Liberals plan to revitalise East West Link

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 18 Mar 2019 14:12
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/liberals-plan-to-bankroll-east-west-link-to-save-mps/news-story/af6c8d808400a9c72a4927ae03ee07b7
Federal Liberals have hatched a plan for the Morrison Government to revive the East West Link by increasing its contribution to $4 billion, as ­internal polling shows the party faces an election wipe-out in Victoria.
Senior Liberals have told the ­Herald Sun they fear that up to a dozen federal seats in Victoria are under ­serious threat at this year’s election.

The East West Link push, spearheaded by eastern suburbs MP ­Michael Sukkar with the support of other MPs, has been backed by party research that shows the giant ­project — dumped by the state Labor government — is still a “vote shifter”.
Victorian Liberals this week ­presented a proposal to Prime Minister Scott Morrision in Melbourne that would see the commonwealth offer Premier Daniel Andrews all the ­government money needed to pay for the new toll road between the Eastern Freeway and CityLink.

The Morrison Government has so far ­offered Victoria $3 billion towards EWL, expected to cost at least $7 billion. Liberal sources believe that if the federal government added another $1 billion, that would remove the need for any state government contribution.

A 2014 artist impression of the western portal on the East West Link.The remaining $3 billion would come from the private sector. The PM is understood to have ­rejected the push, although he left open the possibility of revisiting the issue closer to the federal election.

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Are the Libs stark raving mad? The road was going to end up being a $18 billion boondoggle.  I'm a conservative voter, but this is ridiculous.

Floggin' a Dead horse. That is all.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The remaining $3 billion would come from the private sector.
This $3 Billion from the so called private sector, how are the private sector going to just throw In a massive amount of cash without getting chunky availability payments from the State Government / Taxpayers or the likes of Transurban getting massive concessions, toll extensions (licence to print money)
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
$3b from the private sectors in say ?

No private sector would make that investment without a return so this smells of tolls and more transurban filth. They are  scum who prey on motorists and create pollution.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

$3b from the private sectors in say ?

No private sector would make that investment without a return so this smells of tolls and more transurban filth. They are  scum who prey on motorists and create pollution.
freightgate
They are "Rent-seeking" scum who are perpetuating unlivable cities.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/liberals-plan-to-bankroll-east-west-link-to-save-mps/news-story/af6c8d808400a9c72a4927ae03ee07b7

Federal Liberals have hatched a plan for the Morrison Government to revive the East West Link by increasing its contribution to $4 billion, as ­internal polling shows the party faces an election wipe-out in Victoria.
Senior Liberals have told the ­Herald Sun they fear that up to a dozen federal seats in Victoria are under ­serious threat at this year’s election.

The East West Link push, spearheaded by eastern suburbs MP ­Michael Sukkar with the support of other MPs, has been backed by party research that shows the giant ­project — dumped by the state Labor government — is still a “vote shifter”.
Victorian Liberals this week ­presented a proposal to Prime Minister Scott Morrision in Melbourne that would see the commonwealth offer Premier Daniel Andrews all the ­government money needed to pay for the new toll road between the Eastern Freeway and CityLink.
ptvcommuter

This is again the Herald-Sun not accepting the will of the people and not for the first time either.

This 'project' will not save many of the eastern suburbs conservative MP's including Sukkar's seat of Deakin held by the Libs by 6%.

The Herald-Sun knows no bounds in supporting and advocating for this white elephant over the past 4 years.

Mike.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
It is probably time Sukkar went anyhow as he was behind the ousting of Turnbull which is why he finds himself in the position he is now in.

The project was poor by business case standards IIRC?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It is probably time Sukkar went anyhow as he was behind the ousting of Turnbull which is why he finds himself in the position he is now in.

The project was poor by business case standards IIRC?
x31
Yeah, the business case was dreadful.  BCR or $0.45 by the usual metrics, $0.84 with a giant fudge factor.  56 years+ to pay off, maybe:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/east-west-link-business-case-revealed
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
It is probably time Sukkar went anyhow as he was behind the ousting of Turnbull which is why he finds himself in the position he is now in.

