PTV Timetable Changes for November 2019

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Transport Minister Melissa Horne announcing some timetable tweaks from the start of December.

Some Pakenham/Cranbourne trains will be timetabled to run SLOWER.

PTV says it will make journey times more reliable
Andrew Lund


We now have some idea on the new timetable changes for 2019.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Transport Minister Melissa Horne announcing some timetable tweaks from the start of December.

Some Pakenham/Cranbourne trains will be timetabled to run SLOWER.

PTV says it will make journey times more reliable


We now have some idea on the new timetable changes for 2019.
bevans

Unfortunately by adding additional running time to a schedule translates to a longer journey... this is a matter of physics. It's also the tactic the incoming Baillieu government used to win the 2010 state election.

The trains are probably operating with so much additional time that they could possibly be compared to steam operation of 1918 Exclamation

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The response from the opposition spokesperson.

Opposition transport spokesman @DavidDavisMLC says that it is “quite extraordinary” that having spent $2 billion on Dandenong skyrail, the government is now extending journey times on the line
Andrew Lund

Why the need to slow trains down even with the removal of level crossings this really seems a backward step?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Transport Minister Melissa Horne announcing some timetable tweaks from the start of December.

Some Pakenham/Cranbourne trains will be timetabled to run SLOWER.

PTV says it will make journey times more reliable


We now have some idea on the new timetable changes for 2019.

Unfortunately by adding additional running time to a schedule translates to a longer journey... this is a matter of physics. It's also the tactic the incoming Baillieu government used to win the 2010 state election.

The trains are probably operating with so much additional time that they could possibly be compared to steam operation of 1918 Exclamation

Mike.
The Vinelander
Not quite!

http://victorianrailways.net/timetables/eastern_wtt_may1918.pdf

Looks like a stopping all stations train used to do Pakenham in about 100 minutes, compared to 70 today. And there are more stations these days too.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

And some big timetable changes coming for V/Line in January too from what I'm hearing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More info on the PTV changes

The Transport Department has confirmed 93 trains each day on the Cranbourne/Pakenham lines will be slowed down. Some by as much as five minutes. 16 trains a day will run faster
Andrew Lund

The plot thickens.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Are some of them being slowed down by 5 minutes to allow an overtaking move for v/line trains?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Possible reasons for longer journey times:
  • Higher numbers of passengers causing longer dwell times
  • Needing to run trains closer together to get the most out of the signalling requires all movements to be slower
  • Changes to Frankston trains coming in or out of the Loop means that Cranbourne/Pakenham trains have to be adjusted around them.
  • Temporary speed restrictions around Metro Tunnel works sites, e.g. South Yarra are going to be coming in and out of effect over the next 5 years, so might as well put it in the timetable now.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

December tt change for  VLP  so far revealed :

Cobblebank opens and Melton duplication, minor changes to Ballarat line tt PLUS an extar am Peak Up Melton and an extra PM Down Peak melton .

Warrnmabool / Geelong line Saturdays  am Up Warrnmabool to run express Geelong to Footscray deleting 6 stops and accelerated by around 15 minutes.  Separate additional  VL service ex Geelong to serve the roadside staions, presumably fill follow hard on the heels of the Up  Bubble  (Warrnabubble  !!!)

Time fiddles on Gippsland (take it as more FAT in the schedules) to protect VLP timekeeping stats .

Ballarat 40 minute Off Peak Weekdays and  5 th Down train to Ararat  (as extension of Ballarat service)  wont happen till later in  2020 .  (Second bg siding going in at Ararat now so two sets can be stabled overnight at Ararat, and eliminate 0510  Ety Cars  Ballarat - Ararat Weekdays forming the first Up Ararat on Weekdays.)

Vibe around the traps is major VLP and Metro  timetable revamp mid 2020.)  Was budgetted in 2019/20 State Budget but implementation deferred .
  True Believers Chief Commissioner
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
The proposed V/Line padding out of the Bairinsdale Timetable in line with the Metro Timetable padding out recently discussed?

Ararat additional service would be welcomed i am sure.  Any ideas about services from Ballarat to Geelong mid 2020 timetable changes?

The mid 2020 services would think aligning for the next election.  Why were they held back?

Are you stating the additional warrnambool service is a Velocity not loco hauled?
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

The proposed V/Line padding out of the Bairinsdale Timetable in line with the Metro Timetable padding out recently discussed?

Ararat additional service would be welcomed i am sure.  Any ideas about services from Ballarat to Geelong mid 2020 timetable changes?

The mid 2020 services would think aligning for the next election.  Why were they held back?

Are you stating the additional warrnambool service is a Velocity not loco hauled?
8077
Is there actually a serious consideration for Geelong-Ballarat services?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
No.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Is there actually a serious consideration for Geelong-Ballarat services?
John.Z
Yes, but its in the form of a bus
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The proposed V/Line padding out of the Bairinsdale Timetable in line with the Metro Timetable padding out recently discussed?

Ararat additional service would be welcomed i am sure.  Any ideas about services from Ballarat to Geelong mid 2020 timetable changes?

The mid 2020 services would think aligning for the next election.  Why were they held back?

Are you stating the additional warrnambool service is a Velocity not loco hauled?
8077
PDF versions new VLP tt now on PTV website  scroll down on home page .

