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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I don't think it will happen.

The embarrassment of the failed impeachment of Bill Clinton is still recent enough to be remembered, and the numbers in the Senate (where a two thirds majority is needed to convict) are even more heavily stacked in favour of the president this time around.


Talk is cheap for House Republicans at the moment. It's when Senate Republicans start talking that you'll know things are getting real.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I don't think it will happen.

The embarrassment of the failed impeachment of Bill Clinton is still recent enough to be remembered, and the numbers in the Senate (where a two thirds majority is needed to convict) are even more heavily stacked in favour of the president this time around.


Talk is cheap for House Republicans at the moment. It's when Senate Republicans start talking that you'll know things are getting real.
justapassenger
Forget impeachment. Thump could literally do anything without worrying about that.

Anyway he's their Thanksgiving present. What a 'Pleasure'.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
He was completely right about an attempt to rush the border - News.com.au. Funnily enough the ABC is not reporting this story at all.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

He was completely right about an attempt to rush the border - News.com.au. Funnily enough the ABC is not reporting this story at all.
don_dunstan
It's on the ABC website. You need to look harder to see what Cadet Bonespurs is lying about now.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
He was completely right about an attempt to rush the border - News.com.au. Funnily enough the ABC is not reporting this story at all.
don_dunstan

Took me less than 30 seconds to find it.

Bias showing through again?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
He was completely right about an attempt to rush the border - News.com.au. Funnily enough the ABC is not reporting this story at all.

Took me less than 30 seconds to find it.

Bias showing through again?
bingley hall
I went through the ABC front page @ about 5pm and I couldn't see it; then went to the News.com.au website and it was near the top and there was some good coverage of what was happening in Tijuana. I'm not alleging conspiracy, I'm just saying.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Bias showing through again?
bingley hall
For Don Thump can do no wrong. He'll only decry the actions (real or not) of Obama and Clinton. Judges them on actions, praises Thump for words.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bias showing through again?
For Don Thump can do no wrong. He'll only decry the actions (real or not) of Obama and Clinton. Judges them on actions, praises Thump for words.
Groundrelay
Trump took action on the festering sore of Chinese intellectual property theft after eight years of Obama sitting on his hands pretending it wasn't happening. How is that "words"?
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Bias showing through again?
For Don Thump can do no wrong. He'll only decry the actions (real or not) of Obama and Clinton. Judges them on actions, praises Thump for words.
Trump took action on the festering sore of Chinese intellectual property theft after eight years of Obama sitting on his hands pretending it wasn't happening. How is that "words"?
don_dunstan
He's whining about it, that's for sure, but tell us what concrete action Cadet Bonespurs has taken?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Bias showing through again?
For Don Thump can do no wrong. He'll only decry the actions (real or not) of Obama and Clinton. Judges them on actions, praises Thump for words.
Trump took action on the festering sore of Chinese intellectual property theft after eight years of Obama sitting on his hands pretending it wasn't happening. How is that "words"?
He's whining about it, that's for sure, but tell us what concrete action Cadet Bonespurs has taken?
ParkesHub
US is quietly back tracking on that 'Trade War'. A lot of lobbying by US Agri and SMEs being hurt by his bravado.
The interests of the United States of Trump and the USA don't always coincide.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bias showing through again?
For Don Thump can do no wrong. He'll only decry the actions (real or not) of Obama and Clinton. Judges them on actions, praises Thump for words.
Trump took action on the festering sore of Chinese intellectual property theft after eight years of Obama sitting on his hands pretending it wasn't happening. How is that "words"?
He's whining about it, that's for sure, but tell us what concrete action Cadet Bonespurs has taken?
ParkesHub
I understand the cynicism about Trump, believe me, but I also think that it's a really significant and important thing that he got elected (number one) and that he took the United States in a completely different direction (number two). It's a shock that some people still haven't got over, the fact that he got elected - I think it's incredibly important for functioning democracies to violently swing one way or another because it shows the public are thinking about the outcomes and voting accordingly. I love people having opinions on Trump but please have the argument to back it up is all I ask.

