Murray Basin standardisation

 
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Heh. Seems I was right. Has been thrown under the rug and canned. BG prevails (for now)

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don’t think unconverting Mildura is a realistic option but honestly at this point who knows. It might be the only way to save Sea Lake and Manang from complete closure. The one bright light in this article is that the minister seems committed to making sure they hang around. Inglewood might be another option; again, who knows how realistic it is (pathing through Bendigo might be worse than Ballarat).

More disturbingly I think it means the northern lines will not be converted in the next couple of decades. What minister or public servant is going to stake their reputation on a standardisation project after the last two have been such unequivocal failures? I sure wouldn’t.

Only time will tell whether this sounds the death knell for freight rail in Victoria. But the signs are very bad.
potatoinmymouth
No I think Mildura will stay SG.  Why spend more money converting it back?

Id suspect Sea Lake could be up for closure but Manangatang kept open given the spending on it.  Really the lines in Vic are too close together and with trucks these days going to more productive only one of the branches is really needed.  GrainCorp looks to have bigger sites on Manangatang too though I'm not sure what Emerald/Cargil have.  Manangatang as SG would take grain pressure off the Swan Hill Line too if farmers truck their grain across to larger sites.

Interestingly, Graincorp are going to have to reissue their country network map, which they had already marked Sea Lake and Manangatang as SG...
Southern NSW Victoria Northern NSW Queensland - GrainCorpwww.graincorp.com.au/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=227129

What a mess and a disappointment.  This definitely has been defeat snatched from the jaws of success, and i doubt that the appropriate heads will roll in this because they are too far up the chain.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I don’t think unconverting Mildura is a realistic option but honestly at this point who knows. It might be the only way to save Sea Lake and Manang from complete closure. The one bright light in this article is that the minister seems committed to making sure they hang around. Inglewood might be another option; again, who knows how realistic it is (pathing through Bendigo might be worse than Ballarat).

More disturbingly I think it means the northern lines will not be converted in the next couple of decades. What minister or public servant is going to stake their reputation on a standardisation project after the last two have been such unequivocal failures? I sure wouldn’t.

Only time will tell whether this sounds the death knell for freight rail in Victoria. But the signs are very bad.
No I think Mildura will stay SG.  Why spend more money converting it back?

Id suspect Sea Lake could be up for closure but Manangatang kept open given the spending on it.  Really the lines in Vic are too close together and with trucks these days going to more productive only one of the branches is really needed.  GrainCorp looks to have bigger sites on Manangatang too though I'm not sure what Emerald/Cargil have.  Manangatang as SG would take grain pressure off the Swan Hill Line too if farmers truck their grain across to larger sites.

Interestingly, Graincorp are going to have to reissue their country network map, which they had already marked Sea Lake and Manangatang as SG...
Southern NSW Victoria Northern NSW Queensland - GrainCorpwww.graincorp.com.au/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=227129

What a mess and a disappointment.  This definitely has been defeat snatched from the jaws of success, and i doubt that the appropriate heads will roll in this because they are too far up the chain.
james.au

Agreed on the Mildura line staying as is. Why remove the advantage of being able to rail grain from the silos at Ouyen, Birchip etc. to places in NSW like Temora, Moree, Junee Sub or even Manildra and Bomaderry? There's been plenty of those runs happening already.

Emerald/Cargill have a relatively modern fast outloader on the main line at Nullawil so I doubt they'd be impressed if the Sea Lake line was given up, and Wycheproof Sub isn't that small of a joint either.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Emerald/Cargill have a relatively modern fast outloader on the main line at Nullawil so I doubt they'd be impressed if the Sea Lake line was given up, and Wycheproof Sub isn't that small of a joint either.
Greensleeves
What about only a part conversion?  Abandon north of say Nullawil?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Emerald/Cargill have a relatively modern fast outloader on the main line at Nullawil so I doubt they'd be impressed if the Sea Lake line was given up, and Wycheproof Sub isn't that small of a joint either.
What about only a part conversion?  Abandon north of say Nullawil?
james.au

I could see that happening, it'd include the Charlton near-balloon loop as well.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM SG advocates right now
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Now would be a great time to admit you’re actually James Pinder’s alt account, Dan.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@Dangersdan707 - that's not really at the level of the maturity of posting that is expected around here I'm afraid.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
@Dangersdan707 - that's not really at the level of the maturity of posting that is expected around here I'm afraid.
james.au
your 100% right there. However my point has been made and my prediction has came true.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
@Dangersdan707 - that's not really at the level of the maturity of posting that is expected around here I'm afraid.
your 100% right there. However my point has been made and my prediction has came true.
Dangersdan707
Your brain worms haven't matured enough for your sh!tposting to be effective. You need to stop feeding them a straight diet of stale Backwater Gauge memes.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
I look forward to seeing a "Farewell Manangatang Broad Gauge" tour once the line has been fixed up with the last of the $440 million.  