Ballarat  line  -  Extra  Weekday Melton  Peak  PM  Down is at  1723  SAS to Melton and existing 1719  Dn Marsh is altered to run EXPRESS Sunshine to  Melton .


am Up  Extra Up Melton is at  0704  SAS



This gives  Weekday Dn Meltons at  1536  1609  1634  1700  1719  1723  1735  1759  1823

and Up Meltons at  0505  0603  0613  0629  0641  0704  0717  0731  0747  0812  (big gap)  0901



Geelong Saturdays  (but NOT  Sundays !!!)  am up Warrnambool deletes  6 stops which should save like 15 mins , and runs express Gex to Fts but only gets in 8 earlier, talk about excess FAT in the schedule and protecting the timekeeping !!!  Additional short  VL  x 6 cars originate Geelong  1016  SAS gets into Sxs  1120
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
It's become a pretty frequent occurrence on Pakenham/Cranbourne for an overloaded Comeng to start on time, begin to run late as it gets heavier and slower to load, which leads to a self-reinforcing cycle of picking up more people at the next station as the gap since the last train gets longer. Inevitably said train hits Richmond 10 minutes late, and then gets pulled from the loop.

Why are Metro even running the slowest, underpowered, least reliable, poorly air-conditioned, worst performing trains on the busiest line? It should be run with 100% Siemens trains until the HCMTs are ready. Flood Frankston with X'Traps!

Assuming they are going to continue running Comengs on the line for the next year or so, adding 5 minutes makes sense Sad

Any chance they will attempt to smooth the gaps between trains as part of this? The capacity whiplash from having trains 3 minutes apart then 7-8 minute gaps for V/Line isn't helping. Not sure why the V/Line train doesn't always have a (fast accelerating) Metro 2 minutes behind it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It's arrived

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/New-V-Line-timetable-from-December-2019

Summary:

Ballarat, Ararat and Maryborough lines
Changes include:
  • A new station at Cobblebank serviced by 285 trains each week
  • Two new weekday peak services for Melton, Rockbank, Caroline Springs and Deer Park
  • A permanent platform change at Melton and Rockbank stations
  • Some services will have altered departure and journey times along the line
  • Some coach times will also be adjusted to keep connections with the new train times
Click here to find out more

Geelong and Warrnambool lines
Changes include:
  • The Saturday 7.13am Warrnambool to Melbourne train will run express from Geelong
  • The extra 10.16am Saturday service from Geelong to Melbourne will become a permanent part of the timetable
  • The 6.05pm weekday service from Melbourne to Geelong will stop at Deer Park
Click here to find out more.

Seymour and Shepparton lines
Changes include:
  • The 12.46pm train from Shepparton to Southern Cross Station will depart 20 minutes later
  • There will be a change to the coach service on the Barmah-Shepparton route
Click here to find out more.

Bendigo, Echuca and Swan Hill lines
Changes include:
  • Some train from Echuca to Melbourne will depart 5 minutes earlier
  • Some trains travelling between Bendigo and Melbourne will have minor changes t arrival, departure and journey times
Click here to find out more.

Gippsland line
Changes include:
  • Some trains from Traralgon to Melbourne will depart 4 minutes earlier
  • The 8.13am weekday train from Melbourne to Traralgon will depart 10 minutes later
  • There will be changes to improve connections between trains and coaches
  • Some trains from Bairnsdale to Melbourne will depart up to 3 minutes earlier
Click here for more information.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
It's become a pretty frequent occurrence on Pakenham/Cranbourne for an overloaded Comeng to start on time, begin to run late as it gets heavier and slower to load, which leads to a self-reinforcing cycle of picking up more people at the next station as the gap since the last train gets longer. Inevitably said train hits Richmond 10 minutes late, and then gets pulled from the loop.

Why are Metro even running the slowest, underpowered, least reliable, poorly air-conditioned, worst performing trains on the busiest line? It should be run with 100% Siemens trains until the HCMTs are ready. Flood Frankston with X'Traps!

Assuming they are going to continue running Comengs on the line for the next year or so, adding 5 minutes makes sense Sad

Any chance they will attempt to smooth the gaps between trains as part of this? The capacity whiplash from having trains 3 minutes apart then 7-8 minute gaps for V/Line isn't helping. Not sure why the V/Line train doesn't always have a (fast accelerating) Metro 2 minutes behind it.
electric
With the trains pushing 40 years they don't sound "least reliable" to me - maybe only when compared the other trains which are 20 years newer. It beats all the rebuilt Harrises that we were going to cop instead. All of those disc brake Comeng sets only exist because the Harris refurbishment program was a complete flop, and the Harrises would have failed the move to SPOT anyway thus forcing us to buy even more trains in the 90s, and after the joke that was the 4D who knows what might have happened. Aside from aircon faults (not the train's fault), door faults (again, not usually the train's fault) and the eight chopper control motors (same tech as the equally-useless 4D) the Comengs have done pretty well.

I'd gladly trade half of the Burnley group's X'Trapolis fleet for them, at least passengers won't be thrown around the place every time we pass through Camberwell's decrepit rail infrastructure (any of the three tracks in both directions) or between literally every single level crossing job where all of the 60-year-old flat-topped rails on wooden sleepers were left untouched, even if the length of track to replace was only 50 or 100 metres.

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