The 5 factors setting Port of Newcastle apart

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 07 Oct 2019 12:30
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Clearly something which other ports could think about.

East Coast’s only berth-side rail line

In 2018, Port of Newcastle handled more than 500 rail assets, including wagons, locomotives and passenger cars. As the only port on Australia’s East Coast with berthside rail access, Port of Newcastle provides customers with a distinct advantage thanks to its direct ship to rail connection.

This reduces costly cargo handling steps and ensures a seamless journey from the port to the project site along the uncongested rail network servicing Newcastle and greater NSW.

Port of Newcastle also has the flexibility to securely store and stage shipments on its large parcels of berth-side land prior to transportation. Newcastle’s proximity to Sydney makes it attractive for the import of oversized project cargo, such as tunnel boring machinery, to support the pipeline of infrastructure projects underway in Sydney.
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I thought Queensland Ports like Brisbane and Townsville also had portside rail?

Does Adelaide?

I know Port Pirie does but has not been maintained.

Melbourne?

The 5 factors setting Port of Newcastle apart

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Botany and Kembla have rail to the port but not exactly berth side. I have no idea about QLD's ports in this regard but Newcastle is actually the only port in NSW that has a rail line right besides the berth.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I should also have mentioned North Geelong area had or has berth side rail.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Carrington in Newcastle is ideal straight off the boat and onto rail in one lift. Hundreds of coal wagons and numerous passenger cars from China have been handled this way on a day to day basis. (I would post photos if RP allowed it but I cannot.)
Melbourne has nothing shipside (ships and rail in Victoria are anathema). Geelong has no rail alongside either AFAIK. Portland might be a chance?
Carrington is 'made to measure' so far as rail/ship/rail transfers are concerned.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Containers aren't loaded directly to or from trucks.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

looking at google earth it doesn't look like the POB has anything more then a line in and out with some sidings and a loop. No berth side facility and any port further north will be pointless even if it had berth side since it would be narrow gauge.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Townsville certainly has berth side rail connections, but direct ship to train loading hasn't happened for a few years.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Townsville certainly has berth side rail connections, but direct ship to train loading hasn't happened for a few years.
Sulla1

It looks like Townsvilles berthside line has been removed or covered on google earth.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Since moving to the Hunter, and often driving near a lot of the areas that had and have direct port access, around Carrington, also going over the Stockton Bridge on Kooragang, with particular notice of the amount of rail sidings on the Korragang strip and how they appear to be not used, also looking at Google Earth to see sidings covered over and not used, which is readily verified by a drive near the lines, its very clear that the Port has ample and more importantly not just current rail access points but also the potential for new areas to be made available if needed.

In some ways, Kooragang stifles any real prospects of being used for other than coal loading owing (IMHO) by the minimalist track access, that being only two lines, an up and down line into the port, coal being the primary product for the Island while the other line to sidings areas, is single track making it a bi di arrangement, but then there is the limited access once back to the coal roads for other trains.

Carrington and the old PTW area, along with what was BHP does not have quite the same problem with access tracks, with there being already 4 tracks between the Pacific Highway bridge and the separation for up and down trains to the North and also to the South. Between that bridge and Industrial drive, there are only 3 lines, but more than enough room to add tracks in that space should they be needed, especially if more traffic to/from oversees is available as there is also a type of branch still in use that curves back towards Mayfield North with a lot of options available for new berths there.

What I would see as the big limiting factor for much of what could be brought into the PON and go out by rail is the vital need for the proposed freight line from either the bottom of Hawk Mount or Fassifern to Hexham so as to get freight out of the sort of busy commuter area and many level crossings which are nightmares.

Depending on future growth and transport needs I am not sure if a lot of planning has taken place except perhaps for the advertising blurb as put out in the PON 5 points promotion.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Yes, Townsville certainly did have a portside rail which was closed in the 1990's along with Cairns, Gladstone, Mackay and Bowen portside rail lines! As for Brisbane's portside line it was closed to make way for development! It would have been removed possibly in the 1970's or 1980's, not exactly sure when it was removed!

I am guessing that maybe Melbourne and Adelaide also had portside rail lines! But I wouldn't have a clue! I know Sydney has had portside rail lines, as well as Port Kembla and obviously Port Waratah still does, including Newcastle's one time freight yards had portside rail lines!

I also believe Perth had portside rail lines! There's clear evidence of portside rail lines all over Perth! Shame what Metro Rail conversion does to our once good railways! Sydney will soon discover that!!!
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yes, Townsville certainly did have a portside rail which was closed in the 1990's along with Cairns, Gladstone, Mackay and Bowen portside rail lines! As for Brisbane's portside line it was closed to make way for development! It would have been removed possibly in the 1970's or 1980's, not exactly sure when it was removed!

