Locos X41 and X42, PN loco scrapping at South Dynon

 
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Schedules in the system for a transfer from North Dynon to Newport Workshops of two G's and a P Class this week (tomorrow IIRC). P being dumped at Newport and G's return light.

Whether the P's to be stripped as per T400 or saved at the last minute remains to be seen.

Oh, and the video I had on my FB page was from March last year when it was reactivated.

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
P20 has been stored at Newport as per S306.
Rolling stock being scrapped are Ex quarry Rakes
  NR61 Station Staff

How long before PN gives the XRs the jaws of death? Only 4 remain in service, 2 BG, 2 SG. The other 5 are in storage.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The XRs are interesting. The first 6 (XR550 to XR555) are all rebuilds of first series X class which ultimately date back to 1966. The final 3 (XR557 - XR559) though were new builds from midway through the last decade.

Either way, they were only built or rebuilt about 15 years ago, so they should have plenty of life left in them, especially with NRs being too heavy for the Mildura line.

Interestingly, there is no XR556, does anybody know why?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The XRs are interesting. The first 6 (XR550 to XR555) are all rebuilds of first series X class which ultimately date back to 1966. The final 3 (XR557 - XR559) though were new builds from midway through the last decade.

Either way, they were only built or rebuilt about 15 years ago, so they should have plenty of life left in them, especially with NRs being too heavy for the Mildura line.

Interestingly, there is no XR556, does anybody know why?
Gman_86
From what I know, Either X31 or X36 were going to be rebuilt into XR's with one retained for preservation. The XR rebuilding Program revealed that it was cheeper to build new locos with the G Engines than to retrofit them into X Classes and thus the new builds emerged. In Short XR556 was going to be rebuilt from X31 or X36. This never eventuated due to PN wanting to Honour the Deal FA Made with SRHC giving them X36 in exchange for getting X31 at a later date in full running order. X36 was decided to be kept as a back up for this deal. There is no XR556 because of this. It was canceled due to PN ending the Rebuild program when they bought up FA.
  ed31880 Train Controller

The XRs are interesting. The first 6 (XR550 to XR555) are all rebuilds of first series X class which ultimately date back to 1966. The final 3 (XR557 - XR559) though were new builds from midway through the last decade.

Either way, they were only built or rebuilt about 15 years ago, so they should have plenty of life left in them, especially with NRs being too heavy for the Mildura line.

Interestingly, there is no XR556, does anybody know why?
From what I know, Either X31 or X36 were going to be rebuilt into XR's with one retained for preservation. The XR rebuilding Program revealed that it was cheeper to build new locos with the G Engines than to retrofit them into X Classes and thus the new builds emerged. In Short XR556 was going to be rebuilt from X31 or X36. This never eventuated due to PN wanting to Honour the Deal FA Made with SRHC giving them X36 in exchange for getting X31 at a later date in full running order. X36 was decided to be kept as a back up for this deal. There is no XR556 because of this. It was canceled due to PN ending the Rebuild program when they bought up FA.
Dangersdan707
I think you will find X31 was always destined to go to SHRC and that it was X36 that was going to be XR556 but it was found to be better value for money to retrofit the existing locos with QES1000 and gain a 50% increase in hauling capability than to fully rebuild into an XR as was done to X36.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Hellelujah! I've finally worked out how to log on after getting "Too many redirects" messages for the last month.

Anyway, Fatty posted: "A T, 2 Xs and S306 are going to preservation groups. I don't know which particualr engines though."

Are you sure about the Xs? PN has X49 in store, but X48 and X50 have both run to Mildura in the last week or so. X45, X46 and X52 were sold to Ettamogah. X47 and X51 went to SCT. Aurizon's X54 is for sale and X53 is already gone.

PS. Not sure about the new reply function here. If you insert a quote, you can only write your own response above it, not below. What was wrong with the old way?    
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I type here,
If you insert a quote, you can only write your own response above it, not below. What was wrong with the old way?
ADB
I type there, you can type anywhere you want!
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Hellelujah! I've finally worked out how to log on after getting "Too many redirects" messages for the last month.

Anyway, Fatty posted: "A T, 2 Xs and S306 are going to preservation groups. I don't know which particualr engines though."

Are you sure about the Xs? PN has X49 in store, but X48 and X50 have both run to Mildura in the last week or so. X45, X46 and X52 were sold to Ettamogah. X47 and X51 went to SCT. Aurizon's X54 is for sale and X53 is already gone.

