PTC/SRA NSW issued watches

 
  maxgara1979 Beginner

Hi All,

I was wondering if any expert here could cast some light on a subject that, as far as I can see, has never been discussed before in this forum.

My interest is in two groups of issued watches that are from two periods. The watches are shown in the picture below.



The first group of watches were issued by the Public Transport Commission between 1972 and 1980. These three watches were Swiss made, manual wind with red sweep hand and branded Pronto, Taurus and Lauris.

I believe that the second group of watches were issued by the State Rail Authority between 1980 and 2003. The only mechanical model unearthed so far is Pronto. A quartz version of this watch also exists.

Any info as to what employees were given such watches and when would be much appreciated.
Thank you!

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  icdog Train Controller

Location: Smegville
I have a quartz version of the Pronto.
It was issued to me as a Guard in the late eighties.
Actually a very nice watch, needs some resto work though.
  maxgara1979 Beginner

I have a quartz version of the Pronto.
It was issued to me as a Guard in the late eighties.
Actually a very nice watch, needs some resto work though.
icdog
Interesting, thank you! I take that staff was allowed to keep issued watches when leaving or retiring then. I wonder why Sydney Trains had so many used watches in stock..
If you are interested, there are a few products like Polywatch that make old scratched plexy crystals look virtually new.
  icdog Train Controller

Location: Smegville
Staff were allowed to keep them after the switch to digital watches.
My one needs more than a lens. I had the battery replaced and it still didn't work.
Thanks
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

There were also pocket watches given to railway staff as a promotional gift during the NSWR, NSWGR, NSWTD era's also RailCorp, Freight Rail and Freight Corp also provided promotional gifts, just not 100% sure if they provided watches to their railway staff

I wouldn't like anyone to cast the watches personally, there are people who do fraud other people by deceiving them to buy so-called genuine railway items - A company from India is apparently re-creating fake cast iron NSWGR railway signs and selling them highly priced for a thing that will rust away is just an example if the quality you'd be looking for if you want someone to cast these watches

If your lucky to find the watches, just a warning they are quite priced right! I have seen a few PTC and SRA watches at Dom's Watches here in Wagga however, that was some time ago so I'm not sure if Dom's Watches will have any available now! I've also seen a few station clocks at the same shop again they are highly collectible and expensive

I do have a SRA station clock which I am lucky to have, but I will need to replace the face glass and get it working! Would be nice on my bedroom wall SmileSmile
  a6et Minister for Railways

There were also pocket watches given to railway staff as a promotional gift during the NSWR, NSWGR, NSWTD era's also RailCorp, Freight Rail and Freight Corp also provided promotional gifts, just not 100% sure if they provided watches to their railway staff

I wouldn't like anyone to cast the watches personally, there are people who do fraud other people by deceiving them to buy so-called genuine railway items - A company from India is apparently re-creating fake cast iron NSWGR railway signs and selling them highly priced for a thing that will rust away is just an example if the quality you'd be looking for if you want someone to cast these watches

If your lucky to find the watches, just a warning they are quite priced right! I have seen a few PTC and SRA watches at Dom's Watches here in Wagga however, that was some time ago so I'm not sure if Dom's Watches will have any available now! I've also seen a few station clocks at the same shop again they are highly collectible and expensive

I do have a SRA station clock which I am lucky to have, but I will need to replace the face glass and get it working! Would be nice on my bedroom wall SmileSmile
cityrail-rulez
Pocket watches were issued to ASM's, SM's, Guards along with Acting Drivers and Drivers during the NSWGR days. When the PTC came into operation there was a move away from the pocket watch to wrist watches, the old Pocket watches originally were quite large with the next and last batch being much smaller in size. The original ones were better and much more rugged but age did affect them.

I was issued with one of the smaller pocket watches when I qualified as Acting Driver in 1972, and kept in until going to the ETR in 76 when I had to hand it back owing to section change. In 78 going back to steam section (as it was still called) I had to hand that watch back and got a new wrist watch, but it was in for repairs more than I wore it.  When needing repairs you had to hand it back to the Principal clerk at your depot and they issued a replacement which was to be handed back when the old one came back.

On retirement after 40 years service, usually drivers were allowed to keep their issued watch also they were given a gold watch for their time on the job. As I was medically retired a few years short of the 40 years I got nothing.