The project was poor by business case standards IIRC?
Yeah, the business case was dreadful.  BCR or $0.45 by the usual metrics, $0.84 with a giant fudge factor.  56 years+ to pay off, maybe:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/east-west-link-business-case-revealed
Carnot

So why was it being driven so hard at the time?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

It is probably time Sukkar went anyhow as he was behind the ousting of Turnbull which is why he finds himself in the position he is now in.

The project was poor by business case standards IIRC?
Yeah, the business case was dreadful.  BCR or $0.45 by the usual metrics, $0.84 with a giant fudge factor.  56 years+ to pay off, maybe:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/east-west-link-business-case-revealed

So why was it being driven so hard at the time?
x31
To try and win an election. Just like now.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
To try and win an election. Just like now.
duttonbay

Interesting thoughts by the libs as many would argue Daniel Andrews won the election from the libs when he announced he would tear up the contract on what was a poorly business case (above).  How the libs can still think this is a winner no one can explain.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

To try and win an election. Just like now.

Interesting thoughts by the libs as many would argue Daniel Andrews won the election from the libs when he announced he would tear up the contract on what was a poorly business case (above).  How the libs can still think this is a winner no one can explain.
bevans

Because Tony Abbott:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/abbott-road-plan-criticised

"In April (2013), the then-opposition leader stated that should the Coalition win power, it will "stick to its knitting" when it comes to infrastructure. "And the Commonwealth's knitting when it comes to funding infrastructure is roads," Abbott added. This commitment to roads, which sweeps aside virtually all federal funding for rail projects, has become a key mantra for the Coalition since its 7 September victory, with "building roads for the 21st century" becoming a familiar ministerial catch cry."
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
To try and win an election. Just like now.

Interesting thoughts by the libs as many would argue Daniel Andrews won the election from the libs when he announced he would tear up the contract on what was a poorly business case (above).  How the libs can still think this is a winner no one can explain.
bevans
I know most RPers don't want to hear this (and I for one hope this project doesn't go ahead) but there are probably more than a few votes in East-West link. I know quite a few people who live in the Eastern burbs who want it built.

They also (as do I) pretty much universally think the North-East link is a WOFTAM and should have gone around to somewhere near Ringwood.

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

To try and win an election. Just like now.

Interesting thoughts by the libs as many would argue Daniel Andrews won the election from the libs when he announced he would tear up the contract on what was a poorly business case (above).  How the libs can still think this is a winner no one can explain.
I know most RPers don't want to hear this (and I for one hope this project doesn't go ahead) but there are probably more than a few votes in East-West link. I know quite a few people who live in the Eastern burbs who want it built.

They also (as do I) pretty much universally think the North-East link is a WOFTAM and should have gone around to somewhere near Ringwood.

BG
BrentonGolding
Having lived in the Eastern 'burbs for many years (including Sukkar's electorate), it is true that many there live in "Lexus Cages" and just want more and more roads to get from A to B quicker...
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I got an ad for the east west link from watching videos and checked the website.

What a complete joke?

http://www.buildthelink.com.au/

It says congestion is terrible, well then invest in more public transport in the area.

It says 3 billion dollars there and it's shovel ready. No, this 3 billion dollar from the locked box is a joke, there is no money to it and it's not shovel ready. In 2018 Liberals wanted to redesign it to move the tunnel portal and look at another route.

As for Infrastructure Australia, they've become less independent and more political interferred in recent times. They screwed the Cross River Rail analysis and also says the Waurn Ponds Rail Duplication is a waste of money.

Even Infrastructure Victoria put the East West Link at the bottom of the priority. Why should it be done above all else?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
So not all porks heading north, the LNP must be pooping their pants.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The Libs introduced the East-West Link during the period just before the Napthine government lost power. The ALP spent squillions to stop the contract, and still gave the LNP mob the father of a thrashing last November.
What don't the Federal Libs understand?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is why the libs are headed for defeat at the election but I am starting to worry about the affect on the economy if the ALP get up.  EWLINK is simply not required and the business case was never there.  So youi need to ask why were the libs pushing so hard at the end of the term to have it built?

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