Jason Modica backs Mildura to Broken Hill transcontinental rail link

 

News article: Jason Modica backs Mildura to Broken Hill transcontinental rail link

A RAIL link from Mildura to Broken Hill has the support of independent Mallee candidate Jason Modica.

  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Ok I admit I get some things wrong around news items but how will this link open up Mildura to Asia and how will a few level crossing removals and track upgrades help?

I am confused, do they expect to send freight north to Darwin via Broken Hill and across to Port Augusta is that the plan?

I would suggest running into Sydney from Miludra would be good or running better from Sydney and Parkes via Mildura to Adelaide would be a shorter route for trains which could then avoid going further west and coming back into Adelaide from the West?

Jason Modica backs Mildura to Broken Hill transcontinental rail link

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A search of the internet failed to reveal any further details but I like the idea.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Reopening the Pinnaroo line and standardising the last remaining broad gauge section would be a far better move. Mildura would get relatively direct access to the Adelaide-Darwin rail corridor AND to Port Adelaide.

A nice by-product would be that the Melbourne-Adelaide section of the East-West corridor would gain a diversion option, allowing ARTC more freedom to work on upgrades to parts of the mainline without being restricted to a few hours of possession at a time.

Maybe this push is just an ambit claim designed to make the Pinnaroo option look better?
  Travelling Hooker Locomotive Fireman

Location: Follows the weather up and down the coast
Is Jason Modica Vinelander’s son-in-law?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Ok I admit I get some things wrong around news items but how will this link open up Mildura to Asia and how will a few level crossing removals and track upgrades help?

I am confused, do they expect to send freight north to Darwin via Broken Hill and across to Port Augusta is that the plan?

I would suggest running into Sydney from Miludra would be good or running better from Sydney and Parkes via Mildura to Adelaide would be a shorter route for trains which could then avoid going further west and coming back into Adelaide from the West?
x31
Land-bridging freight to Asia from Darwin is nonsense, as was proven back in 2004 when the Alice Springs to Darwin line opened. The only thing land-bridging is good for is finding out if someone knows anything about commercial logistics.

The economics of a Mildura to Broken Hill line (sometimes referred to as the 'Transcon Link') are based largely around the prospect of mineral sand traffic originating along the new line. Nothing but mineral traffic will make the line stack up, particularly given that the area is road train country.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Business case...?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The transcon is nothing more than Victoria trying to pull the freight their way.  Makes no sense.

More sense would be an east west connection to Hay and Port Augusta ish.  Better freight connection to key markets in Sydney, Adelaide and Perth (Brisbane too).
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Business case is that trains to/from vic can be double stacked and be 1.8km long, and they don't need to traverse the Adelaide Hills.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well, if it's backed by someone like Jason Modica it has to be good, er, doesn't it?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Business case is that trains to/from vic can be double stacked and be 1.8km long, and they don't need to traverse the Adelaide Hills.
ANR
Considering the freight on rail from Adelaide across to Perth is over 80% and Darwin 90%, how much is lost between Melbourne and Perth and Darwin to road because of this issue?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Business case is that trains to/from vic can be double stacked and be 1.8km long, and they don't need to traverse the Adelaide Hills.
ANR

That would not be a bad thing really and the mineral sands traffic would be a good use of the line but Balranald as a lot of the mineral sands also so consider as mentioned in the thread a line from Mildura to Hay via Balranald?
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Ok I admit I get some things wrong around news items but how will this link open up Mildura to Asia and how will a few level crossing removals and track upgrades help?

I am confused, do they expect to send freight north to Darwin via Broken Hill and across to Port Augusta is that the plan?

I would suggest running into Sydney from Miludra would be good or running better from Sydney and Parkes via Mildura to Adelaide would be a shorter route for trains which could then avoid going further west and coming back into Adelaide from the West?

Jason Modica backs Mildura to Broken Hill transcontinental rail link
x31
A cheaper option to connect Mildura to the East West line (I'm not seriously proposing it) is Red Cliffs to Tailem Bend via Loxton. It is about 300k and all but about 50k is on existing railway right of way. A total rebuild of the track would be required but that is simple. The corridor is a railway's greatest asset.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Business case is that trains to/from vic can be double stacked and be 1.8km long, and they don't need to traverse the Adelaide Hills.
ANR
This benefit has been studied before and it didn't stack up (pun intended) when it was included in the business cases. Firstly, there are a number of overbridges that don't have double-stack clearance on the Geelong-Ballarat-Mildura corridor, particularly between Geelong and out just past Ballarat, so they have to be tacked on to the project to achieve double-stack-compatible clearances for the entire route. Not a huge extra cost, but it adds up.

