50 level crossings to be removed

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.

The 2 Werribee crossings
The Glenroy crossing
The Upfield line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The Mernda line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The 2 on the Lilydale line.
The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland



The whole point of escalators is that even if they aren't working they are still essentially a set of stairs.
simstrain
The safety gurus say no to this, ans say an out of service escalator must be barricaded off.



This Is way off the subject of level crossing removals !
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.

The 2 Werribee crossings
The Glenroy crossing
The Upfield line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The Mernda line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The 2 on the Lilydale line.
The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line.
True Believers
Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line.
Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
LancedDendrite

If that's the case...it will be the ones former Opposition leader Guy tried to get up in the state election at Pakenham. McMillan, now Dunkley held by the Libs.

Mike.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.

The 2 Werribee crossings
The Glenroy crossing
The Upfield line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The Mernda line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The 2 on the Lilydale line.
The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line.
Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
LancedDendrite
I was talking about the design solutions at those sites. Nothing to do with the Federal government.

If the Federal government wanted to follow the state Liberal opposition, they should instead not support level crossing removals and fund their crazy 55 road grade separation scheme. Oh, that idea has been thrown in the trash can, hasn't it?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Their crazy 55 road grade separation scheme. Oh, that idea has been thrown in the trash can, hasn't it?
True Believers
It sure has, along with Matty Guy himself.

I can't see level crossing removals being a Federal Issue, the feds may like to say they will throw a bucket load of cash at a crossing of their choosing, but the State Government Is the one who has to make It happen, If they have no plans for the chosen crossing, well It ain't going to happen any time In the short - median term.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I can't see level crossing removals being a Federal Issue, the feds may like to say they will throw a bucket load of cash at a crossing of their choosing, but the State Government Is the one who has to make It happen, If they have no plans for the chosen crossing, well It ain't going to happen any time In the short - median term.
Nightfire

While level crossings are not a federal issue. The Federal Government did fund partially on the Main Road Level crossing removal. Federal governments can help the state fund existing projects.

Wouldn't it be nice if they fund buckets loads of cash on existing projects instead of creating their own projects for their own benefit of keeping the marginal seat?

Oh, wait I forgot how the pork barrelling technique is used when the government is in trouble.

This federal government is trying to give money to Victoria in projects that aren't on their short-medium term agenda. Like the East-West Link, Geelong high-speed rail and now the Glenferrie level crossing.

Yet the Federal government refused to fund the Metro tunnel project, argued whether to fund regional rail and now funding the imaginary projects to suit their own agenda.

Kick the current mob out, they're being very desperate and wanna pork barrel on our infrastructure.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

It sure has, along with Matty Guy himself.
Nightfire

That's a relief.  The road intersection separation project was the worst idea I'd heard in years.  That alone panicked me about the possibility of a VicLib government.

Really hope that idea is well and truly cremated before the point off in the future somewhere when the Libs get back in down here.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.

The 2 Werribee crossings
The Glenroy crossing
The Upfield line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The Mernda line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The 2 on the Lilydale line.
The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line.
Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
I was talking about the design solutions at those sites. Nothing to do with the Federal government.
True Believers
Federal politics has quite a lot to do with level crossing removals these days. Large amounts of Commonwealth money has funded the level crossing removal funding, ranging from direct grants (Furlong Main project) to asset recycling funding from the Victorian Government's lease of the Port of Melbourne.

Last week the Federal Coalition announced funding for the removal of Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong without any State Government consent. Grade separation design solutions are now a State-Federal whipping boy as well - not just the funding. The Victorian Government is actively campaigning against the current Federal government on a few fronts and infrastructure is one of them.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Federal politics has quite a lot to do with level crossing removals these days. Large amounts of Commonwealth money has funded the level crossing removal funding, ranging from direct grants (Furlong Main project) to asset recycling funding from the Victorian Government's lease of the Port of Melbourne.

Last week the Federal Coalition announced funding for the removal of Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong without any State Government consent. Grade separation design solutions are now a State-Federal whipping boy as well - not just the funding. The Victorian Government is actively campaigning against the current Federal government on a few fronts and infrastructure is one of them.
LancedDendrite
This would be the same Federal Govt (nee Department bureaucrats), that gave us the design solutions for
NE line, Murray Basin , Melbourne Airport, Inland Rail.

Their big money and design "expertise ??" worked out really well (NOT) - and the State Govt has to pick up the pieces and try to build those crap ideas.

Now they want to muscle in on the one project (LXRA) that actually makes some sense.
How long before they try to re-design Metro tunnel and SRL also ? (oops they already have - MARL !!).

Dan the Man has at least set the precedent with Metro tunnel - the State decides what is the best solution, and will go it alone if needs be.

