The Last Train To Tonsley

 
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
Friday, June 28, 2019, 18:30.  The last train from Adelaide to Tonsley will leave Adelaide.  I will be a passenger.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I really don't understand why is was necessary to close Tonsley, surely it doesn't matter if there's a stop only 800m or so from the terminus?
  cmjl Station Master

Location: Adelaide
I really don't understand why is was necessary to close Tonsley, surely it doesn't matter if there's a stop only 800m or so from the terminus?
don_dunstan
I think the reason given was that as the line needs to go over Sturt Road, and Tonsley is pretty much smack bang on Sturt Road, it would require a new above-ground station to be built on or near the bridge.  Cue complaints about costs, lift access (and its problems), gradients, safety etc etc.

No doubt there are some users who are going to be inconvenienced and have to travel 500 metres to Tonsley or 800 metres to Flinders.  That's understandable especially if they have mobility issues.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

No doubt there are some users who are going to be inconvenienced and have to travel 500 metres to Tonsley or 800 metres to Flinders.  That's understandable especially if they have mobility issues.
cmjl
The government is currently consulting on options for a new Tonsley station which would be a 'merged' station replacing both the current Tonsley and the current Clovelly Park, and which would provide better access to the Tonsley Innovation Precinct than the current Clovelly Park station.

The ideal location for this would be south of the Alawoona Ave level crossing, so it would mitigate the extra distance for current Tonsley users.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Count me in
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
I will be there. Look for the Railpage sign to help find your fellow train enthusiast friends.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
It is my belief that  ALL stations on the Tonsley line need reviewing. Where Tonsley Station is now, it won't even be near the track (about 8m below). Where Mitchell Park is now, it is on the outside of a fairly tight curve resulting in  what should be the alighting message "Mind the Chasm". If Mitchell Park Station is shifted to the straight section just south then it will be fairly close to Clovelly Park Station. This leaves it possible for a new station to be built south of Alawoona Ave. Further to this, there is the real possibility of shifting Ascot Park Station to the Tonsley Line. This last change would allow faster service for Seaford Line and give a total of 4 brand new stations on Tonsley Line which would all be DDA compliant with no further waste of money on the old crap.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The platform at Mitchell Park is on the inside of the curve, not the outside.

I would favour shifting Mitchell Park to the north, not the south. Shorten the double track a little and put the station just north of the Celtic Ave level crossing.

Combine this with the replacement of Clovelly Park and Tonsley with a new Tonsley station south of Alawoona Ave, and you would have a good way to reduce the overlap between the two station catchment areas. The distance between the platforms would be around 950-1000 metres, compared to the current 510 metres.


Next to Celtic Ave would also be a better location for a station in what is a fairly high crime area. Stations should be in open public areas, not hidden away in the back streets.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The platform at Mitchell Park is on the inside of the curve, not the outside.

I would favour shifting Mitchell Park to the north, not the south. Shorten the double track a little and put the station just north of the Celtic Ave level crossing.

Combine this with the replacement of Clovelly Park and Tonsley with a new Tonsley station south of Alawoona Ave, and you would have a good way to reduce the overlap between the two station catchment areas. The distance between the platforms would be around 950-1000 metres, compared to the current 510 metres.


Next to Celtic Ave would also be a better location for a station in what is a fairly high crime area. Stations should be in open public areas, not hidden away in the back streets.
"justapassenger"

I was involved in looking at duplication and relocating Mitchell Park a few years ago. Have a play on google maps with photo on and find somewhere to put a 160m platform. Good luck.
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Just spend 100 million dollars moving every station down 200 metres from it's current location. or better yet close the bloody train line. there are busses running all around the place.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
The platform at Mitchell Park is on the inside of the curve, not the outside.

I would favour shifting Mitchell Park to the north, not the south. Shorten the double track a little and put the station just north of the Celtic Ave level crossing.

Combine this with the replacement of Clovelly Park and Tonsley with a new Tonsley station south of Alawoona Ave, and you would have a good way to reduce the overlap between the two station catchment areas. The distance between the platforms would be around 950-1000 metres, compared to the current 510 metres.

