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  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Micheal: I haven't advocated violence against Sudanese at all. I suggest you withdraw that comment. I haven't said blacks commit all crime in London. I haven't said all Muslims want Sharia patrols. This is the sort of wilful misrepresentation I have come to expect from the "left". The delusion is all yours.  
ADB

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  ADB Locomotive Fireman

BS: If you spent more time learning the correct use of commas, your posts might be more readable.

See how cheap shots work? I was basically saying that I sit and read posts on Railpage from people and learn stuff rather than comment, but apparently, that can be a cause of complaint on here as well. Then we get ".... redneck rhetoric" and after you've made your cheap shot, it's 'Lets get back to the rails"!

LOL, do you lot actually listen to yourselves?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
BS: If you spent more time learning the correct use of commas, your posts might be more readable.
ADB
That ' s nice , Dear .

Rolling Eyes
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Micheal: I haven't advocated violence against Sudanese at all. I suggest you withdraw that comment. I haven't said blacks commit all crime in London. I haven't said all Muslims want Sharia patrols. This is the sort of wilful misrepresentation I have come to expect from the "left". The delusion is all yours.  
ADB
Yes sorry I made a mistake about the running over of Sudanese. I will withdraw that. That was another poster. But below are your words

And of course it's not just the actual assaults that are the problem - it's the ever-present threat of violent crime, or being glowered at or threatened by gangs of African "yoof" hanging on street corners. No crime has occurred, but your life is still significantly poorer.

And what happens as the African population grows and their crime affects more people? Will the impact still be "insignificant" then? Of course not.

More Sudanese means more crime, oh I get it now.

are still at it even as their multicultural utopia (see "grooming gangs", acid attacks, a knife epidemic among black yoof, honour killings, FGM, Islamic terrorism and Sharia patrols, etc etc.) disintegrates in flames around their tone-deaf ears. Seems people like to be brainwashed, and need to learn certain realities the hard way.

All done by a minority of people. Forget about the 97% of the said communities are law abiding. Why mention all the above if you are not saying that basically you think that your life would be better if it wasnt for these damn migrants. Remember a crime is a crime, it does not become worse just because it is carried out by communities you dont like. Serious crime is despicable, no matter the colour of the perpetrator. And because some of us think that you are talking absolute dog whistling smeg, we are all raving lefties.

Id say the delusion is all yours.

Michael
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I hate the French.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Mehjammers: the reply nesting thingy seems to have gone bonkers, but in reply to your last post:

"Oh, more Sudanese means more crime"

It's been pointed out that Sudanese born here are committing most of that community's crime, so yes, it does.

"All done by a minority of people"

Why does that matter? The fact that 99+% of Melburnians aren't rapists is little consolation to the women who are raped by the minority who are. Moreover - like Sudanese in Melbourne - the groups I refer to in the UK are committing disproportionate levels of violent crime. Meaning the UK political class has basically imported/let in (significant) extra crime into the country, that wouldn't be occurring if they hadn't been let in. So yes, increasing numbers of people in the UK are now realising that there lives would in fact be better without mass Third World immigration, no matter how nice some of them are. Back in Melbourne, that's why African crime gangs get so much attention - we have enough trouble with our own ratbags, why did we import more?

Finally, the issue with Islamists in the UK I have mentioned are much more widespread than you appear to think. As evidenced by surveys like this:

"Living apart together: British Muslims and the paradox of multiculturalism" (Policy exchange, 2007):
  • 28% of UK Muslims want to live under Sharia law (37% of 16-24 yr olds)
  • 36% of 16-24 year olds said Muslims converting to another religion should be punished by death

Note the younger ones are more radical than the older ones. I have no idea what the Sudanese community in Melbourne's attitudes to Islam are and I am not trying to conflate the UK's problems with here. It's just to point out the issues in the UK I referred to are very real, and not just "fear-mongering".