PS. Not sure about the new reply function here. If you insert a quote, you can only write your own response above it, not below. What was wrong with the old way?    
ADB
It seems reasonable, S306 looks to have turned up in the right part of Newport from what I gather from the photos of that loco, X37 has ended up at Seymour as of a few months ago and I've heard rumour of T379 being sold or at least heading to 'someone', that just leaves the last A left of PNs fleet that's stranded up at Bendigo. It'll be interesting to see if this all turns out to be true and someone's got ahold of that thing and then the second X I imagine could be X49 being the only one stored, although it's been fairly heavily modified in the cab department so perhaps one of 48 or 50 is soon to be retired and someone's got in early. I have my money on Seymour wanting one of every series of X with what they currently have but I digress, anything can happen with the way things have been going lately
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Passed the Yard today where the locos for scrapping have been historically placed and nothing sitting in death row.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Passed the Yard today where the locos for scrapping have been historically placed and nothing sitting in death row.
bevans
There Scraping the Former Quarry Rake ATM
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Hellelujah! I've finally worked out how to log on after getting "Too many redirects" messages for the last month.

Anyway, Fatty posted: "A T, 2 Xs and S306 are going to preservation groups. I don't know which particualr engines though."

Are you sure about the Xs? PN has X49 in store, but X48 and X50 have both run to Mildura in the last week or so. X45, X46 and X52 were sold to Ettamogah. X47 and X51 went to SCT. Aurizon's X54 is for sale and X53 is already gone.

PS. Not sure about the new reply function here. If you insert a quote, you can only write your own response above it, not below. What was wrong with the old way?    
It seems reasonable, S306 looks to have turned up in the right part of Newport from what I gather from the photos of that loco, X37 has ended up at Seymour as of a few months ago and I've heard rumour of T379 being sold or at least heading to 'someone', that just leaves the last A left of PNs fleet that's stranded up at Bendigo. It'll be interesting to see if this all turns out to be true and someone's got ahold of that thing and then the second X I imagine could be X49 being the only one stored, although it's been fairly heavily modified in the cab department so perhaps one of 48 or 50 is soon to be retired and someone's got in early. I have my money on Seymour wanting one of every series of X with what they currently have but I digress, anything can happen with the way things have been going lately
DounutCereal

Certainly wasn't questioning the info re S306. I took "Fatty" as meaning two Xs in addition to X37, as the latter had already gone to Seymour. Anyway, all will be revealed, eventually.

PS: Graham, I've just realised the old reply function is still there. I just didn't notice it because it's been a month or more since I've been able to log on!
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
My sources tell me a Y,T and H1 are currently in the holding tracks at the MFT to have fluids drained before being scrapped.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Now why you couldn't just donate them to one of our tourist railways with the usual non leasing  caveats has got me bewildered.

I get the X's we're end of life, and the others here probably are too, but a T/Y could be very handy on one of those smaller railways.

Let's be honest, Pac Nat isn't scrapping the stuff cos their scrap value is awesome.

If they towed the latest offerings to Castlemaine and left it in platform 3 with 'free to good home' caveats et all, someone might be happy.

Anyway, back to the real world...... where clearly they won't let someone buy them (SSR) for use on works trains...

Regards
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
If you understood some of the (relatively recent) history PacNat has with preservation groups, old BG locos and mainline leasing you’d be more inclined to agree with PacNat’s stance on loco scrapping. Seymour leasing out C501 & X31 to PacNat’s competitors is the tip of the iceberg...
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Now why you couldn't just donate them to one of our tourist railways with the usual non leasing  caveats has got me bewildered.

I get the X's we're end of life, and the others here probably are too, but a T/Y could be very handy on one of those smaller railways.

Let's be honest, Pac Nat isn't scrapping the stuff cos their scrap value is awesome.

If they towed the latest offerings to Castlemaine and left it in platform 3 with 'free to good home' caveats et all, someone might be happy.

Anyway, back to the real world...... where clearly they won't let someone buy them (SSR) for use on works trains...

Regards
davesvline
PN have earmarked a number of locos for preservation recently with exactly the caveats you suggest.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

If you understood some of the (relatively recent) history PacNat has with preservation groups, old BG locos and mainline leasing you’d be more inclined to agree with PacNat’s stance on loco scrapping. Seymour leasing out C501 & X31 to PacNat’s competitors is the tip of the iceberg...
LancedDendrite

I'd also question exactly how many diesels can be ear-marked for preservation before the heritage market reaches saturation point. 707 Ops have taken to running two H-class behind R707 (which for mine, kind of ruins it as a steam tour), and they had a "Suburban Rambler"-style tour recently that had three carriages and four diesels. How many heritage diesels can the market sustain?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
If you understood some of the (relatively recent) history PacNat has with preservation groups, old BG locos and mainline leasing you’d be more inclined to agree with PacNat’s stance on loco scrapping. Seymour leasing out C501 & X31 to PacNat’s competitors is the tip of the iceberg...

