Taxpayers shell out $4 million for asylum seekers to receive discounts on public transport

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 07 Mar 2019 00:22
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
What a load of rubbish, so they get a concession based fare to travel a lot like a student or a pensioner which seems fine of course unless they have a full time job?

Taxpayers shell out $4 million for asylum seekers to receive discounts on public transport

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  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

Looming elections
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Looming elections
michaelgm
But they can't vote.

I think its nothing new though, in NSW and elsewhere, Welfare recipients (as most are until they get settled) get Concessional travel amongst other things.
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
Looming elections
But they can't vote.
mikesyd
But this is dog-whistle politics at it's finest.

Not sure - and not interested - in which fishwrapper got in first, but I can tell you that it got a big write-up in Sydney's Daily Telecrap.

Need I say more.

marvin
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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
What's $4 million when ScoMo is about to spend squillions re-opening Christmas Island?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

@x31, if you think this is really the most serious issue facing public transport, and the one most worthy of your outrage, you might need a compassion supplement with your daily medications.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
@x31, if you think this is really the most serious issue facing public transport, and the one most worthy of your outrage, you might need a compassion supplement with your daily medications.
potatoinmymouth
I thought @x31 was outraged about the outrage and not outraged at the $4M

The people that I know will be outraged are those like some customers of ours and some members of my extended family who migrated here in the 50s and 60s and who got nothing at all and had to find their own way in the world. It really boils their p1$$ I can tell you!

BG
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
$4m for cheap transport for immigrants.

$1m for a consultant to swan around and study someone’s brain fart on a railway link between [insert your choice of pinheads from the map].


I know which one I prefer - it benefits a larger number of people.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
@x31, if you think this is really the most serious issue facing public transport, and the one most worthy of your outrage, you might need a compassion supplement with your daily medications.
I thought @x31 was outraged about the outrage and not outraged at the $4M

The people that I know will be outraged are those like some customers of ours and some members of my extended family who migrated here in the 50s and 60s and who got nothing at all and had to find their own way in the world. It really boils their p1$$ I can tell you!

BG
BrentonGolding
I think that many of the post WW2 migrants were 'assisted immigrants' who had a large chunk of their fare paid for by the Australian Government (remember the "10 Pound" scheme). That was in the days when Australia had the 'populate or perish' attitude - just as long as you came from Europe of course!!

The Vietnamese Boat People probably got assistance of one kind or another after they stepped ashore.

This is just another way of helping - they do need to travel back and forth to find a job, and it presumably ends when they get one.

The RRA policy is probably for free PT for all.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What's $4 million when ScoMo is about to spend squillions re-opening Christmas Island?
Valvegear

...as a transit centre to Perth before the next leg of the journey for medical treatment.

Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I thought @x31 was outraged about the outrage and not outraged at the $4M

The people that I know will be outraged are those like some customers of ours and some members of my extended family who migrated here in the 50s and 60s and who got nothing at all and had to find their own way in the world. It really boils their p1$$ I can tell you!

BG
I think that many of the post WW2 migrants were 'assisted immigrants' who had a large chunk of their fare paid for by the Australian Government (remember the "10 Pound" scheme). That was in the days when Australia had the 'populate or perish' attitude - just as long as you came from Europe of course!!

The Vietnamese Boat People probably got assistance of one kind or another after they stepped ashore.

This is just another way of helping - they do need to travel back and forth to find a job, and it presumably ends when they get one.

The RRA policy is probably for free PT for all.
mikesyd
Don't shoot the messenger, I know this but it doesn't stop some people from bearing a grudge about everything from subsidised housing (compared to Nissen Huts or sleeping 4 families to a 2 bed terrace house for 5 years or so as someone I know did), access to social security of some kind or another etc etc. And of course people who come here as refugees these days come in planes not a 6 or so week journey on a steam ship. Oh and they don't pay their own airfare either!

BG
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
@x31, if you think this is really the most serious issue facing public transport, and the one most worthy of your outrage, you might need a compassion supplement with your daily medications.
I thought @x31 was outraged about the outrage and not outraged at the $4M

BG
BrentonGolding
He is probably outraged that the NSW Government did it and he couldn't vent against the Victorian government.

It belongs in the NSW Election thread in any case.

I am sure that the "Postage Allowance" for Politicians is way more than $4M - where is your outrage on that one x31?
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

If I could just interrupt all the virtue-signalling going on here, the point is that the asylum seekers concerned are illegal immigrants, and giving them discounted travel etc. only encourages more to come.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

FACT CHECK ALERT:

Far from making it illegal, Australia has actually recognised that seeking asylum is a human right - recognised in the same document where freedom of expression is recognised at that.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
FACT CHECK ALERT:

Far from making it illegal, Australia has actually recognised that seeking asylum is a human right - recognised in the same document where freedom of expression is recognised at that.
"justapassenger"
Somebody should tell the pollies. From the time of Howard until now, they have been screaming loud and long about "illegal arrivals". This, despite zillions of letters to editors, TV comments et al that it is legal to flee to another country to seek asylum.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

FACT CHECK ALERT:

Far from making it illegal, Australia has actually recognised that seeking asylum is a human right - recognised in the same document where freedom of expression is recognised at that.
justapassenger

Seeking asylum might be considered a human right, but "Under the [color=#0000cc]Migration Act 1958 [/color](Cth) (the Migration Act), asylum seekers who arrive in Australia without a valid visa must be held in immigration detention until they are granted a visa or removed from Australia."

