Designing Victoria’s Next Generation Trams And Trains

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 23 Sep 2019 10:10
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

According to this press release, long-haul VLocitys should be operating in less than 12 months:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/work-starts-to-get-vlocity-trains-for-the-north-east-line/

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  NimbleJack Station Master

At this stage, plans are for six SG long-haul VLocity sets,. Three cars with improved seats and a buffet module is the likeliest configuration. Don't expect to see them before 2021.

Personally, I'd replace everything north of Wandong with a fine fleet of clean, comfortable buses. But then again, I'm not a politician.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

1. HCMT is a 10 car train. Won't be able to ( or needed to) be run on every metro line due to the City Loop (mainly)
2. Downer's Newport workshop is space constrained. Bombardier is busy building VLo's and Trams. We need more manufacturing output
3. Alstom has a factory in Ballarat which can build trains. We need them as quick as possible, this is a way of increasing output whilst keeping knowledge in-state rather than outsourcing everything to China/South Korea as NSW has done.
John.Z
1. The train is modular and so if you only need 6 or 7 carriages then take 3-4 carriages out and you have your new train and don't waste time going with a new design.
2. Maybe try some of the old automotive facilities laying around Melbourne.
3. Such Manufacturing left NSW long ago. It isn't just a liberal government thing it started with Labour when they decided to get the Waratah's built in China instead of continuing with building the Milleniums in Cardiff. Automotive manufacturing left in the early 90's and so we just don't have any affiliation with Made in Australia any more in Sydney. Not only that but the Made in China/ France / Spain / South Korea stuff is just as reliable as the Made in Australia stuff. Labor did that because we lacked the skills because of the mining booms in QLD and WA.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I covered that if you read my posts. Victoria has a new commuter set and there is a thread on it already. Your building new trains for every segment already and so why are you talking about next generation rolling stock when you are already building the next generation rolling stock in the high capacity train. You should be talking about ordering more of these instead of a hypothetical new commuter rolling stock.
simstrain

The government has announced they are looking at design options for a new train type that is not a VLocity or a HCMT. That is what we are discussing here.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

1. The train is modular and so if you only need 6 or 7 carriages then take 3-4 carriages out and you have your new train and don't waste time going with a new design.
2. Maybe try some of the old automotive facilities laying around Melbourne.
3. Such Manufacturing left NSW long ago. It isn't just a liberal government thing it started with Labour when they decided to get the Waratah's built in China instead of continuing with building the Milleniums in Cardiff. Automotive manufacturing left in the early 90's and so we just don't have any affiliation with Made in Australia any more in Sydney. Not only that but the Made in China/ France / Spain / South Korea stuff is just as reliable as the Made in Australia stuff. Labor did that because we lacked the skills because of the mining booms in QLD and WA.
simstrain
A lot of words, none that address my point.

The output capacity of the HCMT is not sufficient to continue to replace the ageing rolling stock we have on the network. Xtrap 2.0 does this.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
At this stage, plans are for six SG long-haul VLocity sets,. Three cars with improved seats and a buffet module is the likeliest configuration. Don't expect to see them before 2021.

Personally, I'd replace everything north of Wandong with a fine fleet of clean, comfortable buses. But then again, I'm not a politician.
NimbleJack

Once you put busses on permanently, you can say goodbye to around 50% of your potential market. People hate buses...cramped, rough riding etc... and only tolerate them as rail replacements.

On my line this morning..,.there was around 40% of the usual patronage because everyone knew in advance of the bustitution from Melton to the City.

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

A lot of words, none that address my point.

The output capacity of the HCMT is not sufficient to continue to replace the ageing rolling stock we have on the network. Xtrap 2.0 does this.
John.Z
So then what about this thread. https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398629.htm

Also if as I read in this thread Alstom is looking for more work then why haven't more of you mexicans taken the labor government to task for giving the high capacity contract to Alstom instead of EDI?
  NimbleJack Station Master

At this stage, plans are for six SG long-haul VLocity sets,. Three cars with improved seats and a buffet module is the likeliest configuration. Don't expect to see them before 2021.

Personally, I'd replace everything north of Wandong with a fine fleet of clean, comfortable buses. But then again, I'm not a politician.

Once you put busses on permanently, you can say goodbye to around 50% of your potential market. People hate buses...cramped, rough riding etc... and only tolerate them as rail replacements.

On my line this morning..,.there was around 40% of the usual patronage because everyone knew in advance of the bustitution from Melton to the City.

Mike.
The Vinelander

True enough. I think we'd all agree that there's something inherently civilised about travelling by rail. Replace too many trains with buses and you risk creating a patronage death-spiral.

That said, I'm not convinced that the Albury service is salvageable as long as ARTC retain control of the tracks. It's their little freight empire and passenger operations are just another nuisance.

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