2018 State Election / Transport

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

That sounds like quite an over-complicated structure, lots of overlap (e.g. it seems that roads and ports are no longer transport infrastructure, it's not clear whether projects like Melbourne Metro are infrastructure or public transport) and lots of opportunity for dodging accountability.

A clearer structure would have a single Minister for Transport and Infrastructure plus a couple of non-ministerial 'spokesperson for xyz.'

It looks to me like at least one of them is being set up to mainly serve as a sacrificial lamb when things go wrong. Horne would be the most likely candidate, as a newbie MP in a seat so safe that even a donkey wearing a red ribbon could get a 65% vote.
justapassenger
You have to remember that the delivery agencies (LXRA, RPV, West Gate Tunnel, North East Link, Major Road Projects) have been operating separately from Transport for Victoria (V/Line, VicTrack, VicRoads, port regulator, and so on) for several years now. I said a while back it is working quite well and to me it makes sense to have the ministerial structure reflect that.

Using your example, Metro Tunnel is being delivered by RPV so clearly Minister Allan's responsibility.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
You have to remember that the delivery agencies (LXRA, RPV, West Gate Tunnel, North East Link, Major Road Projects) have been operating separately from Transport for Victoria (V/Line, VicTrack, VicRoads, port regulator, and so on) for several years now. I said a while back it is working quite well and to me it makes sense to have the ministerial structure reflect that.

Using your example, Metro Tunnel is being delivered by RPV so clearly Minister Allan's responsibility.
potatoinmymouth

Goodbye Jacinta Allan who has now moved to: Minister for Transport Infrastructure.

Welcome: Minister for Public Transport and the Minister for Ports and Freight, Melissa Horne.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Be interesting to know something of her background/experience for the role (beyond making up the numbers as a woman)?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

YM, as I said in my previous post (where you got a special mention!), she has worked at the Level Crossing Removal Authority and the former Department of Infrastructure in a number of capacities.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@woodford. You have hit the nail on the head. And that is why the Bus system must be completely overhauled to handle more of the heavy lifting. The solution simply cannot be heavy rail alone. And that is why building a Suburban Rail loop nor due to be completed until 2050 at the earliest is no solution to the problems now.

Michael
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Be interesting to know something of her background/experience for the role (beyond making up the numbers as a woman)?
"YM-Mundrabilla"

Exactly. Why choose a woman with experience for this role when any faceless old fart in a grey suit would do Razz
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

More info regarding the restructure is emerging.

It appears at this stage that the new DOT will actually replace TFV. Talk about unbelievable - they’ve only been around two years! The rationale is apparently that strategic planning was being duplicated across TFV, its subsidiaries and the Coordinator-General’s people.

Speaking of the Coordinator General, Corey Hannett (currently in that role) has been appointed TFV Head and will become the acting secretary of the new department. Gillian Miles, who was picked from the clouds to lead TFV, has been demoted to lead the transition team.

It is looking to me like TFV was not have the impact the government thought it would and is being rebuilt in a second attempt at transport unification.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I find the split of Transport Infrastructure and Public transport an interesting one.

One contains below rail, the other contains above rail.....  I wonder if there are some governance splits of VLine in the works somehow (especially the freight network).

Though Roads and Ports dont make sense alongside this dichotomy.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I find the split of Transport Infrastructure and Public transport an interesting one. One contains below rail, the other contains above rail..... I wonder if there are some governance splits of VLine in the works somehow (especially the freight network). Though Roads and Ports dont make sense alongside this dichotomy.
james.au

I think everyone’s got the bull by the horns a bit regarding the Transport Infrastructure position. It makes more sense if you think about the agencies each of the three transport ministers will be assigned.

Jacinta Allan (Transport Infrastructure) will have the delivery agencies set up in the last term, plus any others to come (for instance, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a Suburban Rail Loop Authority). It would probably be better to call this portfolio the Minister for Building Things!

Melissa Horne (Public Transport, Ports, Freight) will have PTV, V/Line, VicTrack, the port regulator, and so on. Plus things like Metro and Yarra contracting.

Jaala Pulford (Roads and Road Safety) will have VicRoads, Regional Roads, the TAC, and so on.