Unless the above Act has been amended recently, releasing the above unprocessed asylum seekers into the wider community - and then giving them freebies like discounted train travel - is therefore in breach of Australian law. Therefore, calling them "illegal immigrants" (or "illegal maritime arrivals", as per the article) is in fact perfectly valid.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I think they get a Temporary Protection Visa or something similar when they are released from detention.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/temporary-protection-785#Overview
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

FACT CHECK ALERT:

Far from making it illegal, Australia has actually recognised that seeking asylum is a human right - recognised in the same document where freedom of expression is recognised at that.
Somebody should tell the pollies. From the time of Howard until now, they have been screaming loud and long about "illegal arrivals". This, despite zillions of letters to editors, TV comments et al that it is legal to flee to another country to seek asylum.
Valvegear
Along with seeking asylum, another thing that is not illegal in Australia is for a politician to talk out of their anus.

Nobody has been prosecuted for either.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Don't shoot the messenger, I know this but it doesn't stop some people from bearing a grudge about everything from subsidised housing (compared to Nissen Huts or sleeping 4 families to a 2 bed terrace house for 5 years or so as someone I know did), access to social security of some kind or another etc etc. And of course people who come here as refugees these days come in planes not a 6 or so week journey on a steam ship. Oh and they don't pay their own airfare either!

I know people like this too. But it’d be pretty bloody tragic if we were using our previous poor treatment of migrants as a reason to continue to treat them poorly.

Unless the above Act has been amended recently, releasing the above unprocessed asylum seekers into the wider community - and then giving them freebies like discounted train travel - is therefore in breach of Australian law. Therefore, calling them "illegal immigrants" (or "illegal maritime arrivals", as per the article) is in fact perfectly valid.


Here is what TfNSW has to say about eligibility for this program:

To be eligible to apply for Transport Concession Entitlement Card and Gold Opal card as an asylum seeker, you need to:

be residing permanently in NSW; and
be receiving aid from one of the asylum seeker support agencies recognised by Transport for NSW (listed below) and
be applying for a bridging visa as an asylum seeker or
currently hold a bridging visa as an asylum seeker or
be appealing a determination of status as an asylum seeker.


So refugees must either have been granted a bridging visa or have applied for one. It is true therefore that some asylum seekers remain, according to Australian law (itself a plain violation of the UN refugee convention), IMAs when they are given public transport concessions. However, neither the Daily Tele nor the plagiarising scum at the Daily Mail have actually given figures on how many concession cards have actually been granted to those with visas and those without. Not have they attempted to enumerate the vast numbers of asylum seekers who arrive by plane compared to those who arrive by boat. This is shonky anti-brown people journalism at its best, conflating random statistics and groups to make a political point.

It’s also worth pointing out that a similar program has long existed in Victoria, but as far as I know it has not yet attracted the wrath of the Murdoch press.

Moreover, bridging visas have until recently forbidden asylum seekers from working and entitled them to a pathetic $32/day allowance, less even than the abysmally low Newstart dole.

I really struggle to understand how anyone could have an ideological problem with giving discounted public transport to a group of people who, by and large, have miserable subsistence lives before and well after they arrive in Australia. Are there people in that class who don’t “deserve” a concession? Quite probably. But there are far more tertiary students from wealthy families who, by the same logic, can well afford to pay full fare and full price course fees. I don’t see too many people making that argument.

EDIT: removed ADB's reply from my post. What the hell is going on?
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Mods:

Help! My reply to potato:

"So there's a thing called a bridging visa? Well that muddies things. I'd assumed they would all be illegal (ie "asylum seekers in Oz without a visa"), because the only alternative (in Oz rather than offshore detention) was to have been granted asylum, in which case they are no longer asylum seekers, but normal citizens who could get a concession card if needed through the normal channels. But the bridging visa (presumably a stop-gap while asylum claims are investigated) will mean that some are still "asylum seekers", but not "illegal" in the sense of having been released from detention without a visa. But some are.

And of course all asylum seekers - whether in Oz legally or illegally - are illegal in the sense of having turned up on our shores without a visa. Except according to the UN Convention we signed up to, they're not.  

Wonderful. I'm glad we've cleared that up."


... has appeared in his post!
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Fear mongering, nothing more and nothing less. Just the anti immigration sentiment
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

That's bizarre. This happened to me in another thread.

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