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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Note I can see who thinks this is funny etc, I am watching and may act.
dthead
Could you kindly point me to the part of the RP terms of usage that says that someone using the "Funny" button is something that may be acted against?

Serious question, I read the Ts and Cs a couple of days ago and cannot see where that comes from.

BG

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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Thanks to Lowdnesj515, SinickleBird & j3z3z for their positive contribution.

for those delighting in telling others to read the linked article, please ensure you read moderator notes and note get your post deleted! This is a discussion forum not a simple site stating news. (news is a topic many hate I have noted). so people will ask questions. To me it's part of the discussion. It's how you answer that will attract my ire ! sometimes someone can simply answer and that's that. or someone may have extra info, or a lternate view on the exact item.

Note I can see who thinks this is funny etc, I am watching and may act.
dthead
David, so it is OK for a poster to post a link, and then ask a question that was clearly answered in the link that he posted?

In my (now deleted) reply to that effect, I pointed that out, and the poster then complained that he was being picked on. Note that I did not point out his typographical errors, or perhaps that was predictive text getting in the way.

We seem to have a few posters here, usually, but not always, in the News forum, who quite happily create a thread linked to a News Article, without it seems reading what the article actually stated.

Likewise, if the "Funny" and "Disagree" buttons are there, and used, it now seems that we are under threat of sanctions for doing so - that's what your post implies.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Any content can be acted on if  clicked or submitted as part of a post or review.  The fact you are now being a legal eagle, means what ?

You see the two posts are now in a new thread, which I theink was the point of your original  comments on another, if the post has a news article or reference, it seems one cannot ask a simple question - when others want you to read the article first. Discussion is asking thing, show alternate views or comment or providing information or facts not in the original article, or explain in another way to satisfy someone.

so, discuss !
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
For those wanting some context:

State run Railways
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399613.htm

New rail hub nearly complete in just six months
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2142066.htm#2142066

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To me asking simple questions is quite ok, it generates discussion. To tell someone it's in the original linked article is not helping. The article may be wrong, the link may break, or not load. I have noticed many a news article I told others about, after reading it. when I went back I needed to subscribe or log on to see it.

To me easier to give a simple answer. Or ask another question.

Would you rely on a lot of the sources of these articles ? And who is around to verify the "facts"  in them ?

Regards,
David Head
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I held off replying to this because there was no context, so thanks for that, David.

On the topic of verifying facts, you would hope the journalists would have verified them first but we *are* talking about journalism.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
As the one who probably started this, I might explain what happened for those ‘in the dark’.

Back on April 8, freightgate started a new News Forum topic, which contained a brief statement and a link to the article.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2142066.htm#2142066

All good so far, but he then went on to ask a question regarding when the first train might run.

I read the linked article, and the answer to his question was in the very first paragraph, and I replied to that effect.

Several others then made some posts, a couple of which took the thread off topic (though the posts themselves were excellent – and have since been resurrected into a separate thread).

Several days later, I had another look at the thread, and found that numerous posts had ‘gone missing’ and added a post advising that (I reported the thread at some stage too), and then on April 13, what is now the second post in the thread from dthead was made advising that posts had been deleted and advice to stay on topic.

A series of PM’s then took place between myself and dthead which has basically resulted in a stalemate.


So, a little criticism of a News Forum post has caused a furore, yet the dreadful racist posts in this thread https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399237.htm survived without any action being taken. Several people reported posts there, some even called for the thread to be deleted/locked, but nothing happened. – and the thread is still open. Why?



Railpage has lost many of its valuable and knowledgeable posters (I don’t claim to be either) in recent years, and it will only get worse unless some action is taken by the Administration.


As to me, well I am now going to return to the role that I had prior to 2007 – that being a lurker.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
As the one who probably started this, I might explain what happened for those ‘in the dark’.

So, a little criticism of a News Forum post has caused a furore, yet the dreadful racist posts in this thread https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399237.htm survived without any action being taken. Several people reported posts there, some even called for the thread to be deleted/locked, but nothing happened. – and the thread is still open. Why?
mikesyd
Well said Mike. And here was me thinking that it was me who started all this!