NB: I don't count the Feds contribution to Furlong Rd, as a LXRA contribution. It was a sop to the former Govt at election time, and a design not well thought through.

cheers
John
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.
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Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
I was talking about the design solutions at those sites. Nothing to do with the Federal government.
Federal politics has quite a lot to do with level crossing removals these days. Large amounts of Commonwealth money has funded the level crossing removal funding, ranging from direct grants (Furlong Main project) to asset recycling funding from the Victorian Government's lease of the Port of Melbourne.

Last week the Federal Coalition announced funding for the removal of Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong without any State Government consent. Grade separation design solutions are now a State-Federal whipping boy as well - not just the funding. The Victorian Government is actively campaigning against the current Federal government on a few fronts and infrastructure is one of them.
LancedDendrite

You're right the Federal government can heavily assist on major infrastructure projects, such as grants and asset recycling. The Federal Government did help fund a bulk of the Regional Rail Link project.

But what I have a problem is with the influence of decision making by the current Federal government. This Federal Liberal Government is not working with the state Labor government instead of working against it. In my view, the state and the federal government should co-operate and get along funding the infrastructure that isn't imaginary and is committed.

Essentially transport infrastructure is decided by the states, not the Federal government, as the federal government is meant to assist with infrastructure projects that are happening in the immediate term, not ones they want.

This shouldn't have happened at all. The states decide the transport infrastructure, not the other way around. This current federal mob should be ashamed of themselves pork barrelling everything just to get their way and this isn't the first time.

They wanted to only commit to the Metro Tunnel project if the state government changed it to include South Yarra station. The East-West link project was canceled in 2015, but still, think it's acceptable to keep money in a lockbox. They haven't committed a single dollar towards the planning of the suburban rail loop project which helped state Labor government to have huge swings in the eastern suburbs. It took the Federal government a very long time to come to an agreement to fund regional rail.

Also, remember the federal government went to show support for Baxter rail for the state Liberal opposition. They made it look like it was only happening under the Liberals, but when you find out Labor has a business case for it, you'd wonder why they didn't fund Labor's business case for Baxter rail, instead choosing the opposition unfunded plan.

It's kinda ridiculous stunt telling the state government we won't help you fund this, cause we don't like it when it's not even their responsibility to make the choices on most of the infrastructure built within the state.

The only transport infrastructure project that should be developed by the Federal government is the high-speed rail line btw the states, but it's unlikely they'll commit to this either.

What a shame it has to come to this. The federal government should fund projects that exist and only decide on infrastructure that has national significance.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.

The 2 Werribee crossings
The Glenroy crossing
The Upfield line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The Mernda line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings)
The 2 on the Lilydale line.
The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line.
True Believers
This is an accumulation of data from multiple sources and some of the later years have to be taken with a grain of salt; e.g. there is nothing definite that I've found for 2024 or 2025 so what is left over after 2023 has been lumped together in 2025. This is not official and subject to change according to the whims of LXRA.

Starting this year – finished 2020

Moreland Rd Brunswick & Coburg crossings - Upfield line
Evans Rd Lyndhurst


Starting 2020 – finished 2021/2

Sth Gippsland Hwy Dandenong



Completion by 2021

Old Geelong Rd Hoppers Crossing & Werribee crossings
Ferguson Rd Williamstown

Completion by 2022

Glenroy Rd Glenroy
Surrey Hills, Mont Albert, & Lilydale pair
Hallam Rd Hallam, Clyde Rd Berwick
Chelsea crossings

Completion by 2023

Cranbourne line crossings

Complete by 2025

Gap Rd Sunbury
Pakenham crossings
Preston crossings Sth Morang line
Deer Park/Ardeer line crossings
Glen Huntley & Neerim Rds
Frankston to Baxter crossings

Neil
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.
''
Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
I was talking about the design solutions at those sites. Nothing to do with the Federal government.
Federal politics has quite a lot to do with level crossing removals these days. Large amounts of Commonwealth money has funded the level crossing removal funding, ranging from direct grants (Furlong Main project) to asset recycling funding from the Victorian Government's lease of the Port of Melbourne.

Last week the Federal Coalition announced funding for the removal of Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong without any State Government consent. Grade separation design solutions are now a State-Federal whipping boy as well - not just the funding. The Victorian Government is actively campaigning against the current Federal government on a few fronts and infrastructure is one of them.

You're right the Federal government can heavily assist on major infrastructure projects, such as grants and asset recycling. The Federal Government did help fund a bulk of the Regional Rail Link project.

But what I have a problem is with the influence of decision making by the current Federal government. This Federal Liberal Government is not working with the state Labor government instead of working against it. In my view, the state and the federal government should co-operate and get along funding the infrastructure that isn't imaginary and is committed.

Essentially transport infrastructure is decided by the states, not the Federal government, as the federal government is meant to assist with infrastructure projects that are happening in the immediate term, not ones they want.