Specifically in relation to tariffs; Trump instituted a range of measures directed at Chinese intellectual property theft and bought in $50 billion penalty tariffs till the Chinese acknowledge and negotiate in good faith - he's quoted figures saying that the value of the theft is $600 billion and he's been constantly threatening to up that figure. That tariff went to a general 10% thing in September which took it to $200 billion and more recently in the last few days Trumpy has said he will apply tariffs to more items imported into the United States as well as some new things like iPhones and other technology.

My take on reading what I could on the internet is that Trump is targeting specific companies in China like Huawei who have been consistently accused of stealing electronic architecture and software for over a decade. And apparently companies like Apple have been having conniptions because of that announcement but Trump has said that he thinks American consumers can afford to suck it up (words to the effect) and in fact he wants to up the tariff on his list of Chinese "naughty" products with 25% (or more) tariffs. We're starting to talk about some serious financial impediments to buying Chinese in the United States, not just a ten percent slap on the wrist.

All this is in the lead-up to the G20 summit where it was widely expected that Trump will come to a deal with President Xi over the tariffs and compromise but honestly - I think it's more likely given how belligerent Trump is that he'll tell them to get stuffed and there'll be no compromise. I think Trump realises that him telling China to get stuffed plays really well with his electorate and he's got nothing to lose but keep applying pressure to the People's Republic.

There have been some causalities on the American side - for example China has pretty much banned US-grown soya beans but it turns out that has a silver lining for our own farmers since China still needs soy.

Is that a good enough synopsis of the trade war for 'ya? God bless Donald Trump, he's doing stuff that no Democrat (or Republican) had the balls to do.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Specifically in relation to tariffs; Trump instituted a range of measures directed at Chinese intellectual property theft and bought in $50 billion penalty tariffs till the Chinese acknowledge and negotiate in good faith - he's quoted figures saying that the value of the theft is $600 billion and he's been constantly threatening to up that figure. That tariff went to a general 10% thing in September which took it to $200 billion and more recently in the last few days Trumpy has said he will apply tariffs to more items imported into the United States as well as some new things like iPhones and other technology.

All this is in the lead-up to the G20 summit where it was widely expected that Trump will come to a deal with President Xi over the tariffs and compromise but honestly - I think it's more likely given how belligerent Trump is that he'll tell them to get stuffed and there'll be no compromise. I think Trump realises that him telling China to get stuffed plays really well with his electorate and he's got nothing to lose but keep applying pressure to the People's Republic.

There have been some causalities on the American side - for example China has pretty much banned US-grown soya beans but it turns out that has a silver lining for our own farmers since China still needs soy.

Is that a good enough synopsis of the trade war for 'ya? God bless Donald Trump, he's doing stuff that no Democrat (or Republican) had the balls to do.
don_dunstan
Having the balls to do something stupid is no recommendation. Tariffs are not the answer. Tariffs become a pissing contest which is what we're now seeing. Trump's tariffs are a scatter-gun approach that damages everybody including US workers.

The issue with tariffs was initially one of trade imbalance and the IP theft became an issue down the track. There's no doubt that the Chinese are pursuing this and it needs calling out and action. Not only the USA but numerous other countries as well.  In respect of IP theft, what the Chinese are doing is nothing new but they are engaging on an industrial sized scale. These tariffs are having zero effect on IP theft from China or anywhere else for that matter.

With trade imbalance, the real reason for tariffs, the USA can look to its "Captains Of Industry" for the answer. Where they put US workers out of employment and sent their manufacturing to the great world factory in China. Obviously, we're doing the same.

I don't have a particular hatred of Trump and Trumpkins. Trump is all about Trump (with all the foolish hubris, lying, self-aggrandisement, venal wealth pursuit, etc. you can muster).
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Jeffrey Epstein saga has blown up again.  Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were good friends with the human trafficker who paid his way out of a very long jail term.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/alex-acosta-jeffrey-epstein-jail-deal-2018-11

Disgusting.  And Trump's Labour Secretary (Acosta) helped Epstein get off lightly.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

According to Trump, Michael Cohen is a weak person. Certain admissions made in the hope of a lighter sentence.
Orange haired Elvis would sell out all and sundry, for same. Isn't self preservation/advancement $$, the ultimate aim?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Having the balls to do something stupid is no recommendation. Tariffs are not the answer. Tariffs become a pissing contest which is what we're now seeing. Trump's tariffs are a scatter-gun approach that damages everybody including US workers.

