Cricket 2019 - World Cup & Ashes

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Australia now out leaving an England and New Zealand Final.

Australia was in deep trouble after only a few overs loosing wickets quickly and Finch for a DUCK.

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Australia was completely outplayed in all respects. England won with 107 balls to spare, and that tells it all.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Getting everything together in the big matches has traditionally been a strength of Australia, well done to England for getting it right this time.

Australia's next ODI series is against India in January, leaving the selectors plenty of time to work out who will replace Finch as the captain. Best option will probably be to have Carey (as a taste of what may come) or Shaun Marsh (as a pre-retirement gift) fill in for that series pending the return of Smith in the winter away series.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Australia's next ODI series is against India in January, leaving the selectors plenty of time to work out who will replace Finch as the captain. Best option will probably be to have Carey (as a taste of what may come) or Shaun Marsh (as a pre-retirement gift)
"justapassenger"
To quote Mr J McEnroe, "You cannot be serious". Shaun Marsh? He's not worth a place in any form of the game. Anyway, why do you have Finch being replaced?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The context of the India series (no WC2023 qualification points on the line, going head to head with more commercially important BBL at the same time) means that sending an under-strength team to that series should not be ruled out. It would be a good farewell national tour for players like Marsh, Maxwell and Khawaja.

Finch should be gone because losing the World Cup has been a sacking offence for an Australian captain for nearly 40 years now, that's how Australia sets the standard in ODI cricket.

He probably won't be at the next tournament as he'll be lucky enough to still be playing anything other than a couple of T20 tournaments per year by then with his dodgy back, but while he's still got the form he has plenty to contribute to the team as a senior player supporting the new captain who will take the team through to the 2023 World Cup.

Accepting Finch's resignation but asking he stay on until Smith's captaincy ban expires would be another option.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Not sure which of you guys watched the final but WOW probably the best cricket final I have ever witnessed.  50 overs completed with a draw 241 a piece.  The last over of the game proper bowled by Boult and was a cracker with Ben Stokes amazing over including a 6 and 4 overthrows.   The way the overthrow occurred was the issue for some as it hit Stokes and wen to the boundary!

Break was taken and the super overs began with England batting first making 15 with 6 balls.

Then it was NZ's turn. Archer the bowler for England.

First ball a wide
Second ball a 6 was hit

down to the last ball and 2 were required to win for NZ.

The shot, then ran 2 with a runout at the keeper end.  Scores tied again.

England won account hitting more boundaries in the game.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Was a great match, agreed. Between the Tour, Wimbledon and the World Cup final, there’ll be a few sickies chucked today!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It was quite a good stage of the Tour too, and the British Grand Prix was one of the better F1 races in recent times.

The countback on boundaries seems like a pretty brutal method to use for awarding the title which has been tied twice, and I would be very surprised if it were not changed before the next World Cup. Switching to wickets taken during the match should be preferable, but an even more courageous method would be to recognise the tie as the result.

I would also guess that there will be changes to formally eliminate overthrows off the bat in the future. Etiquette dictates that they aren't taken 99% of the time, but etiquette couldn't stop the ball going to the boundary. Just for good measure, the umpires may have ruled incorrectly and given one too many runs for that one.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Not sure which of you guys watched the final but WOW probably the best cricket final I have ever witnessed.  50 overs completed with a draw 241 a piece.  The last over of the game proper bowled by Boult and was a cracker with Ben Stokes amazing over including a 6 and 4 overthrows.   The way the overthrow occurred was the issue for some as it hit Stokes and wen to the boundary!
bevans

As people here know, I'm rather fond of my cricket.  And in this game I turned it off and went to bed just before Butler got out, as England were on top and even I found the game too  .... boring Smile.  In my defence it is dull old 50 over cricket, still not a patch on the sustained excitement of the 2005 ashes.

