Transport Jobs On The Move To Bendigo Gov Hub

 

News article: Transport Jobs On The Move To Bendigo Gov Hub

The Andrews Labor Government is boosting the number of people working in Central Bendigo with Bendigo-based Department of Transport staff, including VicRoads, moving into the new Bendigo Gov Hub.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Will placing road and rail People in the same building actually help ?

Transport Jobs On The Move To Bendigo Gov Hub

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Good old fashioned socialism, Bracks started that with moving State Revenue to Ballarat and TAC to Geelong. Barnaby Joyce had a red hot go at the Commonwealth version by moving the Vet Medicine and Pesticides (whatever they're called) to his seat of New England (Armidale NSW) but most of the experienced staff quit rather than move so it was $40 million down the drain.

The problem with moving these departments is that the apparatus of government and the seat of decision-making will still be at Spring Street. Theoretically with modern technology it shouldn't be as much of a problem but the decision to move that department to Bendigo is that it's pretty much purely a political move and someone might move it again in the future (to New England?).
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The Bendigo based minister for transport moving her department to her home town.
I'm sure there's solid reasons for that. somewhere.
  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Good old fashioned socialism, Bracks started that with moving State Revenue to Ballarat and TAC to Geelong. Barnaby Joyce had a red hot go at the Commonwealth version by moving the Vet Medicine and Pesticides (whatever they're called) to his seat of New England (Armidale NSW) but most of the experienced staff quit rather than move so it was $40 million down the drain.

The problem with moving these departments is that the apparatus of government and the seat of decision-making will still be at Spring Street. Theoretically with modern technology it shouldn't be as much of a problem but the decision to move that department to Bendigo is that it's pretty much purely a political move and someone might move it again in the future (to New England?).
don_dunstan

Don, I think you are miss-reading the intent of the announcement.  I don't think they are suggesting that all of VicRoads should be relocated to Bendigo.  What I understand is that the current VicRoads office in East Bendigo is to be relocated into central Bendigo to be shared with other State Government departments.

So it is more about providing State Government services at a central regional location, rather than relocating jobs from Melbourne to the regions.

Ross
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

What a great advertisement this thread is for reading the article before shooting your mouth off.

Government jobs moving from East Bendigo to a central building in Bendigo, presumably saving a fortune on rent in the process? That’s “good old-fashioned socialism” for you.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The most controversial aspect of the whole Gov Hub idea is that the local city council will flog off the land it will be built on to finance it, and then the State Govt will sell the new building to a private sector partner (and probably pay exorbitant rent).

Understandably, many ratepayers aren't too impressed.


https://www.bendigo.vic.gov.au/About/GovHub


The end result will likely be a fine example of Soviet-era Brutalist architecture, but with a pre-fab concrete structure.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
What a great advertisement this thread is for reading the article before shooting your mouth off.

Government jobs moving from East Bendigo to a central building in Bendigo, presumably saving a fortune on rent in the process? That’s “good old-fashioned socialism” for you.
potatoinmymouth
I did read the article in its entirety:

"Alongside delivering the Gov Hub, the Andrews Labor Government committed to bringing 100 new jobs to Bendigo. With the inclusion of two new government agencies – Portable Long Service Authority and the Victorian Labour Hire Licensing Authority – in the Gov Hub 55 new jobs have already been created."

Again, relocating Vic government jobs to the regions - by coincidence a marginal Labor seat - I'm sure it was a really efficient and noble use of taxpayer resources but all it will really do is spend money on an unnecessary move.

The Victorian Labour Hire Licensing Authority for example, wouldn't most of the labour hire companies be in Melbourne? Shouldn't the government authority dealing with them be where their customers are? Nup, there's a marginal seat to be shored up...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
As if to reinforce what a joke the whole thing is:

Quote attributable to Member for Bendigo West Maree Edwards:

“We’re creating more secure government jobs in one of Australia’s fastest growing regional cities – and the Bendigo GovHub will bring together hundreds of local and state workers in the heart of our CBD.”

She's wrong - no jobs are being created - they're being forcibly moved from Melbourne.

The most controversial aspect of the whole Gov Hub idea is that the local city council will flog off the land it will be built on to finance it, and then the State Govt will sell the new building to a private sector partner (and probably pay exorbitant rent).
Carnot
Exactly the same thing happened in Geelong, the most expensive real-estate deal in that town was the sale of the TAC headquarters for $115 million (Real Commercial News). The taxpayers of Victoria (or people who pay rego in Victoria to be more accurate) get to rent it back from the owner for $7 million a year. It's a pig-ugly Stalinist building anyway, why it's worth that amount of money every year to rent is a mystery.

