V/Line Incidents/Disruptions #2

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ballarat line completely stuffed

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  712M Chief Commissioner


I did wonder how they managed that!
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger

I did wonder how they managed that!
712M
The 8:10 from Marlborough merges with with 8:15 from Ararat at Ballarat. I think they got their long distance services confused, given the problem from later tweets seems to have been between Wendouree and Ballarat.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Seven news just reported a Down Albury failure with passengers complaining of a four-hour wait before they were hauled back to Broadmeadows and transferred to buses.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Seven news just reported a Down Albury failure with passengers complaining of a four-hour wait before they were hauled back to Broadmeadows and transferred to buses.
Valvegear
Inexcusable!
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/Maryborough-temporary-timetable?fbclid=IwAR0sHaJgcp4rr2CeWhsqiB-VMlpKFLmuDMTOHJAu-yNkI23WZ4kFtW3M3-E
Why bother fiddling with the passenger timetable by two minutes to account for speed restrictions in Maryborough?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/Maryborough-temporary-timetable?fbclid=IwAR0sHaJgcp4rr2CeWhsqiB-VMlpKFLmuDMTOHJAu-yNkI23WZ4kFtW3M3-E
Why bother fiddling with the passenger timetable by two minutes to account for speed restrictions in Maryborough?
potatoinmymouth
Gotta keep padding out the timetables to meet KPIs....

They're doing the same to Shepparton line too.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, VIC
Peak disruptions on the Geelong line are getting more and more frequent over the last fortnight or so.

In the last two weeks alone we've had Marshall signal faults in the morning peak (cancellations and ~30 minute delays), trespassers causing morning and evening peak delays and partial cancellations (terminate and form the Up trip at Geelong) on a few occasions, a boom gate failure at Corio that held some morning peak services the other day, half of the 1732 psuedo-flagship running out of fuel before its scheduled run (which started a cascade of services reduced the next day and even a few days on had trains out of position) and tonight's up to 60 minute delays following an unspecified issue.

There was good to come out of it though, I did get to see 4 Sprinters at South Geelong on what is now a rare excursion past Wyndham Vale for those cars.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Very hard to measure these things fairly of course, but the rate of infrastructure failures on the Geelong corridor in particular seems well over the odds when compared to Metro lines that run at comparable frequencies. Not that there’s a silver bullet: there’s a huge investment deficit from the long-term political preference for suburban lines, the impacts of which obviously contribute.

But there’s also an accountability problem; the current punctuality/reliability reporting works reasonably well for the metropolitan franchises with their internally homogeneous service patterns and tasks, but it fails to capture the three-tiered V/Line task effectively. (Peri-urban, commuter, long-distance; quibble about definitions but you get the idea.) I would like to see V/Line report passenger delay minutes, like TOCs in the UK, hence weighting the impact of peak cancellations and delays more appropriately.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
. . .half of the 1732 psuedo-flagship running out of fuel before its scheduled run (which started a cascade of services reduced the next day and even a few days on had trains out of position) . . .
"Contrillion"

How, in the name of Mazeppa, is a train allowed to run out of fuel?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

How, in the name of Mazeppa, is a train allowed to run out of fuel?
Same reason trains don’t make it to platforms for afternoon peak departures. Inner area fuel points are over capacity and rostered fuels are being missed.

The whole stabling/fuelling/platforming situation at Southern Cross and surrounds is a time bomb that will have compounding consequences for reliability if not addressed in the very near future.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It’s going to be a few months before the annual report is tabled, and so I won’t start a thread for this, but Andrews has just mentioned on his Facebook page that for the financial year V/Line patronage was over 22 million. That will put rail patronage well over 20 million.

