SA to keep Overland running

 
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Yes, I do believe what I write. I may be persuaded by convincing analysis that my position is wrong, but that doesn’t make my comments any less sincere, nor any less evidence-based.

The Melbourne-Sydney city pair has an annual passenger flow of 10.6 million. It supports two passenger trains daily in each direction, and could probably comfortably sustain a third.

Melbourne-Adelaide has 3.8 million. It is absurd to suggest that there should not be at least a daily service.
potatoinmymouth
The market simply doesn't exist !

If you haven't traveled on the Sydney - Melbourne - Sydney XPT train you will find that there Is a large turnover of passengers at regional centres along the way (probably Wagga Wagga to most)

Between Melbourne and Adelaide there simply Isn't the population (Ballarat don't count)
these's no Benalla's, Wangaratta's, Albury - Wodonga's, Wagga Wagga's nor Goulburn's.

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The market simply doesn't exist !

If you haven't traveled on the Sydney - Melbourne - Sydney XPT train you will find that there Is a large turnover of passengers at regional centres along the way (probably Wagga Wagga to most)

Between Melbourne and Adelaide there simply Isn't the population (Ballarat don't count)
these's no Benalla's, Wangaratta's, Albury - Wodonga's, Wagga Wagga's nor Goulburn's.
Nightfire

A very reasonable point. I would like to see the numbers on Southern XPT trip lengths, but I don’t know of any way to obtain comparable data. Anecdotally and in my personal experience a fairly high proportion of pax are travelling if not the whole way then certainly further than half of it.

The other factor is that the Victorian sector of the XPT route is also served by V/Line services, which take over a substantial proportion of the intrastate traffic. The towns on the Western SG are smaller, yes, but they do not have 3 V/Line services in addition to the Overland either. So their contribution to passenger numbers may be more substantial than it would initially appear.

Or, I could be talking out of the proverbial.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Also GSR has now announced a new rail service from Adelaide To Brisbane and if it is a success which is doubtful then that could spell the end of the Overland as we know it.
https://indaily.com.au/news/business/2018/11/20/great-southern-rail-to-launch-adelaide-brisbane-service/
Hopefully they will not use the tired old Overland Carriages for this service?
Probably the Ghan stock, given it will only run in the two months of the year when the Ghan will not be running.

There might be a couple of Overland vehicles which are suitable for refurbishment and re-allocating to the luxury trains, but certainly not all the sitting cars.
justapassenger

There are ex IP cars that are much younger than the Overland cars that have been retired and left strewn around the Keswick yard. The Overlands sitters, mostly built in the 1950's, though very smooth riding cars are nevertheless also very old.

Having said that, the cars on the Canadian are also very old and are still in daily service...with a less than agreeable climate to contend with as well.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
On its way to Adelaide via Gheringhap https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1165
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
How the mighty has fallen!  Years ago a small Overland consist would be 12 or 13 vehicles, and 17 at peak times. Now six have just flashed across the screen.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
It simply cannot keep running like that, best to have it cease
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

@kipioneer the Inter City 125 trains are basically shot. The Overland does not need more old vintage stock. The service should be removed from GSR and given to V/line to operate using modified velocities.

Michael
mejhammers1

Why does it need to be removed from GSR. How about vline do what nsw trainlink does and run a service on the same line as GSR.

The answer by the way is because vline is too tight.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Why does it need to be removed from GSR. How about vline do what nsw trainlink does and run a service on the same line as GSR.

The answer by the way is because vline is too tight.
simstrain
Do you mean that V/Line doesn't need to lose more money?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
@kipioneer the Inter City 125 trains are basically shot. The Overland does not need more old vintage stock. The service should be removed from GSR and given to V/line to operate using modified velocities.

Michael

Why does it need to be removed from GSR. How about vline do what nsw trainlink does and run a service on the same line as GSR.

The answer by the way is because vline is too tight.
simstrain
V/Line would have no Interest In running Velocities to Adelaide, they have much bigger fish too fry, like addressing overcrowding on the Geelong line.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
@kipioneer the Inter City 125 trains are basically shot. The Overland does not need more old vintage stock. The service should be removed from GSR and given to V/line to operate using modified velocities.

Michael

Why does it need to be removed from GSR. How about vline do what nsw trainlink does and run a service on the same line as GSR.

The answer by the way is because vline is too tight.
V/Line would have no Interest In running Velocities to Adelaide, they have much bigger fish too fry, like addressing overcrowding on the Geelong line.
Nightfire
though they may have an interest in taking over the current overland operations.
  redhen Station Staff

such a sad day Heard on the news that the overland will stop running at the end of the year.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yep, it’s cactus. Still looking for a link.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
such a sad day Heard on the news that the overland will stop running at the end of the year.
redhen


GSR, when I Emailed them about it, claimed that they are still finalizing the timetables for 2019 (aka a load of smeg). This pretty much confirms it
https://gsrcmssite.azurewebsites.net/docs/default-source/fares-and-timetables/2018-19-fares-timetables.pdf?sfvrsn=2

+The above times are for 01 April 2018 to 30 December 2018. The Overland does not operate on 24 December 2018.
GSR link
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

though they may have an interest in taking over the current overland operations.
Dangersdan70
Really? if you were running a business, would you take on a new business that is under utilised with aged rolling stock?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
though they may have an interest in taking over the current overland operations.
Really? if you were running a business, would you take on a new business that is under utilised with aged rolling stock?
theanimal
Vline is not a business though, It's a State run service unlike GSR
  SAR520SMBH Train Controller
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The news was in the Advertiser behind the pay-wall, apparently there's acknowledgement that the SA government isn't funding it any more.

The end of the year will be 130 years of continuous service - oh well.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
GSR update: https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/trains/the-overland
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
All they've really said is that they want some kind of tail-off funding from the SA government but they appear to have it on authority that it's done.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The Overland is gone after 130 years - only about 15 to 30 years too late I think.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
As sad as it is to see this go I think this is an opportunity for the Great Southern to succeed where the Overland failed.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Somethings that may interest you people, though largely government and corporate blabber.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-29/overland-train-service-set-to-be-cancelled/10565422
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Somethings that may interest you people, though largely government and corporate blabber.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-29/overland-train-service-set-to-be-cancelled/10565422
Dangersdan707
So the next question is what will Victoria do? The Overland does provide a (limited) rail service for Western Victoria and that is the main reason that the Vic Gov subsidy exists.

And is the article correct, the SA Gov only puts in $300K per annum? Seriously?

BG
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Bordertown (and other towns on the inland route to Mt Gambier) has “daily” bus service with Premier Stateliner.

If I lived in Bordertown, didn’t drive, and needed to get to Adelaide, I wonder whether I would happily wait until Tuesday. Or take the bus.

Incidentally, it seems GSR hasn’t told ARTC of its decision yet. The January 2019 Master Train Plan still has the Overland’s train paths loaded on ARTC’s website.

SB
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
QR, I hope youre looking at this decision.....

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