There has never been any actual study of whether or not TAC benefited from moving to Geelong - lots of good news stories in the Geelong Advertiser about the revitalisation of Geelong thanks to the relocation of hundreds of state employees but no indication as to whether or not the government actually benefited in any way from moving a large government authority to (yet another) marginal Labor seat.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
What a great advertisement this thread is for reading the article before shooting your mouth off.

Government jobs moving from East Bendigo to a central building in Bendigo, presumably saving a fortune on rent in the process? That’s “good old-fashioned socialism” for you.
potatoinmymouth
Yeah, i'll take that one.

Note to self, don't smeg post when distracted.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Exactly the same thing happened in Geelong, the most expensive real-estate deal in that town was the sale of the TAC headquarters for $115 million. The taxpayers of Victoria (or people who pay rego in Victoria to be more accurate) get to rent it back from the owner for $7 million a year. It's a pig-ugly Stalinist building anyway, why it's worth that amount of money every year to rent is a mystery.

There has never been any actual study of whether or not TAC benefited from moving to Geelong - lots of good news stories in the Geelong Advertiser about the revitalisation of Geelong thanks to the relocation of hundreds of state employees but no indication as to whether or not the government actually benefited in any way from moving a large government authority to (yet another) marginal Labor seat.
don_dunstan
Being a regional resident I can see the benefits to local communities of relocating organisations serving the public to regional areas. But it can impair the organisation's ability to perform.

Word in the OHS field is that WorkSafe experienced a talent loss with its relocation to Geelong.

And in a private sector example, I've heard that the reason that the Target head office relocated to Williams Landing soon after moving to Geelong was that they experienced a severe brain drain with their move to Geelong.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Being a regional resident I can see the benefits to local communities of relocating organisations serving the public to regional areas. But it can impair the organisation's ability to perform.

Word in the OHS field is that WorkSafe experienced a talent loss with its relocation to Geelong.

And in a private sector example, I've heard that the reason that the Target head office relocated to Williams Landing soon after moving to Geelong was that they experienced a severe brain drain with their move to Geelong.
Lockspike
I'm all for the creation of jobs in regional areas but they really need to be at things that regional areas do best while providing training and development for the local community. What about a revitalisation of the Bendigo railway workshops? Labor actually has a good record at helping to keep manufacturing in Victoria, why not back Bombardier in trying to obtain more domestic or overseas contracts at rail facilities already around the state?

Another idea is that instead of building all those new prison facilities at Ravenhall that they should have really moved them out into the regions; Ararat has a bit of a love/hate relationship with Hopkins Prison but after the recent expansion it's a very large employer in the town and the jobs are at least stable and permanent.

Just moving those administrative jobs (Labour Hire Licensing Authority etc) from Melbourne is really just a backstop measure, I think they should look at what they can support that really delivers permanent and sustainable jobs for those regions instead of just wholesale shifting of government departments at a minister's whim.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner



And in a private sector example, I've heard that the reason that the Target head office relocated to Williams Landing soon after moving to Geelong was that they experienced a severe brain drain with their move to Geelong.
Lockspike
When did Target move to Geelong?

As a byline, Target is paying to charter two coaches each weekday to take workers from Geelong to the new head office in Williams Landing.  Being right next to the rail line is not much help if the trains from Geelong do not practically connect to there.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Interesting discussion, particularly in light of regular exhortations elsewhere on RP for government to take the initiative in creating employment in regional cities, as well as creating backhaul for empty train sets.

I deduce that:

(a) city folk only want to work in the city.
(b) commuters into the city only want to work in the city; and
(c) country bumpkins should be encouraged to do what they are good at - taking care of prisoners (we don’t want them in the city) and bashing metal (at which Australia as a nation has demonstrated excellent competitive advantage).

Any wonder that regional and country folks vote National or Hunters & Shooters?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting discussion, particularly in light of regular exhortations elsewhere on RP for government to take the initiative in creating employment in regional cities, as well as creating backhaul for empty train sets.

I deduce that:

(a) city folk only want to work in the city.
(b) commuters into the city only want to work in the city; and
(c) country bumpkins should be encouraged to do what they are good at - taking care of prisoners (we don’t want them in the city) and bashing metal (at which Australia as a nation has demonstrated excellent competitive advantage).