I still think there is some irony in England having now played four world up finals, even claiming the title once, without ever winning one.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

England won account hitting more boundaries in the game.
bevans

I'm not so sure New Zealand are completely out of the hunt yet.  If I were England, I wouldn't be nailing down the trophy until the results Ben Stoke's urine sample are in.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
England won account hitting more boundaries in the game.

I'm not so sure New Zealand are completely out of the hunt yet.  If I were England, I wouldn't be nailing down the trophy until the results Ben Stoke's urine sample are in.
djf01
A Kiwi playing for the side cheating.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Australia's batsmen are struggling in their internal trial match ahead of the Ashes opener next week. Each team had just one score greater than 20 runs (Marnus Labuschagne 41, Mitchell Marsh 29) in the first innings.

England's batsmen are also struggling, bowled out for 85 in a trial match at a county ground Test at Lord's against Ireland. England won the toss and chose to bat, and were then back in the pavilion for an early lunch after Ireland bowled them out for 85 runs, long-serving pace bowler Tim Murtagh's 5/13 making him the first Ireland player to get his name on the away honours board.

In addition to commencing the World Test Championship, it has now been confirmed that the Ashes will be the first Test series to have concussion substitutes.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Much kudos to that great big bogan Matthew Wade.  His innings of 110 on day 4 of the Edgebaston test was very very important, and it was played with a lot of maturity and ... I can't believe I'm writing this ... intelligence.  

The bowling wasn't much, but the pitch was slow, turning a lot and quite inconsistent.  He worked over the bowlers beautifully.  Australia were in a precarious position still behind in the game, and had he failed we'd have almost certainly lost the first test and the ashes with it.

But he played with measured risk, yet kept a high price on his wicket.  S Smith was starting to go off the reservation as he neared his hundred, much as T Head did.  But Wade helped get him back under control and got another important 50 runs out of him.

The weakness of Wade as a batter and a player generally IMHO is he pre-empts a lot, and plays what he things is coming, not what actually is.  In this innings he clearly thought through how he wanted to play the Pommie spinners, and got it exactly right for the conditions and the context of the match.  

Both Smith's innings saved Australia, and he's clearly worth two top order batters.  But despite Smith's heroics, Wade's innings took Australia from a losing position to a potential winning one.

I've said a lot of unflattering things things about that bogan here and elsewhere.  But credit where it's due, for mine Matthew Wade's was the best innings played by an Aussie in an Ashes test in many a long year.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

110 runs, nice innings.

Still well short of the innings where he achieved 218 Nice Garys Razz

Bancroft - one Test and back out?
Siddle - make way for Starc?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Spelling Correction:
Noyce Gary

... achieved 218 Nice Garys Razz
justapassenger
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

My computer doesn't have the bogan dictionary installed.

It's telling that after Newlands last year, England seem to have coincidentally also lost the ability to get the ball to go reverse. Could be a good one for Tim Paine to ask Joe Root when he's keeping nice and close to the stump mike later in the series.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

My computer doesn't have the bogan dictionary installed.
justapassenger

I'll have to ask Shazza how she did it for me
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

England have named a 12 man squad for the Second Test.

Their injured fast-medium bowlers James Anderson (pulled up lame half an hour into the first match) and Olly Stone (had a "back issue" the day after seeing Australia win) have been dropped from the original 14 man squad and not replaced.

Sam Curran is in great red ball form and deserves to be first in line to replace Anderson in the playing XI, but England look like they are heading in the direction of giving Jofra Archer a Test debut.

Moeen Ali has been dropped from the squad and replaced with left arm spinner Jack Leach.

No changes have been made to the batting lineup.

Much has been made of Steve Smith being weaker against left arm spin, but I think England have three mistakes with the Ali/Leach change:
1. focusing so heavily on Steve Smith that they dropped the world's #1 wicket taker over the previous year for an inferior player.
2. ignoring that Steve Smith's left arm spin weakness is a weakness against players like Rangana Herath and Ravi Jadeja, not against the likes of Jack Leach.
3. taking just one match to throw out the first principle of team selection (select your best players) and show the world that they are on the run.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


Moeen Ali has been dropped from the squad and replaced with left arm spinner Jack Leach.

justapassenger

Ali had to go his batting has been quite ordinary and he has struggled with the ball.