The V/Line split is a remote possibility but I suspect they see it more along the lines of VicRoads as an infrastructure manager rather than an infrastructure builder. Time will tell.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Be interesting to know something of her background/experience for the role (beyond making up the numbers as a woman)?

Exactly. Why choose a woman with experience for this role when any faceless old fart in a grey suit would do Razz
bingley hall
I assume that you know her experience whereas no one else seems to. There is nothing on Linkedin etc that I can find.
Please enlighten us. We could use a competent Minister for Transport etc ....
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

YM:

Director of Communications at LXRA

VicRoads Advisory Board for some years as a Corporate Affairs manager

And some position at the Department of Infrastructure.

In addition to a lot of executive experience in the public and private sectors, including the Legal Services Board.

No doubt you’ll write her off as a spin doctor, and she is, but she certainly has more to qualify her than her gender.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Having a look at the Rowville and Monash Transport Project that will have its route confirmed soon and mode here are the options, pros and cons

  • Light Rail (Caulfield To Rowville): Pros - If Traffic Light priority is used it can make the route faster, cheaper cost, transport to Chadstone SC and serves two universities. Another pro would be if the line ran via Huntingdale Rd to serve the station as there is demand, may increase travel time though Cons - Increases traffic on Dandenong Rd and probably means no more Rowville Rail ever

  • Heavy Rail (City to Rowville): Pros - Rail Service To Rowville and possibility to run elevated rail for most of the route. Cons - Lack of capacity of Dandenong Corridor unless Quadruplication is completed and the cost, high cost and misses Chadstone precinct

  • Rail via Alamein Corridor (Rowville to City via Alamein): Pros - Increases orbital connectivity between many lines, gives connection to Chadstone, revitalises Alamein corridor and possibility to run elevated rail for most of the route, tunneling required between East Malvern and Oakleigh as well as Monash University Precinct. Cons - High Cost, increased travel time as it runs via Alamein and Camberwell and misses the Caulfield end of the route, could be covered by extending Route 3 to Chadstone.

For me either the light rail or Alamein route are the two outstanding choices. If the federal government are willing to pay for the

majority of the project which includes a minimum of 4km of tunneling from East Malvern to Oakleigh Station we should go for that. Duplication between Ashburton and Alamein, removal of Riversdale LX (station closer to Willison end which means close Willison) and new station at a Toorak Rd (close Hartwell/Burwood). Elevated Rail could run through Wellington/North Rd median and parts of it could even be at ground level. Monash Univesity Station could be underground with a small 400m section there underground before rising above ground again. However, things may get interesting with future Quadruplication of the Dandenong corridor, the section between Oakleigh and Huntingdale will need room for six tracks (two for Rowville, two for metro, two for express/VLine). Also future Quadruplication would need to happen between Burnley and Camberwell, provisions are in place.

Otherwise light rail is the best alternative, something makes me excited for a proper light rail and new tram route in Melbourne. Would also mean that routes like the 96/109 can adopt the same technology such as traffic light priority to improve the current service.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Having a look at the Rowville and Monash Transport Project that will have its route confirmed soon and mode here are the options, pros and cons

  • Rail via Alamein Corridor (Rowville to City via Alamein): Pros - Increases orbital connectivity between many lines, gives connection to Chadstone, revitalises Alamein corridor and possibility to run elevated rail for most of the route, tunneling required between East Malvern and Oakleigh as well as Monash University Precinct. Cons - High Cost, increased travel time as it runs via Alamein and Camberwell and misses the Caulfield end of the route, could be covered by extending Route 3 to Chadstone.

ptvcommuter
The Alamein option is superior:
  • Operate the first Cross Suburban Shuttle Camberwell to Rowville, with connections to the Ringwood, Glen Waverley and Dandenong Lines
  • Gives Chadstone SC + Monash Uni (Two massive trip generators) with heavy rail access
  • Increases the utilisation of the Alamein corridor
  • Reduces the need for immediate Dandenong Line Quadding (Will probably end up following the Princess Highway between Caulfield and Dandenong as a viaduct).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
  • Reduces the need for immediate Dandenong Line Quadding (Will probably end up following the Princess Highway between Caulfield and Dandenong as a viaduct).
John.Z

Hello Princess...you probably mean 'Princes'
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
  • Reduces the need for immediate Dandenong Line Quadding (Will probably end up following the Princess Highway between Caulfield and Dandenong as a viaduct).