I was involved in looking at duplication and relocating Mitchell Park a few years ago. Have a play on google maps with photo on and find somewhere to put a 160m platform. Good luck.
62440
Just out of curiosity, what were the original plans for duplication of the Tonsley line under your watch?
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Just out of curiosity, what were the original plans for duplication of the Tonsley line under your watch?
Heath Loxton
Just at the concept level, but moving it north requires buying a lot of houses and putting it behind the school, moving south and you are head on with Clovelly Park. Closing Mitchell Park was not an option. With the new development, it makes sense to move MP south but keep it single track, move CP south next to the car park at the foot of the new ramp so it serves the Tonsley catchment better. Certainly vastly cheaper than an elevated station above the new road network.
One other option we addressed was putting platforms over the Sturt Triangle to give bus-train direct link.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Interesting. see you all tonight for the last train to Tonsley.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Tonight i rode the last ever train to Tonsley and back. There was a nice turnout of a few dozen train enthusiasts, ranging from the 15 year old kid from the other side of town who just likes catching trains right through to a few senior and seasoned Railpage Australia™ members who photograph trains. The music on the platform, kindly organized by a local resident, certainly fit the bittersweet atmosphere combining both past loss and future gain.
  lieselta Beginner

Didn't expect to get a mention as the 15 year old kid from the other side of town xD

Just joined after hearing about this website, looks brilliant. And good to meet you Heath!

Liesel
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Tonight i rode the last ever train to Tonsley and back. There was a nice turnout of a few dozen train enthusiasts, ranging from the 15 year old kid from the other side of town who just likes catching trains right through to a few senior and seasoned Railpage Australia™ members who photograph trains. The music on the platform, kindly organized by a local resident, certainly fit the bittersweet atmosphere combining both past loss and future gain.
Heath Loxton
At 5 years, the over head infrastructure at Tonsley must be one of the shortest lives in Australia. Maybe even less than that installed for the original Brisbane Airport station, later renamed Eagle Farm, while only used by passenger trains for just over 5 years, although I believe the infrastructure has remained in place since 1993 unused.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
What the overhead installed at the former Oaklands station?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What the overhead installed at the former Oaklands station?
Aaron
That would have been more like seven years - didn't they do the section to Seaford first? Not really sure as I wasn't living here at the time.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It would be very close between the two, as the Tonsley branch was wired up in early 2014, a few months after the rest of the Noarlunga line was done in the second half of 2013.

Taking the prize though, would actually be the temporary equipment installed at the previous Oaklands to facilitate the construction project during the last year.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It would be very close between the two, as the Tonsley branch was wired up in early 2014, a few months after the rest of the Noarlunga line was done in the second half of 2013.

Taking the prize though, would actually be the temporary equipment installed at the previous Oaklands to facilitate the construction project during the last year.
justapassenger
I seem to recall the Oaklands station (presumably being demolished right now) was the same one that was only rebuilt in 2008 because the old nineteen-fifties island platform one was made of asbestos and deemed a hazard. Although the 2008 one probably won't be missed - those high, curved 'shelters' did nothing to protect you from the wind and the rain.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I seem to recall the Oaklands station (presumably being demolished right now) was the same one that was only rebuilt in 2008 because the old nineteen-fifties island platform one was made of asbestos and deemed a hazard. Although the 2008 one probably won't be missed - those high, curved 'shelters' did nothing to protect you from the wind and the rain.
don_dunstan
The temporary flat-pack station dating back to 2008 is mostly gone by now.

Fixing up the 1950s station well enough to make it safe for continued public use was going to cost around the same as building the station next to Morphett Road in 2008, and would have involved a lengthy closure during the work too. I think the correct decision was made at that time, as it was also the perfect opportunity to bring the station to a better location.

A similar rebuild/replace choice will have to be made regarding Woodlands Park before too long, as the shelter can only take so much more patching up and it does not meet accessibility laws. I wouldn't mind seeing that station and Edwardstown both replaced with a new station next to Raglan Ave - ideally as an integrated project which would also incorporate grade separation of the level crossing and the realignment of Raglan Ave to meet South Road from the present alignment of Ackland St. This would allow a set of traffic lights to be eliminated from South Road and the better management of traffic around Castle Plaza.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It would be very close between the two, as the Tonsley branch was wired up in early 2014, a few months after the rest of the Noarlunga line was done in the second half of 2013.

Taking the prize though, would actually be the temporary equipment installed at the previous Oaklands to facilitate the construction project during the last year.
justapassenger
So this was project related, not permanent?

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