What do you guys make of this Archer chap?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

A net loss of one left-handed bat if Archer plays or status quo if Curran does.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

England have named a 12 man squad for the Second Test.

Their injured fast-medium bowlers James Anderson (pulled up lame half an hour into the first match) and Olly Stone (had a "back issue" the day after seeing Australia win) have been dropped from the original 14 man squad and not replaced.
justapassenger

Thems the risks with playing a geriatric pace bowler.  Not always, but in test cricket, you lose a fast bowler, you lose the match.  Had Anderson bowled 14 rather 4 overs, Australia would have lost the first test inside 3 days.


Moeen Ali has been dropped from the squad and replaced with left arm spinner Jack Leach.

No changes have been made to the batting lineup.

Much has been made of Steve Smith being weaker against left arm spin, but I think England have three mistakes with the Ali/Leach change:
1. focusing so heavily on Steve Smith that they dropped the world's #1 wicket taker over the previous year for an inferior player.
2. ignoring that Steve Smith's left arm spin weakness is a weakness against players like Rangana Herath and Ravi Jadeja, not against the likes of Jack Leach.
3. taking just one match to throw out the first principle of team selection (select your best players) and show the world that they are on the run.
justapassenger

I was surprised Ali was selected at all, based on his performances against Australia in Australia, but it seems Ali has taken wickets against weaker teams in friendly conditions in the interim.

It's pretty clear to me the Aussies have worked him out with the bat.  And he bowled terribly in the first test, particularly the first innings.  A long hop every 10 balls.  A full toss over Smith's head.  Joe Root looked far more effective.  

I don't know what sort of bowler Leach is, but it would be hard for him - of me for that matter - to bowl worse than M Ali did in the first test.  Sure, anyone can have a bad game, but Ali has proved ineffective against Australia for some time now, and by any measure he's not bowling well enough to be England's front line finger spinner.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The majority of Ali's 48 wickets in the 12 months leading up to the Ashes were in Tests against India in England (combination of quality opposition and difficult conditions) and Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka (against good players of spin on their home turf) so I wouldn't say they were cheap wickets.

Leach picked up a handful in the Sri Lanka series, but went wicketless against Ireland at Lord's a few weeks ago.

No doubt about it, this was a reactive selection which shows England are on the run.

Australia have named their 12 man squad for the Lord's Test:
Warner, Bancroft, Khawaja, Smith, Head, Wade, Paine (c, wk), Cummins, Starc, Siddle, Lyon, Hazlewood
In: Starc, Hazlewood
Out: Pattinson

It will be very interesting to see which fast bowler misses out. Given that it is late in the season and the pitch will be hard, I'd say that Siddle should be the one to miss out. Starc will be an absolute weapon at Lord's (9 wickets in two World Cup matches at the venue) with the natural angle of his left arm action and the slope of the ground.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Only a single change for Australia in the end - Hazlewood in for Pattinson. 55 overs into England's first dig and it appears to be working so far, Hazlewood has three wickets out of the team's six.

After missing out again, I pity whoever has to face Starc in the nets this week.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Warner should be the first to face Starc.  3 times in 3 innings to Broad bowling around the wicket - the ball coming in to him.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It seems that England has found it's own version of Jeff Thomson - Jofra Archer is quick and hostile. Apart from two good efforts by Warner and Labuschagne, the Australian batting fell in a heap against the England pace attack, with Archer getting six wickets. All out for 179; with Warner and Labuschagne totalling 135 runs between them, then addiing 13 extras, we see that nine Australian batsmen contributed just 31 runs between them. Extras was the third highest score.

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