Second, the disbenefits of not going to Adelaide are too great for most freight services (PN & SCT have busy yards in Adelaide). What happens these days instead is that the well wagons used for double-stack container traffic come from Melbourne with a single stack of containers on them and the Adelaide loading is put on top to make a double-stacked load. Once the Inland Railway is finally built the benefits will be even more marginal, as Melbourne-Perth loadings could be hooked on to Melbourne-Brisbane services at transferred to the East-West line at Parkes - on 1800m long double-stacked trains, no less.

Reopening the Pinnaroo line and standardising the last remaining broad gauge section would be a far better move. Mildura would get relatively direct access to the Adelaide-Darwin rail corridor AND to Port Adelaide.
justapassenger
It'd be nicer still if Viterra actually wanted to use the Pinnaroo line to cart grain, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen so the idea is a non-starter.

Maybe this push is just an ambit claim designed to make the Pinnaroo option look better?
justapassenger
I'd be more worried about whether Jason knew what an ambit claim was before asking whether he's the sort of five-dimensional chessmaster that tries to pull off that sort of trick.

More sense would be an east west connection to Hay and Port Augusta ish. Better freight connection to key markets in Sydney, Adelaide and Perth (Brisbane too).
james.au
In my opinion one of the great 'what-ifs' of 20th century Australian railway history is whether the Commonwealth should've extended the Hay line to Wentworth, Morgan and thenceforth to Crystal Brook as part of the East-West corridor. It would've been a high-cost but high-benefit line for the region but of course it was also total political anathema for NSW and Victoria as all the benefits would go to Adelaide with it then becoming the closest port city.

Perhaps if SA had somehow moved its borders say 50km eastward to include Broken Hill then we mightn't be discussing this as a hypothetical...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I suppose the if you were building interstate railways today from scratch with the existing population centres, where would you build them and how much does this differ from today?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Future transcontinental rail freight corridor construction in Australia (if any happens at all) will be along routes already established by major road transport corridors - that's where the market wants the freight to go. As this map shows, the Mildura to Broken Hill line may have some relevance to local regional freight, but not much else.

http://maps.infrastructure.gov.au/KeyFreightRoute/
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I wondered who this person is and see that he is running as an independent candidate.

So this idea is from a candidate in the Federal election. Do we count the ideas from all candidates from all over Australia? So we will all get monorails in a town near you.

This won't get up. Is it a current project for IA? Nup.

Is it part of the Libs, ALP or Nats policy? Nup.

If this candidate is elected then the only chance for him to get on the agenda is to be a independent in a Minority Government such as Cathy McGowan, Tony Windsor etc. Even it pans out to be a minority government (there is a chance) then the chance of this getting up, I doubt it.

Nice idea for a local constituency, but on a national scale, other projects will provide better bang for our tax payer bucks for investment and this will be down at the bottom of the list, like linking Qld with NT. A great nice idea, but won't happen.

If a government forms a majority in the lower house, then this will have 0% chance to even be studied in this next term of government.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Red cliffs to Loxton is not a bad idea but connect Mildura to the north cia mineral sands deposits and large grain growing areas is also a good idea.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Have to give him credit, as a independent candidate, for at least getting some media profile.

I have 6 candidates for my House of Reps seat, of which the only name I recognise is the incumbent (ALP) member. Granted she is safe enough that the doesn’t need to campaign, and is currently carrying Bill Shorten’s briefcase someplace.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Red cliffs to Loxton is not a bad idea but connect Mildura to the north cia mineral sands deposits and large grain growing areas is also a good idea.
freightgate

A line from Hay to Mildura to Loxton or Murrayville then to Adelaide would provide a backup link between Brisbane/Sydney/Inland Rail to Adelaide and VV when traffic cannot run via Broken Hill and Crystal Brook for Adelaide/X (eastern OZ) pairs.  I would like to see this happen as I think about it today.  There was and probably is a lot of trucking traffic from Western NSW to Adelaide and onto Perth.  Mineral Sands are previously discussed and the MIA heading West.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
If this candidate is elected then the only chance for him to get on the agenda is to be a independent in a Minority Government such as Cathy McGowan, Tony Windsor etc. Even it pans out to be a minority government (there is a chance) then the chance of this getting up, I doubt it.
Big J
Not quite.  If Labor wins, then all the independents in country areas that have no chance of ever going Labor but every chance of going back to LNP will be lavished.  See what happened to Shepparton when you had an independent (Suzanna Sheed) in a Labor majority government.  They know if they keep her there that is one less seat that the LNP will be able to have.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I suppose the if you were building interstate railways today from scratch with the existing population centres, where would you build them and how much does this differ from today?
RTT_Rules
You'd build them within highway/motorway corridors and bypass city centres. If you look at the major corridors (courtesy of Sulla1's linked map), only the Sturt Hwy (Adelaide-Riverina), Newell Highway (to be covered by Inland Rail), the southern parts of the Carnarvon/Dawson/Gregory Hwy in inland Queensland and the Tennant Creek - Mt Isa link aren't covered by rail already.

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