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  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Lonsdale and Kudla are both places no one goes to by choice. As such they are the perfect places to ‘leave’ fare evaders, that and neither has any station infrastructure that can be reasonably damaged more than it already is.
Aaron
This then leaves the government liable if something was to happen to someone dump at a station like this.
I wonder what cost's more, fare evading or hiring staff to be on public transport to occasionally catch them?

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A couple of things of interest from the last few days in the Tonsley area:
1. As of Saturday night, northbound traffic is now using the full length of the North-South Motorway from the Southern Expressway right through to the bottleneck outside the pub at Tonsley, albeit on a temporary route in the trench which weaves about to avoid ongoing work sites rather than the final route.
2. There was no passenger service on the Tonsley rail line yesterday, due to a track maintenance vehicle breaking down early in the morning and being shoved out of the way onto the Tonsley line to clear the way for the day's Seaford services. The platform at Clovelly Park is only 112m long so there wasn't room to put the broken maintenance vehicle right to the end of the line and have the EMUs stop at the northern end of the platform.

Apparently the announcement regarding the alignment/construction method of the Darlington-Torrens section of South Road is immanent. I was arguing with a friend the other day about the various methods they could use, advantages/disadvantages.
  • Cut and cover, entirely possible and probably cheapest option but unlikely because they'll have to close sections of South Road at a time and that's political poisonous.
  • Bored tunnel; most expensive option by far and for some reason the most likely; also would take the longest at a projected finish date of 2026. I'm not sure if given the cost that they'll be able to resist the urge to toll?
  • Elevated motorway (like the South Road 'superway'), again a cheaper option than a bored tunnel and because much of the area from Cross Road to Darlington is already industrial/retail I'd imagine there may not be a lot of local objection to an overhead road.
  • Widening the road and trenching the motorway as was done with Torrens to Torrens. Not sure where this comes in ranking in terms of cost (perhaps one of our resident engineers might be able to comment?) but it would be a faster option than bored tunnel.
Presumably any of those options have lots of land acquisition involved by especially the trench option.
don_dunstan
I'm sure there will be an announcement of a preferred option before 2020 is done, but I'd be very surprised if anything is set in stone before we get a new Premier either at the 2022 election or sooner if the Libs get sick of putting Marshall's photo on milk cartons.

I would favour an elevated tollway (i.e. a repeat of the 'Superway') for the Tonsley-Anzac section. The properties on each side go back far enough that you could get more than enough width just by acquiring properties along one side of South Road.

I'd probably consider the best option as being to widen the western side from Tonsley to Daws Road, and then have a gentle right-left s-bend to switch over to the eastern side north of Daws Road. Put the railway underground at Cross Road (relocate Clarence Park station to the south-east as compensation for the closure of Emerson) then have the tollway come back to surface level at Glandore to pass under a rebuilt tram overpass (accomodating both the tollway and South Road) before the tollway would feed into the Gallipoli Underpass and Anzac Highway turn lanes.

The rebuilt surface road should have two lanes in each direction, a bike lane in each direction, and indented bays for bus stops and 1 hour parking. Right turns should be abolished other than at major intersections, with the alternative being u-turn lanes in the space under the elevated tollway.

I notice the car dealership just south of the Cross Road overpass is in the process of being demolished.    What will become of the site?

Left vacant until some decision is made on the road or rebuilt to be compusorily acquired in a couple of years time?
kipioneer
Obstructing the routine renewal of commercial properties without having an actual plan for what is going to happen is only a recipe for making the area look derelict, lowering the tone for the surviving businesses even before they get slammed with five years of road building.

It's not like the T2T project where there was an existing property acquisition mechanism for part of it.

