'd been bullied in the Liberal Party - but then refused to name names. But this puts Morrison's minority government even more in minority (now two seats down).

Added to that is the extreme bloody-mindedness of Morrison and Frydenburg in marching out of the House of Representatives yesterday just as Dr Kerryn Phelps was due to make her maiden speech to parliament (couldn't be bothered showing respect to someone whose vote they will need!). It's hard to imagine a more incompetent pair of dolts for leaders...
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Despite what you think I hate them both equally
don_dunstan
Not really as I’ve previously challenged your charade of impartiality. From your posts one side is far, far worse which is why you had to throw in.
I think there's an extreme likelihood that Shorten may even be knifed before the end of his term as PM - it's already happened twice.
don_dunstan
You’re saying don’t vote Labor because Shorten will get knifed. Surely people would be voting Labor and not so much for him given his lacklustre personal popularity.

It's not the fact you "hate" Labor which bugs me, it's this BS impartiality façade.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It's not the fact you "hate" Labor which bugs me, it's this BS impartiality façade.
Groundrelay
I'm allowed to have an opinion and express it, end-of-story. If you don't like my constant bashing of the Labor Party then skip over my comments every time you see them on a thread: Simple.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
my constant bashing of the Labor Party.
don_dunstan
Yes! Took awhile but we finally got there  Laughing
Even if every post has the obligatory Labor bash that's OK by me. You don't need to pretend now.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Added to that is the extreme bloody-mindedness of Morrison and Frydenburg in marching out of the House of Representatives yesterday just as Dr Kerryn Phelps was due to make her maiden speech to parliament (couldn't be bothered showing respect to someone whose vote they will need!). It's hard to imagine a more incompetent pair of dolts for leaders...
don_dunstan
Very poor form. She may have given them some insight as to why the Libs might lose the next election. First, stop listening to the extremely wrought media.

Federally, the ALP should not take Victoria as indicative of their own future success. Still 6 months to go.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What a shock that Malcolm Bligh Turnbull is advising Julia Banks on how to stick the knife into the dying Morrison government. From The Australian:

The Australian understands the Prime Minister was blindsided by Ms Banks’ announcement yesterday, with the Malcolm Turnbull loyalist marching to the office of Attorney-General Christian Porter with independent MP Kerryn Phelps to seek urgent advice on Mr Dutton’s case.

…The Australian understands Mr Turnbull, who retains support from former staffers, has remained in contact with a group of ­Coalition MPs and ministers since he quit parliament following the August leadership spill. He is accused by some of running a shadow campaign against Mr Morrison to bring down the government…

Again, Malcolm Turnbull is destroying the Liberal Party from outside with his influence and money for no other reason that if he can't be Prime Minister then nobody can. Why he just didn't go quietly like he said he was going to do is beyond me... all that money and he's still a petty, spiteful man with no interest in the well-being of the Australian people. And determined to get revenge on the Liberal Party because they made the terrible mistake of making him Prime Minister; how they're regretting that decision now!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It has been revealed today that there are only 15 more days of Parliament before the May election, that's right 15!!!!, when you couple that on with these disgraceful scenes in the Senate yesterday, is it any wonder that the Public have had a GUTFUL of politicians these days!!! -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRbYI64tJo8

Kind Regards
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Innuendo, personal slurs etc. is all part of the game. I'm extremely disappointed with Senator Hanson-Young, Julia Banks and my (ex-) local member for Higgins Kelly O'Dwyer in slagging out the whole of politics as being anti-woman when basically it's just anti-people. The LNP have been trying to make an effort to run women but they often get given hard seats to win (Mayo for Georgina Downer) or they fall on the wrong side of factional deals. But this aside, they'll keep rounding in on Hanson-Young because she's made a point of suing Lleynholm in civil court - that's politics. And it's working, Hanson-Young looked like she was cracking up today - misogynist behaviour is part of it for sure but she has made herself a target with her suing another Senator in civil court.

But yeah the whole thing is degenerating into petty personality politics - who is running the country? Not those people apparently.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Innuendo, personal slurs etc. is all part of the game. I'm extremely disappointed with Senator Hanson-Young, Julia Banks and my (ex-) local member for Higgins Kelly O'Dwyer in slagging out the whole of politics as being anti-woman when basically it's just anti-people. The LNP have been trying to make an effort to run women but they often get given hard seats to win (Mayo for Georgina Downer) or they fall on the wrong side of factional deals. But this aside, they'll keep rounding in on Hanson-Young because she's made a point of suing Lleynholm in civil court - that's politics. And it's working, Hanson-Young looked like she was cracking up today - misogynist behaviour is part of it for sure but she has made herself a target with her suing another Senator in civil court.

But yeah the whole thing is degenerating into petty personality politics - who is running the country? Not those people apparently.
don_dunstan
Don Dunstan, it's reasons like this, and the all the BS that has gone on in Canberra over the past 12-18 months, is exactly why the public is fed up, and has had enough, why do you think we are seeing record swings in all the seats these days?? , it's because Joe Public has had a gutful, and they want out, and it will continue to happen until the pollies actually SHUT THEIR MOUTHS, and start listening again.

Kind Regards
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
What a shock that Malcolm Bligh Turnbull is advising Julia Banks on how to stick the knife into the dying Morrison government. From The Australian:

The Australian understands the Prime Minister was blindsided by Ms Banks’ announcement yesterday, with the Malcolm Turnbull loyalist marching to the office of Attorney-General Christian Porter with independent MP Kerryn Phelps to seek urgent advice on Mr Dutton’s case.

…The Australian understands Mr Turnbull, who retains support from former staffers, has remained in contact with a group of ­Coalition MPs and ministers since he quit parliament following the August leadership spill. He is accused by some of running a shadow campaign against Mr Morrison to bring down the government…

Again, Malcolm Turnbull is destroying the Liberal Party from outside with his influence and money for no other reason that if he can't be Prime Minister then nobody can. Why he just didn't go quietly like he said he was going to do is beyond me... all that money and he's still a petty, spiteful man with no interest in the well-being of the Australian people. And determined to get revenge on the Liberal Party because they made the terrible mistake of making him Prime Minister; how they're regretting that decision now!
don_dunstan
Totally agree.

Also you can substitute the word Turnbull with the word Abbott and you would have the same story of the government before Morrison as PM.

Well done you have written the history of this government.

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