You still haven't shown how a minute increase in CO2 is doing all this.  It has to be the most dangerous chemical on Earth.   Here I was thinking it was the lifeblood of the planet.

Co2 is bad...when it gets out of balance, as it's slowly doing right now due to human induced global warming.

This is incremental and will happen over decades...not just a few years as Don Dunstan is proclaiming.

Mike.

I have been waiting all campaign for BS Billy to tell his union mates he is willing to sacrifice their jobs to save the planet.
CFMEU supports the forestry and mining unions.  
By stopping logging he will be not reducing the number of CO2 sucking trees that are vital to stop the rise of CO2.
And I hardly need to mention closing all the coal mines that export that nasty stuff overseas to be used to make electricity.    (That would make Australia broke instantly! )
Hypocrite.

Standing in a polling booth line with a tea in hand waiting to cast my vote in a chilly Albury.

Put in my vote just now. Tried to go to the polling place early to avoid queues, turns out, a few dozen people had the same idea.

I heard a few snippets of conversations in the q this morning. The common complaint: it won't change anything, lack of quality candidates, lack of vision, let's get it over with...

Defeatist ... But understandable.

Tried to go to the polling place early to avoid queues, turns out, a few dozen people had the same idea.

You have three options:-
Go in the rush that goes early to beat the rush;
Go when the rush is on;
Go with the rush that waits until the rush is over.

I'm sorry but this is plain ignorance. Global temperatures have clearly been rising. According to the reliable National Geographic, the last five years have been the hottest on record! It's astonishing that we're still having this "debate".

As Donald pointed out there's actually no direct evidence that increasing carbon dioxide is the culprit. Zip. And also "hottest on record" is meaningless considering the records only actually go back a hundred years or so. The earth has had much higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in past and survived - why do people think the planet will not survive increasing carbon dioxide this time?

Is all this speculation really worth spending a trillion dollars on? Bill Shorten thinks so.

Tried to go to the polling place early to avoid queues, turns out, a few dozen people had the same idea.

You have three options:-
Go in the rush that goes early to beat the rush;
Go when the rush is on;
Go with the rush that waits until the rush is over.

Or vote last week like I did...

You still haven't shown how a minute increase in CO2 is doing all this.  It has to be the most dangerous chemical on Earth.   Here I was thinking it was the lifeblood of the planet.

Co2 is bad...when it gets out of balance, as it's slowly doing right now due to human induced global warming.

This is incremental and will happen over decades...not just a few years as Don Dunstan is proclaiming.

Mike.

So when I can expect the catastrophic cyclones wiping out Sydney as was predicated? When do we see all the mainland reservoirs dry up?

Failed predictions equal a false prophet. Ignore them, the world is NOT ending. I'll stake my life on it.

Plenary voting at my booth and strong show for all parties. Glad  it’s over.

Furthermore, the predictions for Tuvalu and The Maldives to go underwater are still years away. The point is that we must act now. Have you seen the videos of huge ice sheets melting? Have you seen the diagrams of the vast loss of ice in the Arctic?

No, we were confidently told about fifteen years ago that those places would definitely be underwater by now - we were told unequivocally that there would be visceral, definite signs of the world ending by now.

Where is it?

http://www.moyak.com/papers/tuvalu-climate-change.html

http://www.moyak.com/papers/tuvalu-climate-change.html

Tuvalu is growing, not sinking. And before you say "right wing news source", this is from none other than the ABC.

Try again.

This is incremental and will happen over decades...not just a few years as Don Dunstan is proclaiming.

Mike.

I never said that - it was the 'experts' from 15-20 years ago preaching doom who stated we'd all been rooned by 2020, the sky would be blood red and the four horsemen of the climate change doom would be here.

Climate change and the 'poison' of carbon dioxide is a church with a belief system that is not supported by reality. The problem is that these zealots are sending the nation broke by not allowing us to use coal and insisting that we transition to capital intensive, expensive and unreliable sources of energy.

Don, you picked one article out on the page, amongst a bevy of others that say different. As it is sea level rise is only part of the problem, more frequent storm surges and other issues due to climate change are going to cause the islands to become uninhabitable before the end of the century. Anyway I'm not spending all afternoon trawling through this stuff again, and again, coz there's horses to be backed at Morphettville and Flemington.

Solidarity forever Comrade.

Ignore them, the world is NOT ending. I'll stake my life on it.

Of course. The Earth's not going to be absorbed by the sun for another few billion years. It's just that human life might not last that long. I'm a young person. If action isn't taken now, my life is going to be full of hearing about or being affected in refugee crises, flooding of cities, wars fought over dwindling water supplies, huge famines, etc.
I do not want the selfish actions of a few old people, such as Rupert Murdoch who has too much influence over Australia, to screw my future because of their quick dollar today.
If you seriously don't believe in the greenhouse effect because of some bizarre mistrust of scientists, why don't you test the "theory" of gravity?

expensive and unreliable sources of energy.

Renewables are cheaper than coal now. It has also been shown that Renewables+Batteries lead to almost instantaneous response times to power shortages, which is an increase in reliability.

No, we were confidently told about fifteen years ago that those places would definitely be underwater by now - we were told unequivocally that there would be visceral, definite signs of the world ending by now.