The eastern side of the road would be the better side to acquire in the section through Edwardstown as there are fewer very large properties, so Australian Motors shouldn't need to be acquired.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
One squeeze point is the two pubs nearly opposite each other.
The Maid being more heritage worthy would be the more difficult to demolish, the Avoca less so but it has by far the larger land area.   Apparently its owners, the RSL, are willing  to sell at the right price.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm sure there will be an announcement of a preferred option before 2020 is done, but I'd be very surprised if anything is set in stone before we get a new Premier either at the 2022 election or sooner if the Libs get sick of putting Marshall's photo on milk cartons.
justapassenger
Do you really think Premier Marshall has a date with the Liberal leadership revolving door - ?
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
One squeeze point is the two pubs nearly opposite each other.
The Maid being more heritage worthy would be the more difficult to demolish, the Avoca less so but it has by far the larger land area.   Apparently its owners, the RSL, are willing  to sell at the right price.
kipioneer
We have enough run down heritage buildings and old pubs around. one won't be missed.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
One squeeze point is the two pubs nearly opposite each other.
The Maid being more heritage worthy would be the more difficult to demolish, the Avoca less so but it has by far the larger land area.   Apparently its owners, the RSL, are willing  to sell at the right price.
We have enough run down heritage buildings and old pubs around. one won't be missed.
mawsonboii

Neither hotel is run-down, both having make-overs in the past 10 years or so and being maintained to a high standard.

The Maid of Auckland has seen the Hurley Group spending a lot modernising the bars and dining rooms and bottle shop.

Neither is the Avoca run down having had a makeover and expansion.   It has an enormous drive-through bottle shop.  It is art deco style.

North of these 2 pubs and just south of the overpass are 2 churches, one either side of the road, Anglican on the east, Catholic on the west.   While the widened road at this point misses both churches who knows what the future may hold.    The catholic church has a school behind it.
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
One squeeze point is the two pubs nearly opposite each other.
The Maid being more heritage worthy would be the more difficult to demolish, the Avoca less so but it has by far the larger land area.   Apparently its owners, the RSL, are willing  to sell at the right price.
We have enough run down heritage buildings and old pubs around. one won't be missed.

Neither hotel is run-down, both having make-overs in the past 10 years or so and being maintained to a high standard.

The Maid of Auckland has seen the Hurley Group spending a lot modernising the bars and dining rooms and bottle shop.

Neither is the Avoca run down having had a makeover and expansion.   It has an enormous drive-through bottle shop.  It is art deco style.

North of these 2 pubs and just south of the overpass are 2 churches, one either side of the road, Anglican on the east, Catholic on the west.   While the widened road at this point misses both churches who knows what the future may hold.    The catholic church has a school behind it.
kipioneer
Again, we have plenty of pubs and as for churches. Who cares. we don't need them. I've never seen a church being used in my lifetime. Knock em all down.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

To be honest pubs or churches should really be treated as just another building that needs to go. If it is not really historic for what ever reason then it is just another building that needs to be bought and then demolished as some houses could be more historic than either pubs or churches.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Good news for locals in the west, there is finally some movement happening on getting the Coglin St and West St pedestrian level crossings commissioned.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
I believe both NYC and Chicago have free travel on subways which run 24/7 and become hotels to the homeless. Free travel just makes the situation worse. plus if it's free can you image how much poorer the services will be lol. I mean busses would never show up.
mawsonboii

Living in one of those cities and visiting the other once in a while, I am happy to reassure you that nothing in that first sentence is correct.  I cannot imagine where this would have been asserted outside of somewhere in the right wing echo chamber whose primary purpose is keep people who don't live in cities in a continuous state of fear feat of big city Democrats.

A little bit of skepticism is always healthy here; those are both major and wealthy metropolis', which do not tend to have free public transport in general and in which very wealthy and powerful people take the subway to get around because the traffic is terrible.  It's unlikely that those people, at the very least, would tolerate that situation for very long if somehow the majority of less connected people were suddenly doing so.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I believe both NYC and Chicago have free travel on subways which run 24/7 and become hotels to the homeless. Free travel just makes the situation worse. plus if it's free can you image how much poorer the services will be lol. I mean busses would never show up.

Living in one of those cities and visiting the other once in a while, I am happy to reassure you that nothing in that first sentence is correct.  I cannot imagine where this would have been asserted outside of somewhere in the right wing echo chamber whose primary purpose is keep people who don't live in cities in a continuous state of fear feat of big city Democrats.

A little bit of skepticism is always healthy here; those are both major and wealthy metropolis', which do not tend to have free public transport in general and in which very wealthy and powerful people take the subway to get around because the traffic is terrible.  It's unlikely that those people, at the very least, would tolerate that situation for very long if somehow the majority of less connected people were suddenly doing so.
SAR523
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If you are in New York city for a week that 7 day unlimited ride looks good.