This shouldn't have happened at all. The states decide the transport infrastructure, not the other way around. This current federal mob should be ashamed of themselves pork barrelling everything just to get their way and this isn't the first time.

They wanted to only commit to the Metro Tunnel project if the state government changed it to include South Yarra station. The East-West link project was canceled in 2015, but still, think it's acceptable to keep money in a lockbox. They haven't committed a single dollar towards the planning of the suburban rail loop project which helped state Labor government to have huge swings in the eastern suburbs. It took the Federal government a very long time to come to an agreement to fund regional rail.

Also, remember the federal government went to show support for Baxter rail for the state Liberal opposition. They made it look like it was only happening under the Liberals, but when you find out Labor has a business case for it, you'd wonder why they didn't fund Labor's business case for Baxter rail, instead choosing the opposition unfunded plan.

It's kinda ridiculous stunt telling the state government we won't help you fund this, cause we don't like it when it's not even their responsibility to make the choices on most of the infrastructure built within the state.

The only transport infrastructure project that should be developed by the Federal government is the high-speed rail line btw the states, but it's unlikely they'll commit to this either.

What a shame it has to come to this. The federal government should fund projects that exist and only decide on infrastructure that has national significance.
True Believers
I completely agree with all the sentiments expressed above .
I however DO feel the feds have a role in assisting with funding the Airport Rail Link as this is also a project of National Infrastructure significance .
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Anyone have any idea which ones from the original 50 will be next to be announced.
''
Figure out which ones are in marginal Federal seats and you'll see which ones get announced before the 18th of May.
I was talking about the design solutions at those sites. Nothing to do with the Federal government.
Federal politics has quite a lot to do with level crossing removals these days. Large amounts of Commonwealth money has funded the level crossing removal funding, ranging from direct grants (Furlong Main project) to asset recycling funding from the Victorian Government's lease of the Port of Melbourne.

Last week the Federal Coalition announced funding for the removal of Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong without any State Government consent. Grade separation design solutions are now a State-Federal whipping boy as well - not just the funding. The Victorian Government is actively campaigning against the current Federal government on a few fronts and infrastructure is one of them.

You're right the Federal government can heavily assist on major infrastructure projects, such as grants and asset recycling. The Federal Government did help fund a bulk of the Regional Rail Link project.

But what I have a problem is with the influence of decision making by the current Federal government. This Federal Liberal Government is not working with the state Labor government instead of working against it. In my view, the state and the federal government should co-operate and get along funding the infrastructure that isn't imaginary and is committed.

Essentially transport infrastructure is decided by the states, not the Federal government, as the federal government is meant to assist with infrastructure projects that are happening in the immediate term, not ones they want.

This shouldn't have happened at all. The states decide the transport infrastructure, not the other way around. This current federal mob should be ashamed of themselves pork barrelling everything just to get their way and this isn't the first time.

They wanted to only commit to the Metro Tunnel project if the state government changed it to include South Yarra station. The East-West link project was canceled in 2015, but still, think it's acceptable to keep money in a lockbox. They haven't committed a single dollar towards the planning of the suburban rail loop project which helped state Labor government to have huge swings in the eastern suburbs. It took the Federal government a very long time to come to an agreement to fund regional rail.

Also, remember the federal government went to show support for Baxter rail for the state Liberal opposition. They made it look like it was only happening under the Liberals, but when you find out Labor has a business case for it, you'd wonder why they didn't fund Labor's business case for Baxter rail, instead choosing the opposition unfunded plan.

It's kinda ridiculous stunt telling the state government we won't help you fund this, cause we don't like it when it's not even their responsibility to make the choices on most of the infrastructure built within the state.

The only transport infrastructure project that should be developed by the Federal government is the high-speed rail line btw the states, but it's unlikely they'll commit to this either.

What a shame it has to come to this. The federal government should fund projects that exist and only decide on infrastructure that has national significance.
I completely agree with all the sentiments expressed above .
I however DO feel the feds have a role in assisting with funding the Airport Rail Link as this is also a project of National Infrastructure significance .
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Cardinia Road will see road over rail, new renders are up on LXRA https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/cardinia-road-fast-tracked-for-removal


Clyde Road will also be fast-tracked, no renders yet.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Skyrail for Upfield and Mernda lines.  A shame they aren't duplicating the single track section North of Gowrie:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/level-crossing-blitz-to-see-8-gone-in-melbournes-north/
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

With these recent announcements

Out of the original 50:
The Upfield line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings) Gone by 2020

The Mernda line elevated rail (removing 4 crossings) Gone by 2021

The remaining 2 on the Pakenham line, reduced to one last one at Hallam Road. Clyde Road Gone by 2022

From the extra 25 crossings.
The Mernda and Upfield elevated rail include the extra 5 level crossings added on top of the 3 from the original 50.
Cardinia Road will be removed by 2021.