Anyway, unless you challenge me to back up an assertion, I'll leave it there. The next time you "see" me I'll be asking about the Ettamogah Rail Hub.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
You also need to consider the violent nature of the crimes by the African gangs.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner


Finally, the issue with Islamists in the UK I have mentioned are much more widespread than you appear to think. As evidenced by surveys like this:

"Living apart together: British Muslims and the paradox of multiculturalism" (Policy exchange, 2007):
  • 28% of UK Muslims want to live under Sharia law (37% of 16-24 yr olds)
  • 36% of 16-24 year olds said Muslims converting to another religion should be punished by death

Note the younger ones are more radical than the older ones. I have no idea what the Sudanese community in Melbourne's attitudes to Islam are and I am not trying to conflate the UK's problems with here. It's just to point out the issues in the UK I referred to are very real, and not just "fear-mongering".
ADB
1) You're describing the UK.  Australia isn't the UK.  A much smaller minority of Australian Muslims would hold such extremist views.

2) Most Sudanese migrants in Australia fled Sudan because the Islamist Khartoum Govt in the North tried to impose Sharia Law on the mostly Christian and Animist Southerners, and also tried to kick them off their land to extract oil for selling to foreign countries etc etc.  The South is now independent of the North but has the problem of dealing with its own civil war along tribal allegiances.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

This thread needs to be locked and removed. Attempts to start similar threads should be treated the same.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Sigh. Yes Carnot, hence my last paragraph that you quoted. The point was mehjammers was trying to make out that the UK's problems with Islam were minor, hence I provided evidence that they in fact are rather serious.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
We have never had any problem with African gangs. Crime stats show that people from African heritage account for less than 2% of crime committed in Victoria. No prizes for the winner.
Lockie91
A foolish statement.  Yet their population makes up what % of the population?    It's clear and been shown they are over represented in statistics. Or do you rely on the ABC for your objectiveness?
ADB

There is indeed an over-representation, recently Nyadol Nyuon ignorantly claimed:

But in an interview with the
program, practising lawyer and social justice advocate Nyadol Nyuon leapt to the defence of the Sudanese community, saying: "The overwhelming majority of crimes in Victoria are committed by Australian and New Zealand-born people ... South Sudanese do commit about 1 per cent of the offences."

Which is true, however the proportion of those born in Sudan is less than 1 in 1000, implying the crime rate amongst such residents is 10x above what it should be.  The unique offender rate for those born in Sudan/South Sudan is also about 100/1000 persons, far beyond the next highest rate which is for those born in Iran and Afghanistan at about 20/1000.  Serious assaults rates by Sudanese born are twice the next nearest group of overseas born residents, and aggravated burglaries around three times.


The figures show that the incident rate for assaults, aggravated robberies and aggravated burglaries are far higher for people born in Sudan or South Sudan than other birthplaces.
People from these two nations carried out 1.8 per cent of assaults, 8.5 per cent of aggravated robberies and 3.8 per cent of aggravated burglaries.

Of course those rates are just for those born in Sudan/South Sudan (eg. not including those with an ancestry), and one must consider unreported crimes, be it because the victim has not looked for assistance or where police have failed to respond.  There are also significant offenders from other African nations like Kenya and Somalia.

So there is a definite problem with African crime, to simply discount it as statistically small is to turn a blind eye to a significant problem within a subsection of our communities, and only adds to the discontent within the larger community.  There's a number of reasons for the issue aggravating people in such a way, one is that crime by those with Australian ancestry is perceived as our problem, whereas crime by those born overseas is taken as something that could be avoided.  

It is also particularly seen by many as disrespectful, since limited refugee intakes are taken up by those demonstrating little regard for the opportunities they've been given (over other refugee groups).  Apart from the statistical realities, since large African intakes are a relatively recent phenomenon, they form a group with a relatively high exposure since increases in population and demographic changes within certain suburbs are readily apparent (so there is also attached a fear of change and something new).
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Until the media give the racial profile of every gang involved in crime, I'm calling racism.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Railpage: The White Man's Burden
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Railpage: The White Man's Burden
"LancedDendrite"
Spike Milligan reckoned it was "Insurance; the White Man's Burden."
  Richard stroker Locomotive Fireman

The white man invented the first locomotive
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Railpage: The White Man's Burden
Spike Milligan reckoned it was "Insurance; the White Man's Burden."
Valvegear
Of course by the virtue of the White Man's well-formed skull he is able to take not just one but many burdens upon himself.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
The white man invented the first locomotive
Richard stroker
And an African created the first steam engine more than 1,700 years beforehand.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@ADB Never said they were minor at all. Please learn to read. I said the crimes were committed by a minority of that community.