It has been suggested that, if it costs a substantial proportion of the fare income to collect that income, or costs even more than the income, then what is the point of charging?    I would suggest that keeping count of customers is one sound reason to charge.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Good news for locals in the west, there is finally some movement happening on getting the Coglin St and West St pedestrian level crossings commissioned.
justapassenger
The weekend work on Friday and Saturday nights saw the Coglin St ped crossings in operation on Sunday.  However West St xing remains closed.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Neither hotel is run-down, both having make-overs in the past 10 years or so and being maintained to a high standard.

The Maid of Auckland has seen the Hurley Group spending a lot modernising the bars and dining rooms and bottle shop.

Neither is the Avoca run down having had a makeover and expansion.   It has an enormous drive-through bottle shop.  It is art deco style.

North of these 2 pubs and just south of the overpass are 2 churches, one either side of the road, Anglican on the east, Catholic on the west.   While the widened road at this point misses both churches who knows what the future may hold.    The catholic church has a school behind it.
kipioneer
My theory is that they'll go for a bored tunnel from Ashwin Parade West Thebarton all the way through to the Anzac Highway underpass, then cut and cover through to Cross Road overpass, then on pylons through to Darlington. The only problem with my plan is that there would be no entry/exit points from Thebarton to Anzac Highway but it would involve very minimal land acquisition and its a relatively short section of bored tunnel before returning to the surface. Pylons from Cross Road down to Darlington would be visually obtrusive that's true but it would also involve very minimal land acquisition below the motorway as the road below becomes a slip road.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
LMAO. Adelaide can't afford a boring machine, they aren't cheap and are normally a use once and bury type of thing because they are apparently impossible to pull apart inside a tunnel.

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mawsonboii
How would you know - what's your qualification in saying that? Are you an engineer working on the project?

The fact is bored tunnel is indeed being considered seriously by the state government.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Can’t afford a tunnel boring machine mawsonboii? Give us your best estimate of 4-6km of ‘prime’ realestate acquisition.

There are additional cost savings in planning road closures and traffic/construction access.

How did the Heysen Tunnels get there?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Work progressing quickly on the Pym-to-Regency section of the South Road project; pile-drivers and tonnes of scaffolding have been accumulating at the site in readiness for the overpass to start construction.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm sure there will be an announcement of a preferred option before 2020 is done, but I'd be very surprised if anything is set in stone before we get a new Premier either at the 2022 election or sooner if the Libs get sick of putting Marshall's photo on milk cartons.

I would favour an elevated tollway (i.e. a repeat of the 'Superway') for the Tonsley-Anzac section. The properties on each side go back far enough that you could get more than enough width just by acquiring properties along one side of South Road.

I'd probably consider the best option as being to widen the western side from Tonsley to Daws Road, and then have a gentle right-left s-bend to switch over to the eastern side north of Daws Road. Put the railway underground at Cross Road (relocate Clarence Park station to the south-east as compensation for the closure of Emerson) then have the tollway come back to surface level at Glandore to pass under a rebuilt tram overpass (accomodating both the tollway and South Road) before the tollway would feed into the Gallipoli Underpass and Anzac Highway turn lanes.

The rebuilt surface road should have two lanes in each direction, a bike lane in each direction, and indented bays for bus stops and 1 hour parking. Right turns should be abolished other than at major intersections, with the alternative being u-turn lanes in the space under the elevated tollway.
justapassenger

I like most of your ideas here, particularly the part about relocating the station to underneath Cross Road and South Road; it would make traffic flow much better through that area and you could probably even shut Edwardstown because the new station would have access from all directions.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Put the railway underground at Cross Road (relocate Clarence Park station to the south-east as compensation for the closure of Emerson) …

I like most of your ideas here, particularly the part about relocating the station to underneath Cross Road and South Road; it would make traffic flow much better through that area and you could probably even shut Edwardstown because the new station would have access from all directions.
don_dunstan
I think I should have been a bit clearer. My view is that the railway should pass underneath the surface roads and elevated motorway, but there shouldn't be a station there.