I'd also question exactly how many diesels can be ear-marked for preservation before the heritage market reaches saturation point. 707 Ops have taken to running two H-class behind R707 (which for mine, kind of ruins it as a steam tour), and they had a "Suburban Rambler"-style tour recently that had three carriages and four diesels. How many heritage diesels can the market sustain?
ADB
Never enough. ARHS would probably still like on of everything for Their backyard in Newport and Seymour would alway want more as they've shown us.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Never enough. ARHS would probably still like on of everything for Their backyard in Newport and Seymour would alway want more as they've shown us.
DangersDan707

Yeah, but the locos marked for preservation haven't been going to ARHS and - at the risk of opening old wounds - SRHC have been more of a diesel hire service than a heritage outfit, recently. With locos now having a caveat prohibiting hire to PN's competitors, the "new" ones going to preservation will be for railfan tours only. So - unless the latest preserved lococs are being donated as parts bins - we're back to how many more diesels can the heritage market support?

The answer might be "Heaps" for all I know, but if so, I'd like a reasoned answer as to why.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Never enough. ARHS would probably still like on of everything for Their backyard in Newport and Seymour would alway want more as they've shown us.

Yeah, but the locos marked for preservation haven't been going to ARHS and - at the risk of opening old wounds - SRHC have been more of a diesel hire service than a heritage outfit, recently. With locos now having a caveat prohibiting hire to PN's competitors, the "new" ones going to preservation will be for railfan tours only. So - unless the latest preserved lococs are being donated as parts bins - we're back to how many more diesels can the heritage market support?

The answer might be "Heaps" for all I know, but if so, I'd like a reasoned answer as to why.
ADB
Characterising the SRHC of today as "more of a diesel hire service than a heritage outfit" is inaccurate. SRHC runs a fair number of tours now (including the successful Royal Train specials from Castlemaine to Bendigo over the last couple of months) and you'll notice on their blog that they have no locos out on hire (S303 finishing a stint with QUBE in March this year was the last such occurrence).

The ar$e fell out of the 'heritage diesel hire' market in Victoria when the Mildura line was gauge converted and SSR moved into the BG grain haulage business with their own 'heritage fleet. The SG hire market has been saturated for a while now, with most players now either having their own 'heritage' fleets (like SSR) or simply hiring modern motive power off CFCLA to run the jobs that previously would've been done by heritage group locos. The game has changed.

As for your bloviating about the 707 Ops diesels: as I understand it H3 & H5 are not owned by any preservation groups but by Col Rees through Regional Connect. T413 is owned by a separate preservation group. That leaves 707 with the F class units and the Y; hardly mainline diesel units of great utility.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Characterising the SRHC of today as "more of a diesel hire service than a heritage outfit" is inaccurate. SRHC runs a fair number of tours now (including the successful Royal Train specials from Castlemaine to Bendigo over the last couple of months) and you'll notice on their blog that they have no locos out on hire (S303 finishing a stint with QUBE in March this year was the last such occurrence).
LancedDendrite

I said "recently". I would characterise March of this year (when SRHC were still leasing out S303) as "recent".  


The ar$e fell out of the 'heritage diesel hire' market in Victoria.....
LancedDendrite

Which probably has had a bit to do with SRHC running more tours. Which was my main point - if S303, B74 etc are now much more available for tours, will adding X37, S306, two more Xs as suggested by Fatty above, as well as more Ts etc saturate the tour market? This is simply an honest question - I don't know the answer.

As for your bloviating about the 707 Ops diesels....
LancedDendrite

"Bloviating"? I suggest you look up the meaning of words before you use them.
  darcycammo Chief Train Controller

Location: cockatoo vic
It’s funny how you say SRHC don’t lease there locos but both S303 and X31 are back out on hire to Qube and are meant to be picked up today apparently
  max_thum Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
It’s funny how you say SRHC don’t lease there locos but both S303 and X31 are back out on hire to Qube and are meant to be picked up today apparently
darcycammo
All due respect, as an SRHC member, I haven't heard anything about X31-S303 going on hire. More than likely just a rumour.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It’s funny how you say SRHC don’t lease there locos but both S303 and X31 are back out on hire to Qube and are meant to be picked up today apparently
All due respect, as an SRHC member, I haven't heard anything about X31-S303 going on hire. More than likely just a rumour.
max_thum

bunch of people saying its because the Vls are out of action
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Characterising the SRHC of today as "more of a diesel hire service than a heritage outfit" is inaccurate. SRHC runs a fair number of tours now (including the successful Royal Train specials from Castlemaine to Bendigo over the last couple of months) and you'll notice on their blog that they have no locos out on hire (S303 finishing a stint with QUBE in March this year was the last such occurrence).

I said "recently". I would characterise March of this year (when SRHC were still leasing out S303) as "recent".
ADB

You're moving the goalposts there buddy. SRHC is a heritage outfit much more than a diesel hire service. That does not exclude them from hiring out locos on occasion. Tours & charters are a much bigger portion of their revenue than loco hire these days.


As for your bloviating about the 707 Ops diesels....

"Bloviating"? I suggest you look up the meaning of words before you use them.
ADB
I meant what I said and I said what I meant.

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