BG
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

For those wanting some context:

State run Railways
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399613.htm

New rail hub nearly complete in just six months
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2142066.htm#2142066

===========================================

To me asking simple questions is quite ok, it generates discussion. To tell someone it's in the original linked article is not helping. The article may be wrong, the link may break, or not load. I have noticed many a news article I told others about, after reading it. when I went back I needed to subscribe or log on to see it.

To me easier to give a simple answer. Or ask another question.

Would you rely on a lot of the sources of these articles ? And who is around to verify the "facts"  in them ?

Regards,
David Head
dthead
If a link is broken would it not be logical to point out that the link is broken, rather than torture valued and intelligent contributors with stupid questions?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Who verifies an article, etc ???
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Who verifies an article, etc ???
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Who verifies an article, etc ???
dthead
our lord and saviour Bevans of Course!
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Who verifies an article, etc ???
our lord and saviour Bevans of Course!
Dangersdan707
Actually it  cannot be Dan. someone first submits the news.  a admin or mod approves it. next anyperson then can wish to discuss it. It then appears in the news section for all to see.

I can freely admit ( and hundreds would agree) I am not a expert on railways, australia and anything the news may discuss. So who is an expert to verify an news item ?

So if an article is not verified, when someone asks a question, it can often be more  "can anyone confirm the xx is yy?" - and then the confirmation may be taken with a grain of salt, since we have so many users (legitimately) using usernames and not their own name .

So what do you do? assume it is true, take the time to read the article ( lucky most are short ) or ask a quick question, that others may answer and the matter done. I have read many an article and still had the same question in my mind after reading it which I wanted to know beforehand.

Regards,
David Head
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If a link is broken would it not be logical to point out that the link is broken, rather than torture valued and intelligent contributors with stupid questions?
fzr560


Interesting point. if there is a broken link report it so it can be either fixed, corrected etc.

Assuming people think the same way as you, and we know people do not think the same way as each other. And stupid  for some may be just a simple one for others.

Regards,
David Head
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
we know people do not think the same way as each other. And stupid  for some may be just a simple one for others.

Regards,
David Head
dthead

So this would seem to be a pointless thread then! Smile
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
we know people do not think the same way as each other. And stupid  for some may be just a simple one for others.

Regards,
David Head

So this would seem to be a pointless thread then! Smile
Graham4405
Basically, yes, how do you resolve the issue of asking a question of a linked article ?

I do not have the wisdom to answer  to satisfy all !

Regards,
David Head
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Railpage has lost many of its valuable and knowledgeable posters (I don’t claim to be either) in recent years, and it will only get worse unless some action is taken by the Administration.


As to me, well I am now going to return to the role that I had prior to 2007 – that being a lurker.
mikesyd
Well mikesyd, if you do go into hiding, I for one think it's a shame, your contribution to RP has been great, some excellent photo's of the rebuilding of the line to Maryborough, conversion further up the line and tonnes of pictures at and along the line at Murrayville.

Your posts have always been informative and appreciated and adds to the great sources of info, we all benefit from, be being on here.

Is it worth jumping over board because things have gone a bit over the top, as a result of firing a few shots around the place.

Can we rearrange the deck chairs a resume our positions.

BigShunter.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Who really cares about verifying any posts on the service when they are all opinions. This is one of the great things about the site you can have an opinion.

Steady on Mike’s us we do t always have to agree about everything on the internet but the services does allow for liberal discussions.

Nothing is perfect.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Who verifies an article, etc ???
our lord and saviour Bevans of Course!
Dangersdan707

I don't VERIFY any articles to any real level, I do read them mostly and look for spelling mistakes and that is about all unless I write one.  What you see is what you get with articles just like forum posts none of which contain a warranty.  If the article has come in via RSS or API then the source is automatically added to the article and can be found at the bottom of the item.

Moderation is a difficult thing to do and we all walk a fine line in the context of this.  Those moderators still working the site do their very best and we never say every call is perfect but we do try our best.  

We hope this is all the users can really ask for our best.  We will never be perfect and it will never be perfect like it isn't on other platforms.  But we are well and truly still here online since 1992.  

I guess our commitment to the users is one of we will always approach with balance.

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