Murray Basin standardisation

 
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Whar a load of bollocs.   "costly rail move to Ouyen"

A "new" siding (not a reinstatement of the one pulled out)  is a requiremnt of the Ouyen.inc $5M grand plan to build yet another inter-modal freight hub  pipe dream.
http://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Ouyen-Intermodal-Terminal-Rapid-Appraisal-May-2018-PN.PDF

A continer lift terminal no less. As IF Ouyen could ever compete with Mildura.
"Talking to the State Government" means nothing. They have to talk to all sorts of crack pots.

Back to reality .?

cheers
John

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

To be fair though, there is a huge amount of irrigated farming and orchards/vineyards out towards Wemen. I suppose it could end up being Ouyen vs Manangatang for future intermodal on the SG network. Ouyen might have the advantage of hitching onto existing trains and a faster track.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
BL30 on crew training runs to Murrayville yesterday and today.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The other benefit that Ouyen has is it is on an existing intermodal line.  Perhaps, if there are funding issues, the Manangatang/Sea Lake lines could be converted at a lower class (reflecting their use mainly as grain lines) should this become an issue.

And re intermodal, surely there is a way of developing a 'cheap' loading point on a line that a train can drop some wagons+containers off, they can be loaded, and then the train can pick up again?  We dont need all the bells and whistles of an industrial precinct surrounding it?
  Bonzel Locomotive Fireman

The other benefit that Ouyen has is it is on an existing intermodal line.  Perhaps, if there are funding issues, the Manangatang/Sea Lake lines could be converted at a lower class (reflecting their use mainly as grain lines) should this become an issue.

And re intermodal, surely there is a way of developing a 'cheap' loading point on a line that a train can drop some wagons+containers off, they can be loaded, and then the train can pick up again?  We dont need all the bells and whistles of an industrial precinct surrounding it?
james.au


Why not load on the mainline like they do at Wumbulgal on the line to Griffith as MC2/3 does.

https://www.facebook.com/WINNewsRiverina/videos/the-western-riverina-intermodal-freight-terminal-has-been-officially-openedlocat/852664508154025/
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The other benefit that Ouyen has is it is on an existing intermodal line.  Perhaps, if there are funding issues, the Manangatang/Sea Lake lines could be converted at a lower class (reflecting their use mainly as grain lines) should this become an issue.

And re intermodal, surely there is a way of developing a 'cheap' loading point on a line that a train can drop some wagons+containers off, they can be loaded, and then the train can pick up again?  We dont need all the bells and whistles of an industrial precinct surrounding it?


Why not load on the mainline like they do at Wumbulgal on the line to Griffith as MC2/3 does.

https://www.facebook.com/WINNewsRiverina/videos/the-western-riverina-intermodal-freight-terminal-has-been-officially-openedlocat/852664508154025/
Bonzel
I think that is a possibility in many places yes.  Depends on how long the occupation is though.

I think that Wumbulgul is going to put in its own siding though eventually.
  Bonzel Locomotive Fireman

The other benefit that Ouyen has is it is on an existing intermodal line.  Perhaps, if there are funding issues, the Manangatang/Sea Lake lines could be converted at a lower class (reflecting their use mainly as grain lines) should this become an issue.

And re intermodal, surely there is a way of developing a 'cheap' loading point on a line that a train can drop some wagons+containers off, they can be loaded, and then the train can pick up again?  We dont need all the bells and whistles of an industrial precinct surrounding it?


Why not load on the mainline like they do at Wumbulgal on the line to Griffith as MC2/3 does.

https://www.facebook.com/WINNewsRiverina/videos/the-western-riverina-intermodal-freight-terminal-has-been-officially-openedlocat/852664508154025/
I think that is a possibility in many places yes.  Depends on how long the occupation is though.

I think that Wumbulgul is going to put in its own siding though eventually.
james.au
There would be more traffic on the Griffith line in a good year than has been between Ouyen and Mildura , only the Merbein container train is regular and any grain is only
every now and then.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I believe that the grain loader at Nullawil is on the main line. Perhaps there are others in Victoria too.
  Noelwb123 Station Staff

I believe that the grain loader at Nullawil is on the main line. Perhaps there are others in Victoria too.
mikesyd
The silos at Nullawil were on a siding pre SG. Whether that still exists I don't know. There are also bunkers at Nullawil. How  the grain from those is loaded onto trains I don't know.
Noel
  Bonzel Locomotive Fireman

I believe that the grain loader at Nullawil is on the main line. Perhaps there are others in Victoria too.
mikesyd
Yep and it is the only one to.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The money might be better put toward part of the cost of a wye junction at Ouyen.
  Noelwb123 Station Staff

I believe that the grain loader at Nullawil is on the main line. Perhaps there are others in Victoria too.
Yep and it is the only one to.
Bonzel
As of July 2016 Nullawil had a grain siding. Given that it hasn't been standardised yet I would strongly suggest it still has.
Noel
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The money might be better put toward part of the cost of a wye junction at Ouyen.
kitchgp

Why Razz
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

A south-west leg at Ouyen would get more use than the northern leg (if it's kept) at Ararat.
  Noelwb123 Station Staff

I believe that the grain loader at Nullawil is on the main line. Perhaps there are others in Victoria too.
Yep and it is the only one to.
As of July 2016 Nullawil had a grain siding. Given that it hasn't been standardised yet I would strongly suggest it still has.
Noel
Noelwb123
I have checking. Nullawil does have a grain siding but it also has a grain loader straddling the main. This is probably used to load grain from the bunkers alongside.
Noel
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
A south-west leg at Ouyen would get more use than the northern leg (if it's kept) at Ararat.
kitchgp

Neither are justified.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Were the concrete sleepers used for the sg to Mildura heavy mainline sleepers, or the smaller replacement sleepers?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Were the concrete sleepers used for the sg to Mildura heavy mainline sleepers, or the smaller replacement sleepers?
Duncs
The Maryborough - Ararat line sleepers were only low profile concrete sleepers, between Maryborough and Yelta, concrete sleepers are only used In a handful of locations, like level crossings.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Were the concrete sleepers used for the sg to Mildura heavy mainline sleepers, or the smaller replacement sleepers?
The Maryborough - Ararat line sleepers were only low profile concrete sleepers, between Maryborough and Yelta, concrete sleepers are only used In a handful of locations, like level crossings.
Nightfire


Thanks Nightfire. I wonder why that is the case?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I have seen some suggestions that a couple of Large Cranes were in attendance in the Ararat Triangle area yesterday.

Could it be...….?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Are there any possessions booked in the foreseeable future?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Are there any possessions booked in the foreseeable future?
james.au
ARTC don't list any. One would assume they would be involved.

https://www.artc.com.au/customers/operations/notices/taa/

Could of course have been at the Maryborough end too, or just in the middle.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
posted on this thread, https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11396495-s200.htm, photos of crews apparently installing the crossing

Neil
  Union_Bay Station Staff

Location: West Footscray, Vic
I visited Korong Vale yesterday, and noticed the points for the junction have been spiked normal (set for the Sea Lake line). I thought the gauge conversion of these lines had been postponed until after the Ballarat upgrades. Does anyone have an update regarding these works?
  darcycammo Chief Train Controller

Location: cockatoo vic
When I was up at my land last Sunday in Korong Vale I seen a V/Line Ute at the first crossing on the sea lake line he put a stop board up and it was gone 30 minutes later I’m guessing that’s what he was doing

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