State Govt's Regional Rail Revival

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Used V/line's Daylink again this week to get to Ballarat, the bus stop at Horsham VIC is still atrocious. I would have thought that a regional rail revival would include something for bus interchanges. No shelter from changing buses in the sun and the rain, buses are two-deep at times and go to several destinations, not good enough. The Horsham Council and the VIC govt need to come together and come up with something better.
don_dunstan

Perhaps consider writing to PT Minister Horne or Infrastructure Minister Allan.

Does a proposal for a 'Regional Rail Revival' include improvements to bus stops Question

I was there with many others notwithstanding my group of 10+ on New Years day if you recall...and the shelter is small for the market offering...but as you've said many times people don't use buses preferring to drive to Ararat etc..., therefore is there any energy despite the recent service increases to improve the amenities of the bus stop.

Mike.

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Why not use the railway station as the bus stop?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Why not use the railway station as the bus stop?
Donald

The station, whilst a good suggestion is around three blocks away from the Horsham CAD and not a lot of space for multiple buses there either.

Mike.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The coach interchange in Horsham is in a pretty good location. All that is really needed is actual bays for certain buses, e.g. having a Melbourne/Ararat bound post/bay, a Nhill/Adelaide bound bay, an all other locations bay with clearer signage for each.

There are waiting rooms inside the old police station, but these of course are away from the road.

Changes and improvements to bus stops are usually done by local councils, and while they may have good intentions they don't always fully understand what would actually make it easier to use the services.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
The coach interchange in Horsham is in a pretty good location. All that is really needed is actual bays for certain buses, e.g. having a Melbourne/Ararat bound post/bay, a Nhill/Adelaide bound bay, an all other locations bay with clearer signage for each.

There are waiting rooms inside the old police station, but these of course are away from the road.

Changes and improvements to bus stops are usually done by local councils, and while they may have good intentions they don't always fully understand what would actually make it easier to use the services.
TOQ-1
finally some sense in this conversation.

Only thing wrong with the old police station/community centre, is the fact that the doors are often firmly locked, as Mike discovered on New Year's day.

An absolute disgrace for both PTV and the Council.
Should be open from first to last bus, and a bit of refurb and catering wouldn't go amiss.

cheers
John
  True Believers Chief Commissioner
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

An update on Echuca and Bendigo signalling, along with station upgrades moving ahead:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/better-rail-signalling-and-improved-facilities-for-bendigo/

Still no word on timing of Echuca line speed upgrade.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Posting in this thread because I cannot find the one I posted similar in a month or so back (even with a Googly search)

More concrete sleepers appearing on the side of the tracks on the Bendigo line. As previously reported there was one lot dropped out next to the West (old Down) track between Macedon and Woodend a while back. A few weeks back a second lot appeared in the same area but on the other side (ie old Up track)

Now more have appeared from Up side of Gisborne (where there has been a bunch of materials coming and going from the area up from the station car park) to Macedon and a few more on the Down side of Woodend.

I know V/Line are doing night works on the line ATM, this seems to be a pretty extensive re-sleepering program possibly in response to the TSRs put on the line last year or could simply be a coincidence.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
IIRC concrete only used on one of the two lines correct?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yes, only one line was upgraded to class 1 back in the early 2000s (stupidly, but at least they kept the second track for that bit...)
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
IIRC concrete only used on one of the two lines correct?
bevans
Yes, the East or old Down track has only seemingly received concretes on an as required basis and as PIMM says was not upgraded to class 1

This looks like a pretty major sleeper renewel going on in the Gizzy > Woodend section (and possibly a bit beyond) not just the usual which makes me think it might be in response to a track inspection conducted before TSRs were put on recently.

Probably wrong as usual though Laughing

***edit*** I should add for those who don't understand how the Bendigo line works on the double track South of Kyneton most peak services use the "fast lane" no matter whether they are up or down services. So in the AM peak Up trains use the West or old Down line and in the evening peak trains use the same line. So as a way of example my regular trains which are both counter-peak being the 07.41 Down Swan Hill and one of the evening Up services ex Castlemaine run on the slower East or old Up line. Therefore peak services tend to be timetabled faster than counter peak services to allow for the speed differences of the 2 tracks (plus of course usually having to give way on the single line section North of Kyneton which means being shunted into one of the crossing loops and waiting for an inevitably late running peak service to cross it).
  skitz Chief Commissioner

IIRC concrete only used on one of the two lines correct?
Yes, the East or old Down track has only seemingly received concretes on an as required basis and as PIMM says was not upgraded to class 1

This looks like a pretty major sleeper renewel going on in the Gizzy > Woodend section (and possibly a bit beyond) not just the usual which makes me think it might be in response to a track inspection conducted before TSRs were put on recently.

Probably wrong as usual though Laughing

***edit*** I should add for those who don't understand how the Bendigo line works on the double track South of Kyneton most peak services use the "fast lane" no matter whether they are up or down services. So in the AM peak Up trains use the West or old Down line and in the evening peak trains use the same line. So as a way of example my regular trains which are both counter-peak being the 07.41 Down Swan Hill and one of the evening Up services ex Castlemaine run on the slower East or old Up line. Therefore peak services tend to be timetabled faster than counter peak services to allow for the speed differences of the 2 tracks (plus of course usually having to give way on the single line section North of Kyneton which means being shunted into one of the crossing loops and waiting for an inevitably late running peak service to cross it).
BrentonGolding
The $2.50 solution of the scope cuts in 2004.   Gippsland line is much the same for the same reason.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Another big sleeper dropout on the Bendigo line sometime this week (I think) starting before the Elphi Tunnel (maybe from the end of the loop, I didn't see the start of it) in a Down direction right up to a point adjacent to Lodden Prison

There is a big stack at the Down end of the tunnel suggesting it too is going to get a makeover and this dropout has more sleepers that the one near Woodend so it appears that nearly every stick is going to be replaced. A couple of tractors on site this afternoon and a pile of ballast all ready to go.