Close Emerson and (if there's a suitable location available) relocate Clarence Park to make it more of a merger of the two stations.

West of South Road, consideration should also be given to merging Woodlands Park and Edwardstown at a location near Ackland St. To cut-and-cover the railway at Cross Road will require a closure, which would also be the ideal time to simultaneously put the railway under Raglan Ave and build the new Edwardstown station in the trench.

Also in the area, at the same time Raglan Ave should be rerouted to meet South Road where Ackland St does currently (opposite Edward St) and the current T-junction abolished. Great spot for a medium/high density development there.

  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Also in the area, at the same time Raglan Ave should be rerouted to meet South Road where Ackland St does currently (opposite Edward St) and the current T-junction abolished. Great spot for a medium/high density development there.
Justapassenger

I wait with baited breath for the Castle Plaza expansion which will do just that.    A couple of years ago there was a plan on display there showing the proposed development, but that has failed so far to materialise.

The wait continues as has the wait for a shopping centre on Flagstaff Road near the Black Road roundabout.    A few months ago there was much activity there a few years after it was announced but this was, apparently, just an aberration.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

'' I'm sure there will be an announcement of a preferred option before 2020 is done, but I'd be very surprised if anything is set in stone before we get a new Premier either at the 2022 election or sooner if the Libs get sick of putting Marshall's photo on milk cartons.

I would favour an elevated tollway (i.e. a repeat of the 'Superway') for the Tonsley-Anzac section. The properties on each side go back far enough that you could get more than enough width just by acquiring properties along one side of South Road.

I'd probably consider the best option as being to widen the western side from Tonsley to Daws Road, and then have a gentle right-left s-bend to switch over to the eastern side north of Daws Road. Put the railway underground at Cross Road (relocate Clarence Park station to the south-east as compensation for the closure of Emerson) then have the tollway come back to surface level at Glandore to pass under a rebuilt tram overpass (accomodating both the tollway and South Road) before the tollway would feed into the Gallipoli Underpass and Anzac Highway turn lanes.

The rebuilt surface road should have two lanes in each direction, a bike lane in each direction, and indented bays for bus stops and 1 hour parking. Right turns should be abolished other than at major intersections, with the alternative being u-turn lanes in the space under the elevated tollway."

The people would love it Don, they just don't know it yet.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I think I should have been a bit clearer. My view is that the railway should pass underneath the surface roads and elevated motorway, but there shouldn't be a station there.

Close Emerson and (if there's a suitable location available) relocate Clarence Park to make it more of a merger of the two stations.

West of South Road, consideration should also be given to merging Woodlands Park and Edwardstown at a location near Ackland St. To cut-and-cover the railway at Cross Road will require a closure, which would also be the ideal time to simultaneously put the railway under Raglan Ave and build the new Edwardstown station in the trench.

Also in the area, at the same time Raglan Ave should be rerouted to meet South Road where Ackland St does currently (opposite Edward St) and the current T-junction abolished. Great spot for a medium/high density development there.
justapassenger
Okay - I understand where you are coming from. However as I said my idea was that Emerson should be directly under Cross Road with Edwardstown closed because it would (theoretically) service both sides of Cross Road. In all seriousness I don't think they'll bother though; their concern is more with the road and not the opportunity to revamp the railway line.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thread had a bit of a clean up after some unneeded comments made, and a few replies were lost as well - for you information.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
So how is the long awaited Flinder's link project coming along ?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A number of the piers for the bridge are nearing completion, and the station area is starting to take shape.

The aim is to get the heavy lifting done before the Darlington Upgrade is complete to minimise the amount of additional disruption being caused.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A number of the piers for the bridge are nearing completion, and the station area is starting to take shape.

The aim is to get the heavy lifting done before the Darlington Upgrade is complete to minimise the amount of additional disruption being caused.
justapassenger
And within a couple of hours of that post, it has now been confirmed that the southbound lanes of Main South Road will be closed next weekend for the installation of Span 10 (of 10) girders and bridge deck.

Span 9 (crossing the North-South Motorway) and Span 8 (crossing Main South Road northbound) will be done in January, so there won't be any difficulty in getting those done quite a few months before the Darlington Upgrade is complete.

https://dpti.sa.gov.au/news?a=607483

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