Growth on Lancefield Corridor

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Spent some time out of town around Lancefield and Romsey over Sunday and noticed a lot of housing estates going up on the road from Clarkesfield to Lancefield.  

Does the PTV have any plans for the return of rail services along this developing corridor?

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner
  Lockie91 Train Controller

Their is a a plan for increased coach services to Woodend & Sunbury to connect with rail services.

You will never see the return of rail services. There will never be enough growth in the area to justify the expense.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Their is a a plan for increased coach services to Woodend & Sunbury to connect with rail services.

You will never see the return of rail services. There will never be enough growth in the area to justify the expense.
Lockie91

Not sure this would be entirely correct.  if the rail line is put back to Lancefield it would open up access to new estates and encourage people to use rail.  The entire area is devoid of services unlike other areas closer to Melbourne.  We are really talking about areas north of Sunbury.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Not sure this would be entirely correct. if the rail line is put back to Lancefield it would open up access to new estates and encourage people to use rail. The entire area is devoid of services unlike other areas closer to Melbourne. We are really talking about areas north of Sunbury.
bevans

Thing is, we do not want to encourage growth in these areas as they are firmly outside the Urban Growth Boundary.

Encouraging Melbourne's sprawl is an appalling use of mass transport like rail.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.
ParkesHub
It is.  Like Wallan, Gisborne, and many other places North of Melbourne.

The question for urban planners is do we want well serviced and attractive 'satellite towns' (like Germany), or a continued outward expansion of squished-in but ugly cookie-cutter detached housing on the urban fringe (like Tarneit)?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.
ParkesHub
As is Riddells Creek. I wonder if these developments are within the existing town boundary or whether new land has been opened up for development. Quite often these old towns have a heap of vacant land already within the boundary dating from back when they were bustling little places a hundred years ago.

Here's a left fielder for you - Bendigo goes via Airport with a deviation around Wildwood and a junction just on the Up side of Clarkefield. Sunbury electrification extends to Clarkie and then onto Romsey and Lancefield via a rebuild of the Lancefield line!

Imagine the junction at Clarkie, it would be something else! Of build a NPF - a NIMBY Proof Flyover.

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.
As is Riddells Creek. I wonder if these developments are within the existing town boundary or whether new land has been opened up for development. Quite often these old towns have a heap of vacant land already within the boundary dating from back when they were bustling little places a hundred years ago.

Here's a left fielder for you - Bendigo goes via Airport with a deviation around Wildwood and a junction just on the Up side of Clarkefield. Sunbury electrification extends to Clarkie and then onto Romsey and Lancefield via a rebuild of the Lancefield line!

Imagine the junction at Clarkie, it would be something else! Of build a NPF - a NIMBY Proof Flyover.

BG
BrentonGolding
Here's another one - Bendigo trains go Clarkefield - Beveridge - Upfield - SCS because airport line is SG.  Extending sparks from Sunbury to Lancefield runs into the problems related to long-distance 1500 VDC.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.
ParkesHub

I could see multiple housing estates going up with road congestion about to start to bite.  The estates are next to or within the town boundary of Romsey so rail would be a very good solution.  Anyone know where the Romsey station once stood as an address?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Their is a a plan for increased coach services to Woodend & Sunbury to connect with rail services.

You will never see the return of rail services. There will never be enough growth in the area to justify the expense.
Lockie91

It would be faster for peak Melbourne bound pax to bail out of the bus at Clarkefield and walk the 100 metres to Clarkefield station, thereby avoiding the traffic/lights etc getting into Sunbury.

Then travel to City on V/Line rather than slower METRO services.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If you really think about it the areas around Romsey and Clarkesfield are prime for housing development for those looking for a little more space.  I would also assume the prices for housing in these areas are going to be a little lower than that of Sunbury?
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
Their is a a plan for increased coach services to Woodend & Sunbury to connect with rail services.

You will never see the return of rail services. There will never be enough growth in the area to justify the expense.

Not sure this would be entirely correct.  if the rail line is put back to Lancefield it would open up access to new estates and encourage people to use rail.  The entire area is devoid of services unlike other areas closer to Melbourne.  We are really talking about areas north of Sunbury.
bevans
if they ran trains through the Metro 1 tunnel to the airport, they could extend the line out to Lancefield or Romsey, besides the v/line coaches to/from the airport they don't appear to have any public transport out there and like any isolated country town with an aging population, a rail service would be helpful with getting into Melbourne for medical appointments instead of getting a taxi to sunbury which would be really expensive or rely on a town/shire based minibus service.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The answer here is no prospect of a rail service .

