They will be withdrawn from service.Don't forget Carriage bodies being sold off to private owners too!
Some may end up in the hands of heritage operators but the vast majority will probably end up meeting the same fate as any other redundant rollingstock, cut up for scrap.
2022 is probably a bit optimistic though.
If some of them are still alive after they finish up at V/line, we might end up seeing them on BG freight to Sea Lake, Manangatang, Piangil, Deniliquin, Tocumwal, Maryvale, Long Island, and Warrnambool in 2030...
If demand continues to grow particularly after service increases with the Ballarat line upgade, we may see the N-sets stick around for a while longer to cover peak hour runs. Priority would surely be placed on removing the H-sets from service which are quickly approaching 70 years of service. I can’t see loco-hauled sets disappearing until WV and Melton are sparked with HCMTs.The H sets have greater carrying capacity and all are still in good condition only run low kms as 2 commuter trips a day .
V/Line will still have the 19 Sprinters in service at this time which will presumably continue to be concentrated on the Seymour line to replace the remaining loco-hauled services.
The N sets are life expired cars no longer fit for purpose. Apart from 1st class they are uncomfortable, overheated in winter - a sauna in Summer. The only thing missed in the V/Locity is the snack bar and the 1st class option. Unfortunately, those features don't look being part of the future - along with carriage of bicycles.I've Heard People disagree. GSR then would be even more expired.
N set aircons in summer are asthmatic.... And the 3+2 seating in economy sucks.The N sets are life expired cars no longer fit for purpose. Apart from 1st class they are uncomfortable, overheated in winter - a sauna in Summer. The only thing missed in the V/Locity is the snack bar and the 1st class option. Unfortunately, those features don't look being part of the future - along with carriage of bicycles.I've Heard People disagree. GSR then would be even more expired.
The N sets are life expired cars no longer fit for purpose. Apart from 1st class they are uncomfortable, overheated in winter - a sauna in Summer. The only thing missed in the V/Locity is the snack bar and the 1st class option. Unfortunately, those features don't look being part of the future - along with carriage of bicycles.I've Heard People disagree. GSR then would be even more expired.
The N Cars (and H Cars) are symptomatic of the absolute abomination that is Victorian Rolling Stock Policy and V/Line. A forward thinking network would have all of those rolling mausoleums scrapped. Again I will say it, 70 x 3 v/locities in 15 years an absolute travesty. I would not be surprised if the State Government decided to dispense with V/locities for the Albury corridor and simply carried out C6 rebuilds for Old locos and N Type Carriages.The N sets are life expired cars no longer fit for purpose. Apart from 1st class they are uncomfortable, overheated in winter - a sauna in Summer. The only thing missed in the V/Locity is the snack bar and the 1st class option. Unfortunately, those features don't look being part of the future - along with carriage of bicycles.I've Heard People disagree. GSR then would be even more expired.
The cars that make up the Overland, whilst nearly twice the age of the N cars, were built to a higher quality at Islington workshops and they've had a FAR more expensive interior refit which has made the toilets wheelchair accessible and the newer seating is still in good condition.
The cars ride smoother than N cars due to having far better bogies.
The aircon works fine due to having a power van instead of head end power from the loco.
Mike.
I think it is worth saying this .The N Cars (and H Cars) are symptomatic of the absolute abomination that is Victorian Rolling Stock Policy and V/Line. A forward thinking network would have all of those rolling mausoleums scrapped. Again I will say it, 70 x 3 v/locities in 15 years an absolute travesty. I would not be surprised if the State Government decided to dispense with V/locities for the Albury corridor and simply carried out C6 rebuilds for Old locos and N Type Carriages.The N sets are life expired cars no longer fit for purpose. Apart from 1st class they are uncomfortable, overheated in winter - a sauna in Summer. The only thing missed in the V/Locity is the snack bar and the 1st class option. Unfortunately, those features don't look being part of the future - along with carriage of bicycles.I've Heard People disagree. GSR then would be even more expired.
The cars that make up the Overland, whilst nearly twice the age of the N cars, were built to a higher quality at Islington workshops and they've had a FAR more expensive interior refit which has made the toilets wheelchair accessible and the newer seating is still in good condition.
The cars ride smoother than N cars due to having far better bogies.
The aircon works fine due to having a power van instead of head end power from the loco.
Mike.
Michael
Only loosely related to this thread;Probably thinking of a BZN?
Back in the final years of Albury line broad gauge trains (and I assume standard on at least the other long-distance lines at that time), ran with almost the almost invariable consist of ACN, BRN, BN then a fourth car (Car D, the final car each set at that time) which was different. To get from the vestibule into the seating area, they were accessed by a manually operated door with a handle - while the rest where the orange-button power sliding doors still seen on the N-sets today. The door was also on an angle as opposed to flush with the dimensions of the carriage. Otherwise, from memory, they were identical to a BN from a passengers perspective.
Can anyone tell me what these cars were coded and why the difference? Was it an N or some other carriage type appended into the N set? What happened with the makeup of these sets?
Highly likely that's them. Thank you.Only loosely related to this thread;Probably thinking of a BZN?
Back in the final years of Albury line broad gauge trains (and I assume standard on at least the other long-distance lines at that time), ran with almost the almost invariable consist of ACN, BRN, BN then a fourth car (Car D, the final car each set at that time) which was different. To get from the vestibule into the seating area, they were accessed by a manually operated door with a handle - while the rest where the orange-button power sliding doors still seen on the N-sets today. The door was also on an angle as opposed to flush with the dimensions of the carriage. Otherwise, from memory, they were identical to a BN from a passengers perspective.
Can anyone tell me what these cars were coded and why the difference? Was it an N or some other carriage type appended into the N set? What happened with the makeup of these sets?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_Railways_Z_type_carriage
At least there's more justification to go up to First Class because of that design choice, unlike the XPTs.N set aircons in summer are asthmatic.... And the 3+2 seating in economy sucks.The N sets are life expired cars no longer fit for purpose. Apart from 1st class they are uncomfortable, overheated in winter - a sauna in Summer. The only thing missed in the V/Locity is the snack bar and the 1st class option. Unfortunately, those features don't look being part of the future - along with carriage of bicycles.I've Heard People disagree. GSR then would be even more expired.
The aircon works fine due to having a power van instead of head end power from the loco.The source of electricity should make no difference to the aircons operation, whether it be from HEP, power van, or onboard AGS.
The aircon works fine due to having a power van instead of head end power from the loco.The source of electricity should make no difference to the aircons operation, whether it be from HEP, power van, or onboard AGS.
The N sets have been cycled through Bendigo workshops getting new or refurbished heating/cooling systems which made a big difference to cooling over last summer. I haven't been in one on a cold day so I can't comment on the heating side of things.
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