I don't know why people insist on pretending that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.Nonsense.
He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.
I don't know why people insist on pretending that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.
He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.
Most mainstream Christians do not except the extremist version preached by Folau. Fundamentalist interpretations of the bible are for the stupid and brainwashed. Ask any degree trained biblical scholar how difficult it is to interpret what the bible is actually saying and its not easy. You need an understanding Aramaic, hebrew, Latin etc for a start. Folau is actually badly misleading his congregation and doing them and Christianity in general no favors.I don't know why people insist on pretending that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.
He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.
......and I'm guessing if a Muslim rugby player came out and publicly called for the adoption of Sharia law in Australia you'd be the first person on here calling for him to be sacked and deported![]()
I'm not aware of mass Christian sackingsI don't know why people insist on pretending that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.
He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.
......and I'm guessing if a Muslim rugby player came out and publicly called for the adoption of Sharia law in Australia you'd be the first person on here calling for him to be sacked and deported![]()
I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.
Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.The warnings at Bunnings don't raise offense because they have a basis in fact and are backed by evidence. Folau's 'warnings' do not have either of those.
Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
Now I know that a church is no place for critical thinking, and I do not need my knowledge reinforced.Sounds very totalitarian to jail preachers if you disagree with them. We're not China, the USSR, Iran, or Saudi Arabia. At least not yet I hope.
That said, clearly some idiot(s) thought it needed to be more strongly proven, and hence thought it would be a good idea to let Folau to issue a sermon. - Further, AND then to publish his further stupidity on the church Facebook page...
This will eventually turn to hate speech and this clown will be gaoled, sooner rather later I hope.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-launches-fresh-attack-on-gay-people-transgender-youths-20190617-p51yba.html
The warnings at Bunnings are to avoid any liability arising from non-tradies electrocuting themselves doing dodgy wiring. Otherwise Bunnings and others would have to cease selling electrical fittings to consumers not qualified as an electrician. You have been warned. The Bunnings warnings relate to a real and possible danger whilst the Mad Preacher's refer to fairy tale stuff.I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.The warnings at Bunnings don't raise offense because they have a basis in fact and are backed by evidence. Folau's 'warnings' do not have either of those.
Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
If Bunning's warnings said 'warning operating this saw is dangerous for women' or 'we stock pink hi-viz for gays' I suspect you might see some offense.
I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.The present hate speech laws in each state of Australia (even leftie Victoria) are laws against incitement, not laws against saying things that someone else doesn't like.
Although the Religious Vilification laws in Vic have been used in the past (the 2 Danny's case) but there are significant problems with those laws - wildly open to interpretation and opinion.I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.The present hate speech laws in each state of Australia (even leftie Victoria) are laws against incitement, not laws against saying things that someone else doesn't like.
What incited acts of hatred have occurred or been intercepted by police before they occurred?
I think he is well clear of any potential breach of those laws.
The 2 Danny's case resulted in the Supreme Court declaring that it was not for judges in lower courts (VCAT in that case) to discriminate between different theological positions when deciding whether to accept the 'religious purpose' defence provided in the law.Although the Religious Vilification laws in Vic have been used in the past (the 2 Danny's case) but there are significant problems with those laws - wildly open to interpretation and opinion.I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.The present hate speech laws in each state of Australia (even leftie Victoria) are laws against incitement, not laws against saying things that someone else doesn't like.
What incited acts of hatred have occurred or been intercepted by police before they occurred?
I think he is well clear of any potential breach of those laws.
Israel Folau had a Gofundme page taken down today, and rightly so, he was seeking to raise around $3million dollars for his battle with Rugby Australia, but he has apparently violated the pages terms of use, all monies raised thus far are set to be refunded - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/folau-gofundme-appeal-shut-down-by-crowdfunding-site/ar-AADkHjY?ocid=spartanntpAgain, the woke brigade are just accelerating their own downfall by their intolerance and rejection of neutral spaces:
Considering some of the previous campaigns which GoFundMe has decided to allow (e.g. one for a NSW driver who was quite rightfully prosecuted after he recorded himself driving onto a footpath and swearing at a couple of police officers) it would seem that the terms of use mean whatever they want it to mean at any time.It is going to be interesting to see if the Govt takes a closer look at these sort of sites and regulates them appropriately.
It's good that GoFundMe has decided to refund the contributions made during the time the campaign was accepted by them, but this is a good chance for a reminder that crowd funding is almost completely unregulated in Australia and there would not have been anything stopping GoFundMe if they had decided to take the money.
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