Newcastle Trams

 
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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Nice looking trans where were they built ?

Newcastle Trams

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  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Spain.

Is Google broken?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Light_Rail
Sulla1
Not sure If It's just my reading, but I can seem to find (on this site) where It states how long the tram route Is ?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

One suspects it might be a deliberately edited omission in the Wiki article or it isn't long enough to show on their map. (2.7 km - the decimal separator is not a typo.)
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
One suspects it might be a deliberately edited omission in the Wiki article or it isn't long enough to show on their map. (2.7 km - the decimal separator is not a typo.)
kitchgp
I tried to edit it to include the URL to their website and include the length, and it accepts the length in the code, but won't seem to display it on the actual page. Dunno why...
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I wonder why they even use completely new rolling stock rather than the Variotrams that used to run in Sydney.
  matthewg Train Controller

I wonder why they even use completely new rolling stock rather than the Variotrams that used to run in Sydney.
Myrtone
Politics.

Closing the railway for a tramway of only 1.7km was controversial enough. If they had then said they were getting Sydney's 2nd hand castoffs as well, the opposition (both community and political) would have ripped the government to shreds.
  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
I wonder why they even use completely new rolling stock rather than the Variotrams that used to run in Sydney.
Myrtone

What would have been the cost of recommissioning those old trams and modifying them for use on a wireless tram route though ? Purchasing new trams may have been the more cost effective option esp seeing as though they were purchased as an option under the Inner West LR contract.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
It only that new tramline had overhead wires, they could have used the Variotrams. They aren't old enough for museums.
  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
Apart from the issues I mentioned, I think the Variotrams are butt ugly, so I am glad we got the Urbos 3s.
  matthewg Train Controller

Apart from the issues I mentioned, I think the Variotrams are butt ugly, so I am glad we got the Urbos 3s.
Xavier
Definitely an eye of the beholder thing. I think the CAFs are ugly Smile While the Vario wasn't exactly a 'looker' either they are far better built tram the CAF ones. 2107 will probably be still running in museum service when the 'preserved' CAF tram is sitting in a shed as a pile of spare parts that no one can get to work anymore.

The whole wire free thing was an unnecessary vanity that added extra costs to the project and extra operational headache forever.

This wire-free fetish is just boosting the case for buses. 'Just like light rail only cheaper'.
  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
Apart from the issues I mentioned, I think the Variotrams are butt ugly, so I am glad we got the Urbos 3s.
Definitely an eye of the beholder thing. I think the CAFs are ugly Smile While the Vario wasn't exactly a 'looker' either they are far better built tram the CAF ones. 2107 will probably be still running in museum service when the 'preserved' CAF tram is sitting in a shed as a pile of spare parts that no one can get to work anymore.

The whole wire free thing was an unnecessary vanity that added extra costs to the project and extra operational headache forever.

This wire-free fetish is just boosting the case for buses. 'Just like light rail only cheaper'.
matthewg

The entire reason they went with wire free (and indeed the entire light rail project to begin with) imo was to project an image of growth and renewal. Ugly assed wires and variotrams would not align with that vision at all.

I appreciate the points you made regarding the build quality of the Variotrams, but I just cannot get past the way they look. Way too boxy and bus-like for my liking. Whereas the Urbos 3s have a much more sleek / aerodynamic design and fits perfectly into that futuristic, modern look they were going for.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

With an average speed of 14 km/h compared to Melbourne trams' 16 km/h, terms such as 'light rail' and 'aerodynamic design' are not applicable to the Newcastle system. Gold Coast’s light rail averages 27 km/h; Canberra’s 30 km/h.

As far as the aesthetics of overhead go, this video of trams in Victoria Square, Adelaide is one example of what could have been done had the full rail right-of-way been used:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6aLQ9Rbmug
  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
With an average speed of 14 km/h compared to Melbourne trams' 16 km/h, terms such as 'light rail' and 'aerodynamic design' are not applicable to the Newcastle system. Gold Coast’s light rail averages 27 km/h: Canberra’s 30 km/h.
kitchgp

You're missing my point, I am speaking purely of the aesthetics of the Urbos 3 compared to the Variotram. Even if they only averaged 5km/h I would be still making the same argument.
  matthewg Train Controller

You're missing my point, I am speaking purely of the aesthetics of the Urbos 3 compared to the Variotram. Even if they only averaged 5km/h I would be still making the same argument.
Xavier
The Varios style was definitely a product of the era. Now everything needs to have a pointy nose even if it doesn't need it. That pointy nose adds 2m to the length of the Urbos 3 for no gain in passenger accommodation.
The sloping windscreen also ads to the heat buildup in the driver's cab. Urbos have inadequate airconditioning at best. Last summer a colleague snapped a photo of on the IWLR of a driver with a large desk fan in the cab Smile

The front end style can be changed to accommodate customers aesthetics. TfNSW has bought the 'standard' front. CAF tend to sell into the lower end of the market where the customer just takes the standard front, so you don't see many customised Urbos - but take a look at the number of different front end styles Alstom have put on Citadis x02s.

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