I am guessing that maybe Melbourne and Adelaide also had portside rail lines! But I wouldn't have a clue! I know Sydney has had portside rail lines, as well as Port Kembla and obviously Port Waratah still does, including Newcastle's one time freight yards had portside rail lines!

I also believe Perth had portside rail lines! There's clear evidence of portside rail lines all over Perth! Shame what Metro Rail conversion does to our once good railways! Sydney will soon discover that!!!
cityrail-rulez
Not too sure as to PTK as to having portside rail lines anymore other than the coal loader, but it would depend on how one defines what's left down there now.

There is only one Jetty left in what was called outer harbour, and while the rail lines are still shown being in place on Google earth, the lines to the jetty are not shown to be still in place, although if the jetty was ok it would be possible to put track access back in place relatively easily.

The Inner Harbour area is used primarily for and by the steelworks and they do not have any real access for shipping other than for the works needs. Other than that you have the grain terminal and coal loader with rail access.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Yes, Townsville certainly did have a portside rail which was closed in the 1990's along with Cairns, Gladstone, Mackay and Bowen portside rail lines! As for Brisbane's portside line it was closed to make way for development! It would have been removed possibly in the 1970's or 1980's, not exactly sure when it was removed!

I am guessing that maybe Melbourne and Adelaide also had portside rail lines! But I wouldn't have a clue! I know Sydney has had portside rail lines, as well as Port Kembla and obviously Port Waratah still does, including Newcastle's one time freight yards had portside rail lines!

I also believe Perth had portside rail lines! There's clear evidence of portside rail lines all over Perth! Shame what Metro Rail conversion does to our once good railways! Sydney will soon discover that!!!
cityrail-rulez
The majority of freight is now shipped in containers which introduced whole new paradigm to shipping by rendering most portside lines redundant and a relic of manual handling days. Minerals etc were once handled in bags and bulk loaders and long freight trains have killed of that port activity. Remember the days in Newcastle (and to a certain extent Pt Kembla) coal was handled in dinky 4 wheel hoppers with the hopper itself being lifted by crane to load the coal into a ship. Just imagine trying to handle the amount of coal railed into Newcastle by that method.

I don't see what Sydney will discover as the line mentioned serviced Darling Harbor and now Sydney no longer hosts any cargo ships AFAIK.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yes, Townsville certainly did have a portside rail which was closed in the 1990's along with Cairns, Gladstone, Mackay and Bowen portside rail lines! As for Brisbane's portside line it was closed to make way for development! It would have been removed possibly in the 1970's or 1980's, not exactly sure when it was removed!

I am guessing that maybe Melbourne and Adelaide also had portside rail lines! But I wouldn't have a clue! I know Sydney has had portside rail lines, as well as Port Kembla and obviously Port Waratah still does, including Newcastle's one time freight yards had portside rail lines!

I also believe Perth had portside rail lines! There's clear evidence of portside rail lines all over Perth! Shame what Metro Rail conversion does to our once good railways! Sydney will soon discover that!!!
The majority of freight is now shipped in containers which introduced whole new paradigm to shipping by rendering most portside lines redundant and a relic of manual handling days. Minerals etc were once handled in bags and bulk loaders and long freight trains have killed of that port activity. Remember the days in Newcastle (and to a certain extent Pt Kembla) coal was handled in dinky 4 wheel hoppers with the hopper itself being lifted by crane to load the coal into a ship. Just imagine trying to handle the amount of coal railed into Newcastle by that method.

I don't see what Sydney will discover as the line mentioned serviced Darling Harbor and now Sydney no longer hosts any cargo ships AFAIK.
nswtrains
If that first part is correct when referring to loading by containers taking over, making the need for portside lines redundant, how do you explain that likes of rail facilities that exist at Port Botany, where the containers are loaded both onto road, also in storage sections but also onto rail to be taken away from the port itself?

Containers have certainly changed the handling area of both import and export boxes, but its also made a lot of other areas that over the years have made handling easier and change is ongoing, not just in the movement areas but in the distribution and mechanisation of many areas of the work compared to the past.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The trains at Port Botany are not berthside. The line goes to the dock but they don't go right along the ship any more. Berthside cranes do the job of taking containers off the ship and on to ground on the back of low haulers that take the container to a truck or train. There is no direct transfer to / from a ship by rail at port botany as there can be at Newcastle.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The trains at Port Botany are not berthside. The line goes to the dock but they don't go right along the ship any more. Berthside cranes do the job of taking containers off the ship and on to ground on the back of low haulers that take the container to a truck or train. There is no direct transfer to / from a ship by rail at port botany as there can be at Newcastle.
simstrain
I have not looked at Pt Botany for some time and thought there was a line in place for direct transfer.  Thanks for the info though.

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