Wagga to Albury commuter train proposed

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 10 Aug 2017 09:43
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
ANR
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it

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  Ethan1395 Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
cityrail-rulez
Actually they would rather just spend money on Sydney.

Newcastle has almost no local infrastructure and what little there is is inaccessible and receives a terrible service.
Wollongong has slightly more local infrastructure which is accessible but still receives a poor service.

And they wonder why the cost of living is high? :/ :/
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
cityrail-rulez
The govt to its credit ran a bus as a trial, it was a colossal failure, unless we can demonstrate the bus trial was planned to fail from the onset, then it simply doesn't stack up.

However I agree that the service between the two cities and with access to Mel can be improved by extending one of the V/line trains to Wagga.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
The govt to its credit ran a bus as a trial, it was a colossal failure, unless we can demonstrate the bus trial was planned to fail from the onset, then it simply doesn't stack up.

However I agree that the service between the two cities and with access to Mel can be improved by extending one of the V/line trains to Wagga.
RTT_Rules
Here is the timetable (though save it as it will probably link rot soon)

https://transportnsw.info/document/3128/wga-abx-trial-timetable.pdf

Things that make it not attractive:
- 2 hours between Wagga and Albury (each way) - driving time is 1.5 hours, XPT time is 1h 17mins.
- arrival times and departure times are not conducive to people working in either place, which was one of the aims for this.  Shopping is not what people want to do in either city as they have more or less the same stuff.
  a6et Minister for Railways

No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
The govt to its credit ran a bus as a trial, it was a colossal failure, unless we can demonstrate the bus trial was planned to fail from the onset, then it simply doesn't stack up.

However I agree that the service between the two cities and with access to Mel can be improved by extending one of the V/line trains to Wagga.
RTT_Rules
Your suggestion is the only way that the service would ever come near to being viable - sadly.
  a6et Minister for Railways

No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
The govt to its credit ran a bus as a trial, it was a colossal failure, unless we can demonstrate the bus trial was planned to fail from the onset, then it simply doesn't stack up.

However I agree that the service between the two cities and with access to Mel can be improved by extending one of the V/line trains to Wagga.
Your suggestion is the only way that the service would ever come near to being viable - sadly.
  a6et Minister for Railways

No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
The govt to its credit ran a bus as a trial, it was a colossal failure, unless we can demonstrate the bus trial was planned to fail from the onset, then it simply doesn't stack up.

However I agree that the service between the two cities and with access to Mel can be improved by extending one of the V/line trains to Wagga.
Here is the timetable (though save it as it will probably link rot soon)

https://transportnsw.info/document/3128/wga-abx-trial-timetable.pdf

Things that make it not attractive:
- 2 hours between Wagga and Albury (each way) - driving time is 1.5 hours, XPT time is 1h 17mins.
- arrival times and departure times are not conducive to people working in either place, which was one of the aims for this.  Shopping is not what people want to do in either city as they have more or less the same stuff.
james.au
Based on those times, the only aspect that could make a rail service viable is that it is marketed as a commuter train, but it would need to be also heavily pre tested as to how many people would actually use the service for commuting to/from work. The only other way is if it is a local service to Melbourne once again though, a business case has to show its viability.

As it is now, how many services run from Melbourne to Albury, other than the xpt's?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
No such service will happen as a payback for the key regional electorates booting the Nats out last state election.
Doesn't matter who is voted in, it will never happen full stop! The government would have to spend billions of dollars just for it to happen and to them "no matter which party" it's a waste of time, they rather spend more money in "N=Newcastle, S=Sydney, W=Wollongong" that's it
The govt to its credit ran a bus as a trial, it was a colossal failure, unless we can demonstrate the bus trial was planned to fail from the onset, then it simply doesn't stack up.

However I agree that the service between the two cities and with access to Mel can be improved by extending one of the V/line trains to Wagga.
Here is the timetable (though save it as it will probably link rot soon)

https://transportnsw.info/document/3128/wga-abx-trial-timetable.pdf

Things that make it not attractive:
- 2 hours between Wagga and Albury (each way) - driving time is 1.5 hours, XPT time is 1h 17mins.
- arrival times and departure times are not conducive to people working in either place, which was one of the aims for this.  Shopping is not what people want to do in either city as they have more or less the same stuff.
Based on those times, the only aspect that could make a rail service viable is that it is marketed as a commuter train, but it would need to be also heavily pre tested as to how many people would actually use the service for commuting to/from work. The only other way is if it is a local service to Melbourne once again though, a business case has to show its viability.

As it is now, how many services run from Melbourne to Albury, other than the xpt's?
a6et

Google is always your friend...

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/90b9a59e-f637-4c36-973c-02e404ba4266/Albury-Wodonga-Melbourne-(via-Wangaratta,-Bena-(1)

There's a 09:00 bus from Albury to Seymour that may become a train once the V'Locity's are in service and 2 possibilities out of 6 weekday services on the DOWN assuming the timetable doesn't change radically in the next few years.

The problem with 'trial' services is who's going to utilise this service regularly when there's a chance the trial will end and the service be cancelled.

https://transportnsw.info/document/3128/wga-abx-trial-timetable.pdf

Mike.