Michael
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Sorry Lanced.....
But Hero was definitely White, as those from North of the Sahara are.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Sorry Lanced.....
But Hero was definitely White, as those from North of the Sahara are.
Rodo
Your definition of white is rather brown then. Are you happy to count Arabs as white then? How about Hispanics? This is the problem with whiteness - it is a nonsense concept with no scientific basis that is used as a weapon by those in power to divide communities for their own gain. This is what is being done with the African gang hysteria of today and was done with the Lebanese and the Vietnamese and... the Greeks.

Remember that for a long time Southern Europeans were not considered 'white' by the White Australia Policy enforced by the ethnically Anglo-Celtic colonists of Australia and this was used as an excuse to heavily restrict immigration from those parts of the world. Culturally it is only within the last few decades that Greeks were considered 'white'.

Hero of Alexandria spent at the very least the majority of his working life in Alexandria, a city that is indisputably located on the continent of Africa. That makes him an African. To wit:

But what we really want to know is to what extent the Alexandrian mathematicians of the period from the first to the fifth centuries C.E. were Greek. Certainly, all of them wrote in Greek and were part of the Greek intellectual community of Alexandria. And most modern studies conclude that the Greek community coexisted [...]

So should we assume that Ptolemy and Diophantus, Pappus and Hypatia were ethnically Greek, that their ancestors had come from Greece at some point in the past but had remained effectively isolated from the Egyptians? It is, of course, impossible to answer this question definitively. But research in papyri dating from the early centuries of the common era demonstrates that a significant amount of intermarriage took place between the Greek and Egyptian communities [...]

And it is known that Greek marriage contracts increasingly came to resemble Egyptian ones. In addition, even from the founding of Alexandria, small numbers of Egyptians were admitted to the privileged classes in the city to fulfill numerous civic roles. Of course, it was essential in such cases for the Egyptians to become "Hellenized," to adopt Greek habits and the Greek language. Given that the Alexandrian mathematicians mentioned here were active several hundred years after the founding of the city, it would seem at least equally possible that they were ethnically Egyptian as that they remained ethnically Greek. In any case, it is unreasonable to portray them with purely European features when no physical descriptions exist.
Victor J. Katz (1998). A History of Mathematics: An Introduction, p. 184.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Just for the mix a relative of mine was murdered in Khartoum way back in the 1850s, by the Sudanese people, why am I bringing this up, because some of the comments about the colour of someone skins is irrelevant, the perpetrators of any crime need to be accountable for their crimes. End of story SIMPLE.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I am fascinated by LanceDedrite's definition of the Caucasian or White race.
Celtic British types are rather difficult to distinguish from more southern European types. Hispanic just means Spanish.  Obviously a totally White type.
I think that the pro British immigrant policy was a cultural bias not racial.

Hard to apply racially when the basic native English population is some 30% Nordic 70% Mediterranean.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Just for the mix a relative of mine was murdered in Khartoum way back in the 1850s, by the Sudanese people, why am I bringing this up, because some of the comments about the colour of someone skins is irrelevant, the perpetrators of any crime need to be accountable for their crimes. End of story SIMPLE.
trainbrain
Is this discussion leading anywhere constructive ?
Can it please be locked !!!
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Mods, Lock this thread already!
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Hark at all the people crying for the thread to be locked. What's the problem? Scared some facts might invalidate your politically correct views? It's a big, scary world out there, kids, but you still have to face it from time to time. Sheesh.

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