Tangara Technology Upgrade

 
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
*sigh*

Yes, that’s what I implied.
s3_gunzel
It makes no sense that they are upgrading almost everything else, but left out that specific announcement.

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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
*sigh*

Yes, that’s what I implied.
It makes no sense that they are upgrading almost everything else, but left out that specific announcement.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Ok well, when you're done foaming at the mouth--

The door DVAs were never part of the Train Management System, so of course they weren't 'upgraded'. Not nearly everything has been upgraded. The PA will quite likely still be terrible, the seats are the same... All that's basically happened is they've put a new TMS in which means they now have CCTV and internal PIDs as standard. That's it. Dragging a train into the twenty-first century.

It's still a Tangara. It's still a steaming piece of crap.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
It's still a Tangara. It's still a steaming piece of crap.
s3_gunzel
And it’s still filled with ads when no other trains have them.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
It's still a Tangara. It's still a steaming piece of crap.
And it’s still filled with ads when no other trains have them.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
And the relevance of this to the TTU is?
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
It's still a Tangara. It's still a steaming piece of crap.
And it’s still filled with ads when no other trains have them.
And the relevance of this to the TTU is?
s3_gunzel
Apparently they are putting ads on the PIDs.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Apparently they are putting ads on the PIDs.
Sydney Metro Vlogs


Capability doesn't mean effect.

For example, and here's where you're wrong, the B Sets have exactly the same; the ability to have ads on them. See any external ads? No, neither do I. Just a lot of Transport info.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

*sigh*

Yes, that’s what I implied.
It makes no sense that they are upgrading almost everything else, but left out that specific announcement.
Ok well, when you're done foaming at the mouth--

The door DVAs were never part of the Train Management System, so of course they weren't 'upgraded'. Not nearly everything has been upgraded. The PA will quite likely still be terrible, the seats are the same... All that's basically happened is they've put a new TMS in which means they now have CCTV and internal PIDs as standard. That's it. Dragging a train into the twenty-first century.

It's still a Tangara. It's still a steaming piece of crap.
s3_gunzel
PA should be changed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

It's still a Tangara. It's still a steaming piece of crap.
And it’s still filled with ads when no other trains have them.
And the relevance of this to the TTU is?
Apparently they are putting ads on the PIDs.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
That... that makes no sense...
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
PA should be changed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
SupremeLeaderSmeagol


Depends if they've changed the actual speakers out. May or may not have happened.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Apparently they are putting ads on the PIDs.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
They could run ads on the PIDs but I think there is no point since the Tangaras already have a lot of ads on them (the external panels, the top deck, the bottom deck and vestibule area). Hopefully the new PIDs will take advantage of the new PIDs unlike the B Sets, and provide additional information like they do on the metro and the B Sets PIDs are updated after the success of the TTU.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

PA should be changed. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Depends if they've changed the actual speakers out. May or may not have happened.
s3_gunzel
The speakers have to be changed. Otherwise, you can't hear which station you're at, and the guard announcements are muffled at the moment - factors that contribute to accessibility.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I thought that was because I sat in the quiet carriage.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

I thought that was because I sat in the quiet carriage.
route14
There aren't any quiet carriages on the Tangaras
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Well, I thought I sat in one because the announcements were so soft.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

Well, I thought I sat in one because the announcements were so soft.
route14
That's typical of all Tangaras... Back to the topic of TTUP2.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
Well, I thought I sat in one because the announcements were so soft.
That's typical of all Tangaras... Back to the topic of TTUP2.
SupremeLeaderSmeagol
Not a big thing, but will the upgrade change the emergency diagrams to include the new doors?
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

Well, I thought I sat in one because the announcements were so soft.
That's typical of all Tangaras... Back to the topic of TTUP2.
Not a big thing, but will the upgrade change the emergency diagrams to include the new doors?
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Probably won't be bothered to spend the time and money to upgrade the stickers. Let's not forget that the doors themselves were once in dire need of changing, yet that didn't happen for some time.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

Anyone here got news of the test sets? And what sets are undergoing the refurbishment?
  MoreBurwoodTrains Beginner

Location: Los Angeles, California
Anyone here got news of the test sets? And what sets are undergoing the refurbishment?
SupremeLeaderSmeagol
Still testing as of last week which makes a total of 5 months. It took 5 months to get the B sets from testing to service. Maybe that is a guide.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

Anyone here got news of the test sets? And what sets are undergoing the refurbishment?
Still testing as of last week which makes a total of 5 months. It took 5 months to get the B sets from testing to service. Maybe that is a guide.
MoreBurwoodTrains
I'm hoping it is. Although the TOC waiver states testing up to 12/12/2019, and they may extend that further again.
  MoreBurwoodTrains Beginner