There is a VLP bus service opertaed by Dysons from Lancefield and Romsey that is co-ordinated with Bendigo trains.  This can be beefed up as required .  Plus the road from Lancefield / Romsey runs via Clarkefield station and the car parking can be expanded there .  EOS  (Und of Story)
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
You will never see the return of rail services. There will never be enough growth in the area to justify the expense.
Lockie91
I wouldn't say never. Never is forever and forever is a very long time.


Wyndham Vale, Melton, Wallan, Clyde & Baxter all deserve to be upgraded to a full suburban rail service before Romsey and Lancefield get an entirely new line built.

Armstrong's Creek and Torquay will also be in-line to get an entirely new line built to service their needs before Romsey and Lancefield.

And there's the Airport.

We have just had a state government re-elected after making record promises regarding investment in new rail projects, it seems the rail construction industry is going to be very busy in Victoria for the next 10 to 20 years at the very least, and with all of that, Romsey hasn't been mentioned in dispatches anywhere.

That said, in about 20 to 25 years, after Metro 1 complete, the above mentioned extensions have all been finished off and hopefully we are well into the construction phase of Metro 2 and the SRL, then yes, I can see there being a need for further extensions to places like Romsey, Whittlesea and Koo Wee Rup.

There is a lot to happen between now and then, so I wouldn't be expecting much.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.
As is Riddells Creek. I wonder if these developments are within the existing town boundary or whether new land has been opened up for development. Quite often these old towns have a heap of vacant land already within the boundary dating from back when they were bustling little places a hundred years ago......
BrentonGolding
Yes, Riddells is also going strongly. I think Romsey is a planned development sanctioned by the Grubbiment.

I think the old rail alignment is now covered in housing north of Romsey.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Clarkefield already basically acts as the Romsey/Lancefield park and ride. Improving station access and facilities would probably be the best investment in the short term.

Note the reason that Clarkefield isn't growing like the towns around it is that it has no sewage system, and the council is reluctant to let it grow without one.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Actually, Romsey is going nuts with new houses.

Anyone know where the Romsey station once stood as an address?
bevans
The former railway through the township of Romsey has been fully built on.

You can make out the former alignment on Google Maps.

Station Street would be an obvious location of the former station.

Any new railway to the area would need to be on a bypass, best they plan that now before the whole area gets built out.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Clarkefield already basically acts as the Romsey/Lancefield park and ride. Improving station access and facilities would probably be the best investment in the short term.

Note the reason that Clarkefield isn't growing like the towns around it is that it has no sewage system, and the council is reluctant to let it grow without one.
TOQ-1

The new station car park at Clarkefield is almost as big as the town itself Exclamation

It's clear the Lancefield bus will probably be calling soon as a part of its connection with UP/DOWN Bendigo's.

Mike.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
In an Alliance session at Wangaratta and the sexual health nurse from Kilmore
arrives and tells us about the new urban growth in Kilmore
(as well as other problems)...
Actually, there is housing growth in Kilmore as well.
Yada, yada, yada, Kilmore East.
Reconnecting Kilmore might actually pay.
Problem is, there is a few things in the way.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
could I have a background to railways in this area, please?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
could I have a background to railways in this area, please?
Dangersdan707
As a starter : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancefield_railway_line - was closed in 1956.

EDIT - That's what happens when you open a page and decide to reply 30 mins later without refreshing first.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Some thoughts from woodford, an opinion piece you have been warned.........

Whats the point of talking about a rail service to Lancefield when so much of the Melbourne's metro area (with large populations) has no rail transport at all, the worst area of these being the Mornington peninusla. Melbourne metro area is already far to spread out to let it have a real good reliable and frequent rail mass transit system. Look at most large cities, London, Paris Berlin, New York. All with very large populations is a small area allowing them to have excellent mass transit systems.

Fuel prices will only rise compared with weekly wages, this will be death to areas like Lancefield, large scale housing developments should not be allowed there as its certain in the future it will be to expensive to live there.

woodford
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
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