Murray Basin standardisation

 
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
And if they do keep BG to Dunolly, then they need to put in a proper set of points at the south end. SG have to slow to 15kmh for the splitter, at the foot of a 1 in 50 grade.

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  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

The passenger service could be SG.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
And if this SG it could go to North Geelong....
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Interesting development – the Rail Freight Alliance wants work to start this year on Manang and Sea Lake:

THE controversial Murray Basin rail upgrade is finally gathering some speed. Upgrading and standardising of the Manangatang and Sea Lake rail lines is expected to start by mid-year.

“The Ballarat rail separation is being done and we’re trying to get work started on the Manangatang and Sea Lake lines by July,” said Rail Freight Advisory Council chairman Peter Tuohey.

“We’re hoping to get the lines completed by December, in time for harvest.” Mr Tuohey’s optimistic outlook follows a series of V/Line management bungles on delivering the $440 million Murray Basin rail upgrades, which forced the deferral of work on the Sea Lake and Manangatang broad-gauged rail freight lines.

At the time rail engineers reported the project had been poorly managed from the start, by both the Government’s own transport department staff and V/Line managers.

The Government is hesitant to lock in a date for work to start on the two northwest lines, simply confirming the Advisory Council had put forward a start date of July, which was yet to be confirmed.

Transport Minister Jacinta Allan’s spokesman said that “we continue to work with industry to determine the best time frame and staging for delivery, to minimise impacts during harvest and ensure producers can get their product to port”.“Stage two works are now complete, including the upgrade of Ararat Junction, which is saving freight trains up to three hours of travel time on the Maryborough to Ararat line,” Ms Allan said.
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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Well this year would be a good year to do the conversion, given that there is very little grain to move out of there at the present time.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Politically the RFA has to push this and not let it slide. If they dont the govt can say stakeholders didn't want it and can cancel it.  And totally agree. This year would be the good year to do it.  I'm hoping the Freight Passenger Separation Project is announced soon so we have clarity on all of this.

EDIT: Fixed my typo...
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Politically the RRA has to push this and not let it slide. If they dont the govt can say stakeholders didn't want it and can cancel it.  And totally agree. This year would be the good year to do it.  I'm hoping the Freight Passenger Separation Project is announced soon so we have clarity on all of this.
james.au
RRA or RFA?!?! Because I don't think the government would even know who the RRA was! Oh and you double posted FYI.

BG
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sorry guys on mobile. I got all the other typos lol except the important one. RFA for sure!!  They're mostly sane based on their budget sumbissions.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Word on the street is that the new improved 5-weekly Fruity will average only 25-30 wagons for the time being. Still, it's good to see the service being made more useful even without a massive increase in demand so far. That will come once turnaround is at a sensible length.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
How many wagons on the 3pw service?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
How many wagons on the 3pw service?
james.au
From what I've seen via Greensleeves and Co on YouTube, anywhere from 45ish to towards 60, james.

BigShunter.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Word on the street is that the new improved 5-weekly Fruity will average only 25-30 wagons for the time being. Still, it's good to see the service being made more useful even without a massive increase in demand so far. That will come once turnaround is at a sensible length.
potatoinmymouth
The 3 return services a week, ran with up to about 50 wagons, so up to around 150 wagons total a week.

Counting the train size by 20 foot equivalent containers, would be more accurate (given wagons very from 40 foot flats, a 40 foot container on a 60 foot flat, a full 60 foot flat and even 80 foot flats)
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
How many wagons on the 3pw service?
From what I've seen via Greensleeves and Co on YouTube, anywhere from 45ish to towards 60, james.

BigShunter.
BigShunter

Off peak season was averaging 20, peak season last year had 60. With 5/week now I would be surprised if there were too many above 50. Apparently the reason for the extra services being 20 wagons is so they are less than 700 metres for the loops. From what I can tell Maryborough is about to be ticked off and they'll cross them there now.


Also of interest, QUBE's running 8037 from Ararat to Maryborough and return tomorrow for crew training. Sounds like they've got some grain trains coming up up that way (presumably using GML10 and a couple of 80's)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Fantastic news!

I hope Qube consider a container service on the line as well as grain.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

New ARTC Master Train Plan gives the adjusted times for the altered times, with daylight running thru Ararat in the Up direction and night time movements in the Down Direction.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So they'll go up at night, load in the day, and head back in the evening for an unload at the port the next day?

2 trains needed then?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
So they'll go up at night, load in the day, and head back in the evening for an unload at the port the next day?

2 trains needed then?
james.au
Hard to say, that MTP (which is only for the ARTC portion) seems to have different times on different days.
  Richard stroker Locomotive Fireman

A question for those more in the know than me , is it wake fields paying more for more services as I believe PN is on a hook and pull deal or is PN  being nice and providing the service as they now seek to get rid of those horrible trucks on our roads ?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
A question for those more in the know than me , is it wake fields paying more for more services as I believe PN is on a hook and pull deal or is PN  being nice and providing the service as they now seek to get rid of those horrible trucks on our roads ?
Richard stroker
PN doesn't care about the number of trucks on the road, all they care about Is generating profit for their shareholders, through take or pay hook and pull contracts with their customers (In this case Wakefields)  

As for business dealing between PN and Wakefields, that's a matter between those two parties (I'm sure PN will come out on top)
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Hard to tell if capacity is increasing or being spread across the week ?

Is Maryborough yard completed ?
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Aparrently Maryborough will be commissioned to allow the crossing of approaching trains., hence the shorter lengths.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So they'll go up at night, load in the day, and head back in the evening for an unload at the port the next day?

2 trains needed then?
Hard to say, that MTP (which is only for the ARTC portion) seems to have different times on different days.
mikesyd
We will have to wait for the VLine NSP to come out to see what they're doing then.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Aparrently Maryborough will be commissioned to allow the crossing of approaching trains., hence the shorter lengths.
trainbrain

Goods news but does this also include the yard which stored grain consists?
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Few relevant timings via a friend.

Wednesday/Friday; Ararat 0110, Maryborough 0410 - 0515; Dunolly 0555 then per Tu/Th.
Tu/Th Ararat 0155, Maryborough 0455 - 0505; Dunolly 0555; Donald 0735 - 0820; Woomelang 0954; Ouyen 1124; Merbein 1315.
Saturday around an hour later.

Sunday Merbein 1600; Ouyen 1752; Woomelang 1919; Donald 2112 - 2157; Dunolly 2335; Maryborough 0115 (Monday), Ararat 0330.
Mon - Th Merbein 2040; Ouyen 2232; Woomelang 2359; (next day) Donald 0152 - 0237; Dunolly 0415; Maryborough 0455 - 0505; Ararat 0825.

Note crosses planned at Maryborough, although a bit dark for photos. I think Up trains have to run via 2 road (might be the other way around), but quite possible to cross trains there now with signalling commissioned.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
A bit more info here for the interested. A nice clear shot of the down end of the Maryborough yard, roads 1 and 3 are use. The site appears very neat and tidy and with 3 roads available, shortly I suppose we will find out how the re-configured arrangement works. Graeme said a grainy crossed here, on saturday night, so road 3 has had a run through.

Thanks to Graeme for another informative film clip.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FctRgN6TEsw&t=4s

The project still inching forward........Laughing

BigShunter.

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