Even accounting for quasi-suburban growth that’s an absolutely phenomenal result. Tripled since 2006.
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

There is no talk of improving any facilities at southern cross they have been looking at using south dynon for stabling and fuelling but this all takes time plus the current fuel point would need modifications to accept velocities.
Management have there heads firmly up there backsides in regard to additional fuelling shifts in regional depots and no matter how many times its explained will not even consider it even thou it would reduce over crowding while transferring the spare 3 car set then you potentially get anything from 6-8 potential fuels for the day using 1 driver 1 fueller and the set runs back on an afternoon peak service usually coinsides with school finishing so you give the passengers comfort by removing the overcrowding get more fuels done during the shift as opposed to melbourne and you take congestion out of scs with all these empty car shunts I dont have a uni degree but gees makes faily good sense they actually delay revenue train arrivals/departures with some of these shunt moves.
Plus you now have the added issue of there you beut overweight velocitys that are restricted to geelong. Wyndham vale and bacchus marsh what person in there right mind would order trains that cant be utilised over the entire network.....
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, VIC
There is no talk of improving any facilities at southern cross they have been looking at using south dynon for stabling and fuelling but this all takes time plus the current fuel point would need modifications to accept velocities.
Management have there heads firmly up there backsides in regard to additional fuelling shifts in regional depots and no matter how many times its explained will not even consider it even thou it would reduce over crowding while transferring the spare 3 car set then you potentially get anything from 6-8 potential fuels for the day using 1 driver 1 fueller and the set runs back on an afternoon peak service usually coinsides with school finishing so you give the passengers comfort by removing the overcrowding get more fuels done during the shift as opposed to melbourne and you take congestion out of scs with all these empty car shunts I dont have a uni degree but gees makes faily good sense they actually delay revenue train arrivals/departures with some of these shunt moves.
Plus you now have the added issue of there you beut overweight velocitys that are restricted to geelong. Wyndham vale and bacchus marsh what person in there right mind would order trains that cant be utilised over the entire network.....
scumcock
Are there enough units stabled across the network at regional locations (ie at depots with fuelling facilities) between peaks to make this worthwhile?

With the exception of Seymour and maybe Traralgon (strictly talking about interurban) services, it would most likely not be convenient to get V/Locity sets to a fuel point, particularly on single-track terminating stations where down services currently form up services with a few minutes turnaround time. Getting these cars refuelled in this situation would take up (sometimes valuable/constrictive) paths and reduce service frequency. On the Geelong line for example, you couldn't just refuel a train terminating at South Geelong or Waurn Ponds, or you'd have to significantly drop service frequency beyond Geelong.

They have plenty of time to rectify the overweight sets issue before it becomes a problem, but that's a discussion for another thread.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Person struck at 0917 at or near Wood St, South Geelong.



  Carnot Chief Commissioner

V/Lo ended up in the dirt at Bendigo Yard yesterday evening (possibly split points).  And that meant a raft of cancellations overnight and this morning.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

East track between Sunbury and Kyneton is not in good shape. Semi-permanent speed restriction now of 115 km/h. Hopeless.

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/6355646/vline-slowing-down-some-bendigo-trains/
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
East track between Sunbury and Kyneton is not in good shape. Semi-permanent speed restriction now of 115 km/h. Hopeless.

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/6355646/vline-slowing-down-some-bendigo-trains/
Carnot
I was wondering how long it would take for this to reach the media. Craigieburn to Seymour has also had a 15km/h reduction for Vlocities in the down direction only. Sprinters haven't been impacted and are still allowed to run at 130km/h.
  mike49 Station Master

I have noticed in the last fortnight that there have been more cancellations in the afternoon peak & Vlocity services running with 3 instead of 6 cars.

The question has to be asked was it a wise decision by V/LIne to withdraw two loco hauled 6 car H sets from service & replace them with Vlocity sets 76-79? Clearly the fleet availability is being too tightly stretched.

Until this happened recently afternoon peak reliability had been pretty good.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, VIC
I have noticed in the last fortnight that there have been more cancellations in the afternoon peak & Vlocity services running with 3 instead of 6 cars.

The question has to be asked was it a wise decision by V/LIne to withdraw two loco hauled 6 car H sets from service & replace them with Vlocity sets 76-79? Clearly the fleet availability is being too tightly stretched.

Until this happened recently afternoon peak reliability had been pretty good.
mike49
I've notice that too, particularly since Tuesday or Wednesday this week just about every peak service is affected in some way - either reduced, cancelled, or directly after an altered service so has to skip stops or running late due to increased dwell times.

I'm not sure it directly relates to the withdrawal of the H set services since they had been running a few weeks before these issues really flared up with not much problem. Even immediately prior to the change it wasn't common to chop and change V/Locity sets to cover last minute faults. Clearly though its contributing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More chaos last evening:

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