This mean 7 level crossings from the extra 25 list will be gone before 2022. And so far, 43 level crossings from the original 50 to being complete before 2022. Also, the 2 extra crossings (on the Frankston line) neither from the original 50, or the 25 nominated will also be removed before 2022.

This is what remains from the original 50. 7 level crossing removals are still yet to be decided.
The 2 Werribee crossings (Old Geelong Road may be added)
The Williamstown crossing
The Glenroy crossing
The 2 on the Lilydale line.
The Hallam Road crossing

If all goes to plan, 52 (43+2+7) level crossings will be removed by 2022, which means the government has met the commitment it set back in 2014.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Skyrail for Upfield and Mernda lines.  A shame they aren't duplicating the single track section North of Gowrie:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/level-crossing-blitz-to-see-8-gone-in-melbournes-north/
Carnot
Is it true that the aqueduct at Reservoir precluded a trench even though it crosses the railway a little further south? Also, I wonder if there are underground services along the Upfield line that make lowering the tracks difficult.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Is it true that the aqueduct at Reservoir precluded a trench even though it crosses the railway a little further south? Also, I wonder if there are underground services along the Upfield line that make lowering the tracks difficult.
Myrtone
I don't think it matters. Skyrail is rightfully the default option now. It's cheaper, more visually appealing, less disruptive and creates more open space. It's a win win for everyone.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

What Reubstar said.

I would also add that the state election last year showed that the general public's response to SkyRail has been far more positive than the negative campaign suggested.

Cheaper, easier, and better outcome for pedestrians etc.  Only negatives are if you don't like the visual of a bridge, or if you get overshadowed (which is a legitimate annoyance).
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Skyrail for Upfield and Mernda lines.  A shame they aren't duplicating the single track section North of Gowrie:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/level-crossing-blitz-to-see-8-gone-in-melbournes-north/
Is it true that the aqueduct at Reservoir precluded a trench even though it crosses the railway a little further south? Also, I wonder if there are underground services along the Upfield line that make lowering the tracks difficult.
Myrtone
As a former resident of Coburg who lived about 200m from the Upfield line, I can tell you it was the geotechnical conditions that made the decision for 'rail over'.

Where I lived, there was about 1-1.5 metres of clay on the surface with bluestone underneath. Digging a trench in deep into the bluestone would've been horrendous. At least with the elevated solution, they'll only need to go down a little bit through the clay before they find hard rock to anchor the pylons.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Federal politics has quite a lot to do with level crossing removals these days. Large amounts of Commonwealth money has funded the level crossing removal funding, ranging from direct grants (Furlong Main project) to asset recycling funding from the Victorian Government's lease of the Port of Melbourne.

Last week the Federal Coalition announced funding for the removal of Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong without any State Government consent. Grade separation design solutions are now a State-Federal whipping boy as well - not just the funding. The Victorian Government is actively campaigning against the current Federal government on a few fronts and infrastructure is one of them.
This would be the same Federal Govt (nee Department bureaucrats), that gave us the design solutions for
NE line, Murray Basin , Melbourne Airport, Inland Rail.

Their big money and design "expertise ??" worked out really well (NOT) - and the State Govt has to pick up the pieces and try to build those crap ideas.
justarider
Some cognitive dissonance there JAR? 'The Department bureaucrats' does not do the design solutions for Victorian rail projects. Victoria's rail bureaucracy was able to FUBAR at least two of those Victorian rail projects without the Department's assistance. They just needed Commonwealth money. Arguably the ARTC projects are in the same boat.

The Project Proposal Reports that go to the Commonwealth for these projects most certainly outlined the proposed design and construction approach and costings for the Commonwealth to assess. If you're pointing the finger over the arguably poor outcomes for rail projects in Victoria, look closer to home first.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Where I lived, there was about 1-1.5 metres of clay on the surface with bluestone underneath. Digging a trench in deep into the bluestone would've been horrendous. At least with the elevated solution, they'll only need to go down a little bit through the clay before they find hard rock to anchor the pylons.
SEMartin
Can anyone here elaborate on this?

By the way, four level crossings on the Upfield line was simply closed just over twenty years ago, these being Barkley, Pheonix and Tinning streets in Brunswick and Shorts road in North Coburg. The three south of Moreland station are still open to pedestrians.
Might the grade separation work around Moreland and Coburg make way for at least one more level crossing closure?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Can anyone here elaborate on this?
Myrtone

Little digger meet big rock. Big rock say no go deeper. Little digger make big boom. Little digger contractor go kaching.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Yep, basalt is a pig to excavate.  Much easier and quicker to Skyrail it.

And I'm also not surprised that they're keeping the Brunswick Rd LX crossing too.  It's already a steep 1 in 50 from Royal Park to Jewell Station, so Skyrail wouldn't work there I would imagine.

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