Any wonder that regional and country folks vote National or Hunters & Shooters?
SinickleBird
I grew up in regional VIC and I couldn't wait to get out for that exact reason: jobs. Prisons might not be very desirable overall but they certainly provide jobs in places that badly need them like Sale and Ararat. You could at least learn to weld at a railway workshops and that's a very in-demand skill.

I really don't have any answers for the lack of jobs in regional areas and the depopulation of places like the Wimmera keeps happening regardless - the four combined Wimmera shires lost a total of 10,000 residents between 1996-2016, kids obviously can't wait to get out of those places (still).

Moving government administration to the regions isn't the solution, as LockSpike says they tend to lose a lot of staff and talent and there's never been any proper evaluation done of things like TAC, WorkSafe, State Revenue etc moving because it would probably show that it hobbled their organisational efficiency and was a waste of money.

Out of curiosity do you have any ideas yourself?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Being a regional resident I can see the benefits to local communities of relocating organisations serving the public to regional areas. But it can impair the organisation's ability to perform.

Word in the OHS field is that WorkSafe experienced a talent loss with its relocation to Geelong.

And in a private sector example, I've heard that the reason that the Target head office relocated to Williams Landing soon after moving to Geelong was that they experienced a severe brain drain with their move to Geelong.
Lockspike
When you move the office 100km, not all will follow and Id expect around 25% minimum resignations from announcements to within 12mths of the final relocation date. Who'd add 2h to your daily commute by choice if you had other options?

15 years back Rio Tinto moved its technical division from its longheld position in Melbourne to Brisbane and at the same time cut the team size by around half offering redundancies to the those not able to go. Once it was all done and dusted they could have likely got away with paying few redundancies as many nominated to move refused and resigned for various reasons.

Meanwhile 15 years or so ago on the ABC, they did a show on the rebirth of Jandowae in western Qld. The local council selling blocks for $1 and commerical blocks for similar price if you built a house/business within I think 12mth. If I recall a metal working shop of some sorts with something like 10 - 20 staff, of which all but two also relocated from the GC.

Meanwhile my neighbour quit his job here in Dubai when the company said they were relocating to Cork, Ireland, he told me it was a 1sec decision, no way was he moving there (they are Turkish). 6mths later he's still looking for work.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

When did Target move to Geelong?

As a byline, Target is paying to charter two coaches each weekday to take workers from Geelong to the new head office in Williams Landing.  Being right next to the rail line is not much help if the trains from Geelong do not practically connect to there.
DalyWaters
Thanks Daly Waters.
It seems Target had been in Geelong since inception. I had been informed by two sources that they had gone there in recent years, but I'll take it on the chin and say I was wrong.
I'm going to suppose that the move to Williams Landing was precipitated by not being able to entice the people they wanted to the former motor city
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
When did Target move to Geelong?

As a byline, Target is paying to charter two coaches each weekday to take workers from Geelong to the new head office in Williams Landing.  Being right next to the rail line is not much help if the trains from Geelong do not practically connect to there.
Thanks Daly Waters.
It seems Target had been in Geelong since inception. I had been informed by two sources that they had gone there in recent years, but I'll take it on the chin and say I was wrong.
I'm going to suppose that the move to Williams Landing was precipitated by not being able to entice the people they wanted to the former motor city
Lockspike
No, the reason is that certain Board Members didn't like having to travel to Geelong for meetings. Ever since the Coles-Myer Group takeover, these Board Members had been trying to move Target HQ from Geelong to Melbourne. For many years they tried moving it to Coles-Myer HQ at 800 Toorak Rd, Hawthorn East, but the Geelong Executives resisted this move, led by descendants of both George Lindsay and Alex McKenzie founders of Target before it was known as Target. The Williams Landing site was said to be a compromise, although the initial site was meant to be in Truganina at the Target Distribution Centre so that the Geelong people who stayed on could commute to Tarneit via Train, then by coach to the Truganina site.

A large number of people who worked at Target HQ were disappointed at the move, as they have/had been with the company for many years, with a number of those having moved from all over Melbourne and Australia specifically to work at Target HQ because it was in Geelong and not in a State Capital or the Outer Suburbs of one, but there was also a large number of Geelong locals who had worked for Target as well because of the same reason, they didn't want to commute out of Geelong.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Absolutely correct, Jack.

Target will live to regret moving from Geelong.  Already, their profitability has nose dived since they left.

It is baffling why they picked the location they did.

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