Hello Princess...you probably mean 'Princes'
The Vinelander
Probably been listening to 3AW where their traffic reports frequently quote 'Princess' Highway (often with a heap of other slang locations. I am surprised that the gender neutral (or whatever they are called) mob haven't got 'Princes' changed to 'nuclear whale' or some such.!
Nobody speaks English these days only jargon, slang and acronyms.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Alternatively, language evolves. I'd imagine your parents and grandparents wouldn't know some of the words you use commonly these days either.

Calling the Princes Highway the Princess Highway is not correct though (although given it is named after the prince who became Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathiser, it might be for the best the name is changed).
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Alternatively, language evolves. I'd imagine your parents and grandparents wouldn't know some of the words you use commonly these days either.

Calling the Princes Highway the Princess Highway is not correct though (although given it is named after the prince who became Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathiser, it might be for the best the name is changed).
TOQ-1
Given that the Highway in question passes through 3 States, I can't imagine them all agreeing to change the name, let alone deciding on a new name.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Alternatively, language evolves. I'd imagine your parents and grandparents wouldn't know some of the words you use commonly these days either.

Calling the Princes Highway the Princess Highway is not correct though (although given it is named after the prince who became Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathiser, it might be for the best the name is changed).
Given that the Highway in question passes through 3 States, I can't imagine them all agreeing to change the name, let alone deciding on a new name.
mikesyd
These sorts of things can be done unilaterally, you know.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Alternatively, language evolves. I'd imagine your parents and grandparents wouldn't know some of the words you use commonly these days either.

Calling the Princes Highway the Princess Highway is not correct though (although given it is named after the prince who became Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathiser, it might be for the best the name is changed).
Given that the Highway in question passes through 3 States, I can't imagine them all agreeing to change the name, let alone deciding on a new name.
mikesyd

Now we are really off on a tangent...

It's only the Princes Highway in Victoria.

In NSW it's the Pacific Highway, in Qld it's the Bruce Highway etc.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Alternatively, language evolves. I'd imagine your parents and grandparents wouldn't know some of the words you use commonly these days either.

Calling the Princes Highway the Princess Highway is not correct though (although given it is named after the prince who became Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathiser, it might be for the best the name is changed).
Given that the Highway in question passes through 3 States, I can't imagine them all agreeing to change the name, let alone deciding on a new name.

Now we are really off on a tangent...

It's only the Princes Highway in Victoria.

In NSW it's the Pacific Highway, in Qld it's the Bruce Highway etc.
The Vinelander
No, the tangent runs from Sydney to Adelaide via Melbourne.

Edit - was to Port Augusta but shortened to Adelaide.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The western terminus these days is the town of Port Wakefield (99km north of Adelaide) with the Port Wakefield to Port Augusta segment having been renamed the Augusta Highway in 2011.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Originally Prince's Highway.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Originally Prince's Highway.
kitchgp
Correct. The apostrophe was dropped in 1928, according to Ozroads. Also commonly called The Princes Highway, although the The prefix was just terminology equally applied to The Hume Highway or The Pacific Highway for example.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Alternatively, language evolves. I'd imagine your parents and grandparents wouldn't know some of the words you use commonly these days either.

Calling the Princes Highway the Princess Highway is not correct though (although given it is named after the prince who became Edward VIII, a Nazi sympathiser, it might be for the best the name is changed).
Given that the Highway in question passes through 3 States, I can't imagine them all agreeing to change the name, let alone deciding on a new name.

Now we are really off on a tangent...

It's only the Princes Highway in Victoria.

In NSW it's the Pacific Highway, in Qld it's the Bruce Highway etc.
The Vinelander
Oh dear. Sad

A good road trip will fix you up!
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Now we are really off on a tangent...

It's only the Princes Highway in Victoria.

In NSW it's the Pacific Highway, in Qld it's the Bruce Highway etc.
The Vinelander
Route No.1 becomes the Princes Hwy. going Sth from Sydney.

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