I don't know who you might have been listening to 15 years ago. Could well have been some right wing news source uninterested in the science of things. No one can say for sure exactly what will happen in the next few years, but, due to the change in climate, we can be sure that there will be a higher frequency of storms and other natural disasters. We can also be sure that the ice will continue to melt and sea levels will continue to rise.

Failed predictions equal a false prophet.

What an absurd comment! We cannot be sure of the future. You seem to be coming to the conclusion that climate change is some sort of religion. Even if that was the case, it still wouldn't be as bad as Christianity and Islam, which have created several armed conflicts and discriminated against anyone unfavourable to powerful men for centuries.

Is all this speculation really worth spending a trillion dollars on? Bill Shorten thinks so.

Not sure where you're pulling these figures from. This isn't speculation. This is nearly every educated scientist saying that it is going to happen. Science is designed around things being questioned. Climate change has seen vigorous criticism, not just by misinformed people like you but by equally qualified and educated people. However, it has rightfully surpassed that stage. Rather than continuing to help the small percentage of people who have things to gain by oppressing future generations for their riches today, let's get a move on now, and actually save money.

Just finished voting job done.  Lots of people queuing up and candidates for the seat were in attendance.  Greens had a good showing the booth as did the Socialist Party.

$10 says Bill dedicates his win and /or pauses to reflect on ole Bob this evening??

Regards

Tried to go to the polling place early to avoid queues, turns out, a few dozen people had the same idea.

You have three options:-
Go in the rush that goes early to beat the rush;
Go when the rush is on;
Go with the rush that waits until the rush is over.

Never found a queue at 5:30pm and most of those handing stuff out have left or run out.

A few months ago I got the impression that the ALP might romp it in by 12 or more seats, now I'm not so sure, they could still do that based on the fact that everyone is sick to death with the Libs, and how they have travelled over the last term in office, but I predict a fairly tight contest tonight, will be an interesting night ahead!

This is incremental and will happen over decades...not just a few years as Don Dunstan is proclaiming.

Mike.

I never said that - it was the 'experts' from 15-20 years ago preaching doom who stated we'd all been rooned by 2020, the sky would be blood red and the four horsemen of the climate change doom would be here.

Climate change and the 'poison' of carbon dioxide is a church with a belief system that is not supported by reality. The problem is that these zealots are sending the nation broke by not allowing us to use coal and insisting that we transition to capital intensive, expensive and unreliable sources of energy.

The actual effects of climate change will be felt the same year as Nuclear Fusion is commericalised, so in about another 25 years, perpetually.

expensive and unreliable sources of energy.

Renewables are cheaper than coal now. It has also been shown that Renewables+Batteries lead to almost instantaneous response times to power shortages, which is an increase in reliability.

No, we were confidently told about fifteen years ago that those places would definitely be underwater by now - we were told unequivocally that there would be visceral, definite signs of the world ending by now.

I don't know who you might have been listening to 15 years ago. Could well have been some right wing news source uninterested in the science of things. No one can say for sure exactly what will happen in the next few years, but, due to the change in climate, we can be sure that there will be a higher frequency of storms and other natural disasters. We can also be sure that the ice will continue to melt and sea levels will continue to rise.

First correction
RE as required by the grid is NOT cheaper than coal. If it was SA would have the cheapest power in Australia, rather than the most expensive. Think about it, the answer should be very obvious.

2nd correction
For the middle aged and older, we have been hearing about the threats of climate change for the best part of 50 years now, there were movies made about the early 21st century in the 80's which like The Jetsons cartoon of the 60's that have failed to materialise. But of course the 80's no one cared about climate changes as by then a nuclear war would have wiped us out anyway.  

While I'm not a pump CO2 out at all costs, rather we should do what we can where practical, the public are not told the truth and the data is conveniently ignored the aspects of the research that conflicts with ideology. Such as the middle age global cooling that saw agriculture and Nordic population mostly wiped out in Greenland. The Bubonic plague was brought to Europe by climate changes in central Asia and the rats heading west. The cooling 1930's where crops failed left right and centre in USA and EU/Rus. Severe decade long droughts of the last decade (if I recall correctly) the end of the 19th century in Australia etc etc.

15 years ago, an Australian camera crew (60min?) was taken to Kiribati and the locals pointed at things under the water that was 6m deep and they blamed climate change by the west and they therefore should be allowed to move to Australia. Yes of course they don't have an alt motive, guess they expect us to pay for their move and provide complete relocation costs and welfare at the same time. Read up on the history of Kiribati, issues were highlited many many many decades ago. Yet meanwhile they have done nothing to make the islands sustainable even without climate change.

Haven't got time to sort out the rest of your post.

News has been going around the Libs have put up a sign in Chisholm misinforming voters on how to vote. https://abc.net.au/news/2019-05-18/federal-election-2019-chisholm-labor-lodges-aec-poster-complaint/11126232?pfmredir=sm

Just finished voting job done.  Lots of people queuing up and candidates for the seat were in attendance.  Greens had a good showing the booth as did the Socialist Party

What one?
There are 2 running in this election
The Trotskyist Socialist Equality Party and the socialist Alliance
The Socialist Equality Party is the only one running in the victorian senate

Ok, so the east coast has less than 2h to vote, so enough with the politics.

For bragging rights only,

1) Who will concede debate?

2) What time will this occur?

SCOMO

8:30pm EST