Going to be interesting to see if it has any effect on the rough riding on the Chewton Bank.

***edit*** and WOW, is there some equipment parked at Gisborne this evening. A sea of Yellow. looks like a construction equipment trade fair!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
As an addendum to last night's post there were more sleepers spotted laid out in the section around Clarkefield from our slow running (extreme heat TT) service so this is a much bigger and more thorough re-sleepering project than I first thought

From my (limited) reading this work doesn't appear to be part of the Regional Rail Revival plan so I am not sure if it is catch-up maintenance, a result of the track inspections that led to the recent TSRs being applied or some other reason but it is great to see and will hopefully lead to a smoother ride and better ability of late running services to make up time.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I think you'll find it's an attempt to ditch the TSR which hobbles V/Los to 115 km/h on East track and elsewhere atm.

Also, the timber sleepers largely pre-date the RFR works in 2005, so many are life expired and cactus.

As for the Echuca line upgrade, RRA reckon that's been postponed because of cost overruns on the Ballarat line upgrade...
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I think you'll find it's an attempt to ditch the TSR which hobbles V/Los to 115 km/h on East track and elsewhere atm.

Also, the timber sleepers largely pre-date the RFR works in 2005, so many are life expired and cactus.

As for the Echuca line upgrade, RRA reckon that's been postponed because of cost overruns on the Ballarat line upgrade...
Carnot
Hmmm, thanks Carnot, lots of food for thought there! If they have run out of $$$ for the Echuca upgrade because of Ballarat then where is the money coming from for this work on the Bendigo line? Different part of the budget - ie maintenance vs capital works?

As I said before the amount of work going on ATM from Clarkefield to Castlemaine and possibly beyond is staggering. The sleepers dropped out would now number in the thousands not to mention ballast, sundries and every piece of plant and machinery that V/Line could muster sitting as Gizzy - I reckon there were at least 25 bits of machinery when we went through on Monday morning as well as the on-rail stuff parked in the siding.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I think you'll find it's an attempt to ditch the TSR which hobbles V/Los to 115 km/h on East track and elsewhere atm.

Also, the timber sleepers largely pre-date the RFR works in 2005, so many are life expired and cactus.

As for the Echuca line upgrade, RRA reckon that's been postponed because of cost overruns on the Ballarat line upgrade...
Hmmm, thanks Carnot, lots of food for thought there! If they have run out of $$$ for the Echuca upgrade because of Ballarat then where is the money coming from for this work on the Bendigo line? Different part of the budget - ie maintenance vs capital works?

As I said before the amount of work going on ATM from Clarkefield to Castlemaine and possibly beyond is staggering. The sleepers dropped out would now number in the thousands not to mention ballast, sundries and every piece of plant and machinery that V/Line could muster sitting as Gizzy - I reckon there were at least 25 bits of machinery when we went through on Monday morning as well as the on-rail stuff parked in the siding.
BrentonGolding
Looks like V/Line are trying to bring the Class 2 track up to Class 2M standard.  Not sure if that's considered capital or maintenance works.  A bit of both really.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
This announcement popped up on my phone this morning when I jumped on the V/Line app

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/Bendigo,-Echuca-and-Swan-Hill-Line-temporary-timet

It is dated 10th Jan but I must have missed it first time around.

The work on the Bendigo line is between Sunbury and Bendigo and involves the replacement of a whopping 48000 timber sleepers with new concrete sticks and is budgeted to cost a cool $16.1 Million! I'm impressed!

Works must be ramping up round about now as a new temporary TT came into effect yesterday due to some TSRs to bed in the work by the looks of it.

I would still love to know if this work was long-term planned or if it got prioritised due to the problems which caused the TSRs to be placed on some sections of the line.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
... and the sleeper dropout has continued since my trip on Monday with the section from adjacent Lodden Prison on the Down all the way to the Up end of Castlemaine Loop having been done between then and my trip this morning.

Work on the first section where I noticed the sleepers trackside which was Down side of Macedon Station to the Freeway overpass before Woodend appears to have been completed with the sticks nowhere to be seen and fresh new ballast shoulders sitting nice and high watching the trains passing by.

The SwanLander was going too fast for me to see the old vs new sleepers in the track and of course as all my trips are on the West or old Up track I can't see what work if any has been completed on the 'slow lane'.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

For what it’s worth I’m pretty confident these renewals are coming out of V/Line’s maintenance budget rather than RPV’s project budget. There’s no mention of any track improvement south of Bendigo on the Regional Rail Revival site and given the sheer volume of TSRs at the moment one would think the scope of works is probably barely sufficient to return the lines to their current standard.

That said, a couple of bits and pieces have been added to RPV’s folio over the last couple of months in what I can only assume is something of a response to the Murray Basin debacle. For instance the Ararat stabling facility, which has taken a ludicrous amount of time already, is now being supervised by RPV with V/Line as the lead contractor.

These things may seem small on their own but they are certainly congruent with the Andrews government’s policy of bringing all transport infrastructure matters as close to the Minister as possible.

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