Location: Los Angeles, California
If Anytrip is to believed, the test 8 car set did a couple of runs picking up passengers last night among its normal testing routine, including one trip from Ashfield to Sydney Terminal. TripView confirmed this was a special run, but one open to the public. Keep an eye out on Anytrip and you may be able to hop on board to try it out.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

If Anytrip is to believed, the test 8 car set did a couple of runs picking up passengers last night among its normal testing routine, including one trip from Ashfield to Sydney Terminal. TripView confirmed this was a special run, but one open to the public. Keep an eye out on Anytrip and you may be able to hop on board to try it out.
MoreBurwoodTrains
Testing involves stopping at a couple of stations and opening the doors but that doesn’t necessarily mean they allowed passengers to board. Unless they’ve taken down the signs blocking the doors, they wouldn’t have been able to board anyway. Also I’m pretty sure Sydney Trains isn’t allowed to carry passengers while testing as they are meant to be in the process of determining whether the train is safe and whether it functions properly.
  MoreBurwoodTrains Beginner

Location: Los Angeles, California
If Anytrip is to believed, the test 8 car set did a couple of runs picking up passengers last night among its normal testing routine, including one trip from Ashfield to Sydney Terminal. TripView confirmed this was a special run, but one open to the public. Keep an eye out on Anytrip and you may be able to hop on board to try it out.
Testing involves stopping at a couple of stations and opening the doors but that doesn’t necessarily mean they allowed passengers to board. Unless they’ve taken down the signs blocking the doors, they wouldn’t have been able to board anyway. Also I’m pretty sure Sydney Trains isn’t allowed to carry passengers while testing as they are meant to be in the process of determining whether the train is safe and whether it functions properly.
C3765
I'm sorry, you may be wrong. I've seen plenty of those testing runs listed, and this one was different. Usually it says things like Empty train, not carrying passengers, etc. The run I saw didn't say that in Anytrip, and also was listed in Tripview as a passenger carrying service. I've never seen any of their previous test runs do a little trip like Ashfield to Central before. It's easy enough to take down and later reset those signs. There was an hour layover at Central which is enough time to do that. The B sets had special passenger carrying journeys as well towards the end of their testing. I got on one.

I'm hoping they'll do something similar tonight with the special Tangara service scheduled to leave Ashfield at 22:52. The same train also leaves Lindfield as passenger service at 21:58 as run 854C. Let's hope it doesn't get canceled because of the fire / heat situation. Ultimately that train is scheduled to return to Auburn tomorrow morning so it looks like it is the TTU set.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

If Anytrip is to believed, the test 8 car set did a couple of runs picking up passengers last night among its normal testing routine, including one trip from Ashfield to Sydney Terminal. TripView confirmed this was a special run, but one open to the public. Keep an eye out on Anytrip and you may be able to hop on board to try it out.
Testing involves stopping at a couple of stations and opening the doors but that doesn’t necessarily mean they allowed passengers to board. Unless they’ve taken down the signs blocking the doors, they wouldn’t have been able to board anyway. Also I’m pretty sure Sydney Trains isn’t allowed to carry passengers while testing as they are meant to be in the process of determining whether the train is safe and whether it functions properly.
I'm sorry, you may be wrong. I've seen plenty of those testing runs listed, and this one was different. Usually it says things like Empty train, not carrying passengers, etc. The run I saw didn't say that in Anytrip, and also was listed in Tripview as a passenger carrying service. I've never seen any of their previous test runs do a little trip like Ashfield to Central before. It's easy enough to take down and later reset those signs. There was an hour layover at Central which is enough time to do that. The B sets had special passenger carrying journeys as well towards the end of their testing. I got on one.

I'm hoping they'll do something similar tonight with the special Tangara service scheduled to leave Ashfield at 22:52. The same train also leaves Lindfield as passenger service at 21:58 as run 854C. Let's hope it doesn't get canceled because of the fire / heat situation. Ultimately that train is scheduled to return to Auburn tomorrow morning so it looks like it is the TTU set.
MoreBurwoodTrains
Impossible - passenger conveyance is not allowed. If you don't believe me, https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/asa_standards/2019/tw-204-309.pdf is the TOC waiver. As per condition 5:

5. Passengers shall not be conveyed at any time, only train crew, security, testing staff, TfNSW staff and maintenance staff is permitted.
TOC Waiver 204-309
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Locomotive Driver

Nothing has changed with the doors.
So it’ll still have that unclear doors closing announcement that the non upgraded tangaras have?
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Nope - footage by Sydney Trains Vlogs shows the test sets as having M-set style door announcements - tones are still the same.

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