The old pocket watches were the most sort after as IIRC they were generally all Rolex brands, Swiz made, as the move to wrist watches began the old ones were sometimes offered for sale to the last person who had been issued with them, I received a Lauros when going to the ETR, not sure of the brand when going back to steam section, problem we had with wrist watches was they got damaged when on single line sections with changing the staff on the fly, did not matter whether you wore them with the face on the inside of the wrist or outside, as the sling would go up the arm and under the armpit with the metal staff often hitting the watch face as it rebounded at the wrist area.  I was one of many who wore the watch with the face on the inside of the wrist.

I still do, old habits.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

There were also pocket watches given to railway staff as a promotional gift during the NSWR, NSWGR, NSWTD era's also RailCorp, Freight Rail and Freight Corp also provided promotional gifts, just not 100% sure if they provided watches to their railway staff

I wouldn't like anyone to cast the watches personally, there are people who do fraud other people by deceiving them to buy so-called genuine railway items - A company from India is apparently re-creating fake cast iron NSWGR railway signs and selling them highly priced for a thing that will rust away is just an example if the quality you'd be looking for if you want someone to cast these watches

If your lucky to find the watches, just a warning they are quite priced right! I have seen a few PTC and SRA watches at Dom's Watches here in Wagga however, that was some time ago so I'm not sure if Dom's Watches will have any available now! I've also seen a few station clocks at the same shop again they are highly collectible and expensive

I do have a SRA station clock which I am lucky to have, but I will need to replace the face glass and get it working! Would be nice on my bedroom wall SmileSmile
cityrail-rulez
If it's cast iron it cannot rust.
  maxgara1979 Beginner

Staff were allowed to keep them after the switch to digital watches.
My one needs more than a lens. I had the battery replaced and it still didn't work.
Thanks
icdog
It sounds like it's time for a good service! Normally with quartz watches it's easier to simply replace the entire movement, but the ETA 963.116 (possibly) fitted in your watch is no longer produced and difficult to source. A good clean may do the trick though. Alternatively, it may be a busted circuit board and I think they are easier to find than NOS movements. If you are based in Sydney there are a few good watchmakers I can recommend.
  maxgara1979 Beginner

There were also pocket watches given to railway staff as a promotional gift during the NSWR, NSWGR, NSWTD era's also RailCorp, Freight Rail and Freight Corp also provided promotional gifts, just not 100% sure if they provided watches to their railway staff

I wouldn't like anyone to cast the watches personally, there are people who do fraud other people by deceiving them to buy so-called genuine railway items - A company from India is apparently re-creating fake cast iron NSWGR railway signs and selling them highly priced for a thing that will rust away is just an example if the quality you'd be looking for if you want someone to cast these watches

If your lucky to find the watches, just a warning they are quite priced right! I have seen a few PTC and SRA watches at Dom's Watches here in Wagga however, that was some time ago so I'm not sure if Dom's Watches will have any available now! I've also seen a few station clocks at the same shop again they are highly collectible and expensive

I do have a SRA station clock which I am lucky to have, but I will need to replace the face glass and get it working! Would be nice on my bedroom wall SmileSmile
If it's cast iron it cannot rust.
nswtrains
Thank you for the comments!
Actually I've just found a good Pronto SRANSW from a reputable seller in Sydney who bought a large lot of them at a Sydney Trains auction about 10 years ago. Definitely expensive for what they are though..
  icdog Train Controller

Location: Smegville
Staff were allowed to keep them after the switch to digital watches.
My one needs more than a lens. I had the battery replaced and it still didn't work.
Thanks
It sounds like it's time for a good service! Normally with quartz watches it's easier to simply replace the entire movement, but the ETA 963.116 (possibly) fitted in your watch is no longer produced and difficult to source. A good clean may do the trick though. Alternatively, it may be a busted circuit board and I think they are easier to find than NOS movements. If you are based in Sydney there are a few good watchmakers I can recommend.
maxgara1979
Thanks for the info, I would love to get it working again.
I am based in Sydney, so any recommendation would be gratefully received.
Thanks
  maxgara1979 Beginner

Staff were allowed to keep them after the switch to digital watches.
My one needs more than a lens. I had the battery replaced and it still didn't work.
Thanks
It sounds like it's time for a good service! Normally with quartz watches it's easier to simply replace the entire movement, but the ETA 963.116 (possibly) fitted in your watch is no longer produced and difficult to source. A good clean may do the trick though. Alternatively, it may be a busted circuit board and I think they are easier to find than NOS movements. If you are based in Sydney there are a few good watchmakers I can recommend.
Thanks for the info, I would love to get it working again.
I am based in Sydney, so any recommendation would be gratefully received.
Thanks
icdog
I've just sent you a PM!

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