Location: Banned
No they’re not. They’re not run push-pull at all.
Moorebank Intermodal Terminal
The_trolley
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Banned
SinickleBird
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Just build a balloon loop. Keep locos attached.
Lockspike
Deputy Commissioner
It is a simple solution. You can't compare this to old world traversers. So the occasional freight car falls in. Its obviously a small risk compared to the advantages. I think its brilliant.What is the problem that requires this "simple solution"?
Is there ANY advantage in this traverser over turnouts?
M636C
Minister for Railways
The use of turnouts would have required considerable additional space or shorter sidings.It is a simple solution. You can't compare this to old world traversers. So the occasional freight car falls in. Its obviously a small risk compared to the advantages. I think its brilliant.What is the problem that requires this "simple solution"?
Is there ANY advantage in this traverser over turnouts?
Currently the QUBE trains run with one loco at each end.
If they plan to continue this. a traverser is ideal for moving one loco from the arriving train to the departing train.
Peter
M636C
Minister for Railways
The use of turnouts would have required considerable additional space or shorter sidings.It is a simple solution. You can't compare this to old world traversers. So the occasional freight car falls in. Its obviously a small risk compared to the advantages. I think its brilliant.What is the problem that requires this "simple solution"?
Is there ANY advantage in this traverser over turnouts?
Currently the QUBE trains run with one loco at each end.
If they plan to continue this. a traverser is ideal for moving one loco from the arriving train to the departing train.
Peter
fzr560
Chief Train Controller
As noted previously by the_trolley, under normal circumstances, Qubes Minto and Yennora shuttles are run as head-end power only. IIRC Qube(and it's predesessors) did run push-pull to Minto when it was just a dead-end stub but reverted head end as soon as the yard expansion was completed.
Lockspike
Deputy Commissioner
Ah, so they are critically short of space; thereby justifying the relatively complex traverserWhat is the problem that requires this "simple solution"?The use of turnouts would have required considerable additional space or shorter sidings.
Is there ANY advantage in this traverser over turnouts?
Currently the QUBE trains run with one loco at each end.
If they plan to continue this. a traverser is ideal for moving one loco from the arriving train to the departing train.
Peter
It's the same ol' problem that model railways suffer - not enough space!
Just The Tip
Junior Train Controller
Location: Danger zone
Once again on Railpage Australia™, we see the people who like trains try to argue with the people who operate trains.
And, once again, the people who operate end up banging their heads against the brick wall.
And, once again, the people who operate end up banging their heads against the brick wall.
catchpoint
Assistant Commissioner
Location: At the end of a loop
The problem can be overcome by providing a track on the far side of the traverser on the arrival roads.
The first loco is uncoupled and run ahead, the second loco is moved first.
The two locos end up in the same arrangement as they arrived.
Peter
Latest Nearmap shows buffers on all four roads on the far side (northern) of the traverser.
Regards,
Catchpoint
catchpoint
Assistant Commissioner
Location: At the end of a loop
It’ll be interesting to see how the traverser pays off when it suffers a failure and a part needs to go to Western Sydney for rebuilding or the lead time on a replacement component is six weeks out of Europe. It’s going to be a lot of extra shunting that’s for sure.
Keep it simple stupid as they say.
Bu isn't it, the traverser already located in "Western Sydney"? nothing that some site welding and a five pound bash hammer could fix?
Europe yep, six weeks plus more likely.
Regards,
Catchpoint
catchpoint
Assistant Commissioner
Location: At the end of a loop
It's not simple compared to a set of points.Only an engineer would try to justify another engineers logic by further complicating the original idea Peter! Points for trying though.It is a simple solution. You can't compare this to old world traversers. So the occasional freight car falls in. Its obviously a small risk compared to the advantages. I think its brilliant.
There’s no turntable, there’s no road the other side of the traverser and there’s not going to be. So, with a traditional set of manual points how to do you run two locomotives around the train? You cut off, run clear of the points and go back the other way. Even with a road the other side of the traverser as described you’re still splitting locomotives, performing separate moves and reamalgamating them. In no ones eyes could that be seen as efficient other than by someone trying to save space on a plan.
Traversers have a place in the world. Workshops, confined flour mills etc. Not at the end of four 600 metre roads with incoming multiple unit combination on the head end.
It’ll be interesting to see how the traverser pays off when it suffers a failure and a part needs to go to Western Sydney for rebuilding or the lead time on a replacement component is six weeks out of Europe. It’s going to be a lot of extra shunting that’s for sure.
Keep it simple stupid as they say.
What about a set of catch points and a ball lever on each road at the traverser for some "low-tech" protection of wagons falling / shunting into the pit?
May also give the 2nd person something to sit on while the shunting of the locos takes place
the ball lever arm that is, but that's not allowed these days is itRegards,
Catchpoint
Jack Le Lievre
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Moolap Station, Vic
QUBE had their first Rail Movement into their IMEX Facility at Moorebank yesterday when QBX005 ran Light Engine. They have been performing some sighting duties since.
The_trolley
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Banned
Site open. Traverser broken.
Lockspike
Deputy Commissioner
Site open. Traverser broken.Really? It didn't take long!
Just The Tip
Junior Train Controller
Location: Danger zone
Site open. Traverser broken.Loco or wagon in the pit yet? There is a sweep going...
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