I was up that way on the weekend.  I noted that Chinkapook and Waitchie still retain their silo loop sidings, but Chillingollah has had its removed, quite recently by the look of it.  A bunch of road crossings have had the SG rail put in, that didn't look recent however...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In today's Sunraysia Daily, by the Member for Mildura.

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/6216843/letter-andrews-and-allan-have-the-let-the-mallee-down/?cs=1385

Mike.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
In today's Sunraysia Daily, by the Member for Mildura.

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/6216843/letter-andrews-and-allan-have-the-let-the-mallee-down/?cs=1385

Mike.
The Vinelander
Thanks Mike, interesting article and Ali Cupper making some very good points.

Not interested in finger pointing and blame shifting, just getting the project completed, wish her luck, with that....

She has come out with some every down to earth, statements, that I've seen, in articles posted by you, refreshing to see.

BigShunter.

Dryland farmers, I have a handle on but Horniculturalists.............Shocked
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Re the funding

I think i am right in saying that there is the 130m to work on Marybourough to Geringhap via Ballarat right?  Or are we suspecting some of that is gone too?  Because making a faster route for both grain and containers to Geelong/Melbourne is going to be beneficial for freight users....
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

To spend it you'd have to DG Ballarat - Gheringhap or send BG freights via Ballan. (Assuming common sense doesn't prevail and Maryborough - Ballarat is DG as per the current plan.)
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If Ballarat to Gheringhap is SG, then Govt should bite the bullet and re-open Inglewood to Eaglehawk to improve capacity and pathing options to BG Sea Lake and Manangatang.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Let me find the PM's number and ask him to fund that conversion immediately. We can't have DD being smug.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yeah, about that budget surplus...
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Yeah, about that budget surplus...
Dangersdan707
Well maybe I can ask Gladys to loan victoria some money to build some SG track.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Take the $260 million from the Kooyong LX pork-barrel. Complete Stage 3 (gauge-converting Managatang and Sea Lake). Run a SG track from Ballarat North on the north side of the existing BG Ballarat – Ararat (which was previously dual track in that area), through the centre track at Ballarat and convert the northern Ballarat -Warrenheip track to SG. Cross the BG at Warrenheip via an underpass and SG Warrenheip – Gheringhap. An option is to DG the northern Ballarat – Warrenheip track as an 80 km/h BG passing lane. North Ballarat – Maryborough should be SG, not DG, which would require some DG at the Ballarat platforms to accommodate a Ballarat – Maryborough SG passenger service. The current 8 or so SG movements a week via Ararat are running an extra 500,000 km total a year.  

A few ironies:
The section of the project which probably sucked up the most money, Ararat – Maryborough, will probably be the least used, if and when the project is complete.
The Johnny-come-lately Ultima operation gets the short route via Ballarat and Nth Geelong (with occasional upgrade to Gold Class via Ballan) whereas the established customers get stuck with Ararat.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
You think a government would do that!?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The National part of LNP might start doing something.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The current 8 or so SG movements a week via Ararat are running an extra 500,000 km total a year.  
kitchgp

So 1082kms per move extra Shocked
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The current 8 or so SG movements a week via Ararat are running an extra 500,000 km total a year.  

A few ironies:
The section of the project which probably sucked up the most money, Ararat – Maryborough, will probably be the least used, if and when the project is complete.
The Johnny-come-lately Ultima operation gets the short route via Ballarat and Nth Geelong (with occasional upgrade to Gold Class via Ballan) whereas the established customers get stuck with Ararat.
kitchgp
I think that the Freight Passenger Separation Project is still live which  have funding do do the SG works needed to give the Mildura freighters a faster run.  Details are scarce but their maps indicate the FPSP extends from Maryborough to Gheringhap via Ballarat.  

More details are needed to confirm this though....

I think the ultimate irony is going to be that the Ararat-Maryborough line could well fall into disuse again, particularly if 1) the seasons are dry, 2) Ararat-Maroona remains 19TAL, 3) Portland doesn't make grain unloading easier and 4) the mineral sands work remains on hold....
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The current 8 or so SG movements a week via Ararat are running an extra 500,000 km total a year.  
kitchgp

So 1082kms per move extra Shocked
bingley hall

Sorry. Should have read 50,000 km.

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