Melbourne-Sydney fast train a top Labor priority

 

News article: Melbourne-Sydney fast train a top Labor priority

A fast train linking Melbourne and Sydney in less than three hours will be among the top infrastructure priorities of a Shorten Government.

  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Moreover, we all know Virgin operate the trains between London and Glasgow on the West coast mainline so it's not unprecedented for airlines to get into operating railways.

https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwm-fkBRBBEiwA966fZLcoQVJvFXl8woLwU5nRGMQVmOgf-6iW9ADQiR0MIGEfGpq1uGQUSBoCiw0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Mike.
Virgin Trains has absolutely nothing to do with any of the Virgin-branded airlines operating anywhere in the world.

Operational management of Virgin Trains is actually drawn from Stagecoach Group, a British company which originated as a local bus operator in Scotland.

Virgin Group originated out of a record store, so the equivalent in Australia would actually be JB Rail rather than Qantas Rail.
justapassenger

Semantics...

Virgin wouldn't allow its brand to be associated with an 'uncool' loss making venture....and everyone knows trains are cool Cool

M.

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Virgin wouldn't allow its brand to be associated with an 'uncool' loss making venture....and everyone knows trains are cool Cool
The Vinelander
What about Virgin Trains East Coast?

That one had an ugly livery (it looked like a prospective coke can design rejected for fear the bad taste might flow through to the contents), was hated by its clientele, defaulted on its franchise and handed back the keys early.
  ANR Chief Commissioner
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
When are we going to get our 350 km/h bullet train?

Still waiting....
"ANR"
You'll need access to the Fountain of Youth - it won't happen until you're about 145.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Ha Ha.... Isn't there a cryogenic facility in Holbrook? I think once I am finally gone, I probably won't want to return...not even for a maglev.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Carbon emissions is something that I referenced earlier in this thread and yes, one of the ways to make HSR competitive would be to put a price on carbon and then the price of airfares would theoretically rise and this may make rail more competitive. This may also lead to the airlines trying to get into the rail business, who knows.

But that is not the discussion right here right now because the way this country is ATM we won't deal with those problems until we are forced to by the international community when we default on our treaty obligations and some sort of trade sanction or the like is threatened.

What we are talking about here is wasting billions of taxpayer dollars which should be spent on (vastly) improving regional rail to the capital cities not providing a link between them, a service which is already catered for by the airlines.

BG
BrentonGolding
The last thing we need to do to justify HSR is start taxing air travel. Tax one corridor, but then what about the others? Airlines won't get into the rail business, they don't almost anywhere else for good reason.

So much more can be done to reduce CO2 from transport than focusing on one air corridor that is highly marginally competitive with HSR.
- Regional rail upgrades
- Expansion of the commuter networks
- Significant investment in East Coast corridor freight rail as well as regional freight rail.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

2. What makes you think airlines will look to trains instead of more environmentally friendly planes instead. Same goes for the car for when they go totally electric.

3. If you are targeting regional areas then a 3 hour service between Sydney and Melbourne will not serve this purpose since that is the non stop time. How many towns the train stops at could add an hour on to the travel time.
Trains can easily be scheduled to operate express and with services stopping at intermediate stations as well. That's the BBQ stopper when it comes to operating trains.

It may not happen in NSW but it certainly does in Victoria where high speed services operate with slower or all stopper services and it's quite often an amazing symphony when my express train runs through a stopper at an intermediate station and maintains its speed and schedule...all on basically a SINGLE line at this time.

The VFT, HST, HSR or whatever it becomes will mix stoppers with express services easily because it won't be a single track like my line currently is.

Moreover, we all know Virgin operate the trains between London and Glasgow on the West coast mainline so it's not unprecedented for airlines to get into operating railways.

https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwm-fkBRBBEiwA966fZLcoQVJvFXl8woLwU5nRGMQVmOgf-6iW9ADQiR0MIGEfGpq1uGQUSBoCiw0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Mike.
The Vinelander
Is there enough demand to run both types of services frequently enough to justify the expense of building the line in the first place?

The so called all stoppers would be lucky to be 3 - 4 times a day.

I've caught the Japanese all stopper bullet train, 10-15min waiting at a station for the one behind to pass.

I know if HSR is built this will happen, but its not the sweet symphony often made out and the knock on effect for late running is not insignificant.  

Virgin Trains is not owned by the Airline Virgin

- Virgin trains is 51% owned by Stagecoach and 51% owned Virgin Rail Group
- Virgin Rail Group is owned by Virgin Group

Virgin Group own
- 20% of Virgin Atlantic
- 8% of Virgin Australia

As you could imagine from the above, the Airline sector of Virgin as bugger-all influence in operation of Virgin Rail Group and Virgin trains.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I was talking about the Virgin brand...not what operates under the brand. Even though it's still Virgin operating the UK west coast main...I'm fundamentally against privatisation of railways as it really doesn't work. We end up subsidising the returns to the shareholders of the private businesses operating the services.

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I was talking about the Virgin brand...not what operates under the brand. Even though it's still Virgin operating the UK west coast main...I'm fundamentally against privatisation of railways as it really doesn't work. We end up subsidising the returns to the shareholders of the private businesses operating the services.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike,
I read your previous post as you inferring that an airline company is also running a railway, as I pointed out its not. Virgin Group is I read right basically a Holding Company for different entities dabbling in different industries. I was a bit surprised to read Virgin's interest in the airline industry is now very low and certainly not a controlling share. Basically Virgin Airlines has no real link to Virgin Trains. The link via the Parent company Brand name appears irrelevant.

If they are PS, you are stuffed! The inefficiencies, excesses, Fat Management, controlling unions in previous govt run sectors is well documented. Privatisation has its strengths and weaknesses as does Franchising, strength of Franchising is that you can sack the Management if under-performing. Overall I think above rail is best off-loaded in some form, either contract Management, Franchise or sale, depending on the business and its returns. Below rail belongs with the govt, but contract out much of the various departments.

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