The issue with tariffs was initially one of trade imbalance and the IP theft became an issue down the track. There's no doubt that the Chinese are pursuing this and it needs calling out and action. Not only the USA but numerous other countries as well.  In respect of IP theft, what the Chinese are doing is nothing new but they are engaging on an industrial sized scale. These tariffs are having zero effect on IP theft from China or anywhere else for that matter.

With trade imbalance, the real reason for tariffs, the USA can look to its "Captains Of Industry" for the answer. Where they put US workers out of employment and sent their manufacturing to the great world factory in China. Obviously, we're doing the same.

I don't have a particular hatred of Trump and Trumpkins. Trump is all about Trump (with all the foolish hubris, lying, self-aggrandisement, venal wealth pursuit, etc. you can muster).
ParkesHub
My theory is that something - anything - is better than nothing which is what Obama and his successor Hillary were guaranteed to do. In western nations right now (including Australia) we're creating a huge underclass of people who are marginally attached to our society. They're chronically under-employed and can't obtain enough work to be able to save or buy their own houses and they certainly can't do things like save for retirement or have holidays or do any of the other things that the working class used to be able to do.

Even our Reserve Bank Governor Phil Lowe said last week that low wage growth and low pay jobs are threatening Australia's social cohesion because the traditional working class are now excluded from all the good things that they used to be able to afford. Disenfranchised. And I agree heartily with him - even Jimmy Barnes commented recently on how crook things are if you're a traditionally working class person, you just don't have the means to be able to better yourself because all the good-paying jobs are out of your reach - they've been off-shored.

I'm not say that tariffs are necessarily the answer either - but they're better than sitting on your hands. If we don't reverse the creation of diabolical poverty in the West then you're going to have an underclass of people with nothing to lose, no way to participate or better themselves and who can't get off welfare or break out of their poverty trap. There's a possibility that if some of the manufacturing that was off-shored comes back to the United States then all well and good.

Trump's tariffs are escalating - he's said that he's going to double and triple the tariffs on some categories of good that he considers have been made with anti-competitive practices (IP theft, heavy government subsidy or protection) and eventually that might be the Chinese to the table to at least negotiate in good faith - which they've so far refused to do.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
With respect of IP theft, this is interesting.... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/politics/china-trump-cyberespionage.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
ParkesHub
Thank-you, that was interesting. It's informative that industrial espionage stepped up after the election of Trump (and it never really stopped anyway), it's a provocation in my book.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
In Trumpland the farce continues.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/trump-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-to-leave-amid-rumours-of-deteriorating-relationship

This White House will create more books that any in the history of the USA.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Google is now on Trumps hit list it would seem.

Search Google for idiot and then display Images - mostly DT.

EDIT - The Microsoft search engine - Bing - isn't far behind either.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Cohen's locked away for 3 years. May just have to wait until Thump's replaced by a Democrat for this to play out.

"Justice Department policy is not to indict a sitting president, but some legal experts have said Mr Trump could be charged after leaving office. Democrats and other critics also have raised the issue of impeachment by Congress."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-14/trump-michael-cohen-investigation-denies-wrongdoing/10618314
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Heard a news broadcast recently, saying Trump could Be the first president to vacate the Whote House in handcuffs, when he's replaced.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Surprised?

US President Donald Trump's troubled charity foundation has agreed to close down amid allegations that he and others illegally misused its funds.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46611178
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

A German journalist and editor (from Der Spiegel, no less) went to "Trump Town" and fabricated much of what he wrote in his article.
https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7

He has since been sacked and has confessed to producing "Fake News! TM" on at least 14 of the 60 articles he wrote for the rag:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/claas-relotius-reporter-forgery-scandal-a-1244755.html

It's an extraordinary saga.  Both Left and Right are prone to producing fake news...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
And the latest one to quit is the Defense(sic) Secretary, Jim Mattis after Trump rebuffed his advisors and made the decision to withdraw from Syria.

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