Munro Street Signal Box under threat

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 23 Aug 2019 13:54
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Really starting to think skyrail for this line is not the answer and we should be dropping the line under the roads.

I would like to think some of the character of the line should be preserved and that signal box is in amazing condition when you consider its age.

Munro Street Signal Box under threat

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  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Really starting to think skyrail for this line is not the answer and we should be dropping the line under the roads.

I would like to think some of the character of the line should be preserved and that signal box is in amazing condition when you consider its age.

Munro Street Signal Box under threat
bevans
The Upfield Line is NOT a heritage line .
It is part of a functioning Metropolitan transit network which needs upgrading to fulfill it`s function in a growing city .
The Signal Box is not used for any purpose .It would be good if it could be  but if there is no use for it then perhaps it needs to go .
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I imagine if you told the men who built that signal box it would one day be superseded and need to be demolished to improve the railway, they would be delighted.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Just see what the locals think of this, See how the community feels about it and have them decide, once it's gone, it's gone for good. Do they Value removing a level Crossing, Protecting this box or Maybe some compromise? Wait and see. And @bevans , theres older Boxes than that in better nick still being used.
  toholio Station Master

Just see what the locals think of this...
Dangersdan707
I can't speak to the heritage value of the signal box but as someone who lives (and owns property) within 50m of the Upfield line I am fully in favour of SkyRail.

Apart from the rail improvements this is also going to allow for huge improvements to the Upfield bicycle path, which is currently not fit for purpose. It's just a pity the level crossing removals aren't being planned for the entire length of the line.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is Munro street box the same design and era of Kensington Box ?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
What is the point of protecting such a building?

There has to come a point where we realise not everything can be kept, and these processes are to deal with that.

In this day and age, we can document such a building with high quality photography, write brilliant written descriptions and save it in a form that wont be lost.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
This is not in the LXRA's ambit, but would it be possible for the box to be moved, similar to the one at Ringwood?
  CraigieburnLineUser Station Master

What is the point of protecting such a building?

There has to come a point where we realise not everything can be kept, and these processes are to deal with that.

In this day and age, we can document such a building with high quality photography, write brilliant written descriptions and save it in a form that wont be lost.
TOQ-1

We can even take 360 degree photos/video. Describe its smells and when we come up with Holodecks we can make a 95-99% accurate recreation
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

My thoughts:

1. If they dropped the line, the signal box would probably still have to be demolished anyway, being as it's pretty close to both station and road.
2. If it's of significant heritage value, relocate it - as per the Clayton station building etc.

On a related note:

3. If it's of significant heritage value, its current state doesn't really reflect that...  It might be in good condition structurally, but its main function at the moment seems to be in collecting graffiti.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

Uncle Dan’s PR machine rolls over those pesky community groups. Copy and paste from CD9 looks good.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/removing-level-crossings-and-creating-new-green-open-space/
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

The community group opposing CD9 was about 50% genuine grassroots, 50% astroturf.  Along the Upfield line I doubt the Libs will put money into the astroturfing as they know they aren't in the race for seats there either way, so if a signal box is the best they can come up with, Dan won't have much trouble.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

Big whoop, no one will miss this abandoned relic.
  Llib7 Beginner

Is it possible to retain and repurpose the box in the form of bike parking like they did in Glen Iris.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Is it possible to retain and repurpose the box in the form of bike parking like they did in Glen Iris.
Llib7
Only if it loses its roof according to one diagram I saw, probably on the Upgrade Upfield site. The elevated rail alignment and height will cut off a decent amount of that.

Neil
  Llib7 Beginner

Is it possible to retain and repurpose the box in the form of bike parking like they did in Glen Iris.
Only if it loses its roof according to one diagram I saw, probably on the Upgrade Upfield site. The elevated rail alignment and height will cut off a decent amount of that.

Neil
ngarner
Maybe placed to the side looks like there is room in parts of the corridor.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Who's paying for the relocation/re-purposing of the box?
  Llib7 Beginner

Good point maybe the community can organise a fundraiser as they should put their money where their mouth is.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Who's paying for the relocation/re-purposing of the box?
Valvegear

I think (but not sure) that the state govt (via LXRA) paid to move the Clayton station building.

But the CD9 was a far riskier political gamble for the Andrews government than the Upfield project will be.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Who's paying for the relocation/re-purposing of the box?

I think (but not sure) that the state govt (via LXRA) paid to move the Clayton station building.

But the CD9 was a far riskier political gamble for the Andrews government than the Upfield project will be.
Adogs
Is it even possible to relocate a Brick building intact?
  Lockie91 Train Controller

Spot on DangerousDan

With Clayton the station buildings were timber on stumps, making a relocation very easy. Cut it in pieces and put it on the back of a truck.  

Brick on a concrete slab is impossible to pick up and shift. The building would need to be dismantled brick by brick then rebuilt. Each brick would need to be numbered and replaced in the correct position.  LXRA has costed this in the millions and suggested this could take up to 12 months.

For a building that had no significant historical, cultural or social importance this is just a waste of money.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Spot on DangerousDan

With Clayton the station buildings were timber on stumps, making a relocation very easy. Cut it in pieces and put it on the back of a truck.  

Brick on a concrete slab is impossible to pick up and shift. The building would need to be dismantled brick by brick then rebuilt. Each brick would need to be numbered and replaced in the correct position.  LXRA has costed this in the millions and suggested this could take up to 12 months.

For a building that had no significant historical, cultural or social importance this is just a waste of money.
Lockie91
It may not have been built on a slab, but even so, I agree with your post.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Who's paying for the relocation/re-purposing of the box?

I think (but not sure) that the state govt (via LXRA) paid to move the Clayton station building.

But the CD9 was a far riskier political gamble for the Andrews government than the Upfield project will be.
Is it even possible to relocate a Brick building intact?
Dangersdan707
Yep; The redundant brick Hornsby Box was picked up and moved out of the way of new track a few years ago
  pvcommuter Station Master

Good point maybe the community can organise a fundraiser as they should put their money where their mouth is.
Llib7
Reverse that. There are plenty of lovely red clinker bricks in the Munro St box and the substation opposite. There is also a perpetual stream of (cashed up inner city) renovations and extensions going on across the nearby suburbs, and a shortage of high-quality, hand-recovered red clinker bricks. So auction the building materials as a community fundraiser, this should be able to raise many thousands.

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