Adani changes to narrow gauge

 
  Sunbird Station Master

The latest ABC article on the Adani rail line seems like just another non story to me.
Realistically there are only three possibilities for moving the Carmicheal mines coal to Abbot Point. That's PN, Aurizon or Adani setting up their own in house operation.
The article says PN is happy to haul the coal if Adani pays them enough money. Aurizon told the ABC that any questions about the Adani coal haul were irrelevant as they had not issued any tender as yet and the article reported that Adani had begun the process of accreditation as a rolling stock operator.
So basically all three possibilities are still on the table.
The rest of the article was just a rehash of the previous story about some of Aurizon's shareholders not wanting the company to be involved despite there being no evidence they've had any influence on Aurizon's management.

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
PN might get the gig:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-17/inside-adanis-plans-to-haul-coal-from-carmichael-to-the-coast/11608930
Carnot
Good god, they'd be willing to sell their mother for a few cents.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
They are pitching i am certain but new developments

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/adani-awards-100m-rail-contract-after-malaysians-buy-into-local-firm
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Martinus Rail has announced it will be establishing its headquarters in Rockhampton to manage the construction of the 200km rail link to the Carmichael Mine.

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/canavan/media-releases/new-adani-business-centre-and-rail-contract-boon-central-queensland
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Townsville was jilted?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Townsville was jilted?
james.au

Not really, Townsville has the Adani Headquarters with around 150 staff, so it's done okay. Rockhampton had to get a little bit of the sugar as part of sharing jobs around the regions negotiated several years ago by the State Government. Bowen was promised to be the base of rail operations and rail staff (it is for Aurizon and PN), so it'll be interesting to see if that happens at all.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Siemens has stepped up and will take up the signalling works.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/siemens-approves-rail-signal-system-for-adani
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It's causing a big backlash against Siemens back in the Fatherland.

They've said they'll tear up the contract if Adani fail to meet "environmental obligations".
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How much signalling will be required since they are using the QR network from the area?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The QR Network is not involved - the 189km long Adani branch will connect with Aurizon's Newlands system. Siemens is undertaking signalling works on the Adani branch.

Aurizon is yet to announce what it will do with the southern section of the Newlands line, which remains DTC south of Collinsville - this section is already capacity constrained by the network controller's ability to verbally advance and clear blocks for each train. UTC (a version of CTC) is used north of Collinsville, and includes two sections of bi-directional double track. The existing Newlands line is already seeing around 26 trains per day.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks @Sulla1 but where on the Newlands system will the branch connect?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

It will join the Newlands System just south of the Newlands Mine near the Leichhardt Range crossing loop on the Goonyella-Abbot Point Line (the GAP). The $1.1-billion GAP line was opened by Aurizon in December 2011 and generates around half of the 30-million tonnes currently on the Newlands System. In its current form, the Adani line will add another 10-million tonnes.


https://www.adaniaustralia.com/projects-businesses/rail
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

This is the latest look at what the Newlands Line is doing in the pre-Adani environment, including at Leichardt Range (at 26.35). Aurizon and PN operations yesterday between 6.30am and 4.00pm, and still missed some of the trains that were running...



https://youtu.be/dvd4O2SeOe0
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It will join the Newlands System just south of the Newlands Mine near the Leichhardt Range crossing loop on the Goonyella-Abbot Point Line (the GAP). The $1.1-billion GAP line was opened by Aurizon in December 2011 and generates around half of the 30-million tonnes currently on the Newlands System. In its current form, the Adani line will add another 10-million tonnes.


https://www.adaniaustralia.com/projects-businesses/rail
Sulla1

Thanks.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Additional volumes highlighted here from adani will contend with available capacity on the exiting route how will this be addressed by Aurizon ?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It's causing a big backlash against Siemens back in the Fatherland.

They've said they'll tear up the contract if Adani fail to meet "environmental obligations".
Carnot
They won't, the signally system is chicken feed but how much are those Siemen's electric locos worth?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It begs the question though, why would would they fulfil a small signalling contract that has the very real risk of jeopardizing other bigger contracts world-wide due to boycotts etc?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It begs the question though, why would would they fulfil a small signalling contract that has the very real risk of jeopardizing other bigger contracts world-wide due to boycotts etc?
Carnot
They have signed a contract, to not abide by that  for ideological reasons is putting Siemen's name and brand at greater risk. If Siemen's dropped this $30m contract on signally then next time QR/PN need one their Billion dollar EL fleet overhauled or similar OS, Siemen's might see the back of a middle finger or face costly punative clauses in their contracts due to increased contractual risk.  

Also note Siemen's may also be involved with the power stations in India that are going to burn this coal and pi$$ing off Adandi may not work well for them there.

Fortunately for Siemen's, most of their business are not shop front consumer items, rather big scale industrial stuff where decisions are made with more common sense and on commercial grounds than emotional.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

"Additional volumes highlighted here from adani will contend with available capacity on the exiting route how will this be addressed by Aurizon ?"------------------------

Aurizon has not yet made any commitment to capacity upgrades - at this stage I'm not aware of Aurizon and Adani having negotiated or finalized access agreements.

The 10-miilion tonnes Adani is expecting to rail represents roughly eight additional daily trains on the Newlands Line between Leichhardt Range and Abbot Point. This will mean around 34 trains per day north of Collinsville on the section of the Newlands system using UTC (CTC/RCS) signalling. My best guess is that existing infrastructure may cope at a pinch, although an additional one or two crossing loops and additional staging roads at Pring will probably be needed at some point in the future.

South of Collinsville the verbal DTC authorities in use at the moment may become difficult or Impossible for Aurizon Network Controllers to speak fast enough to issue. Radio chatter is already continuous, with controllers seemingly rarely given a moment to breathe. Extending UTC signaling south to Leichhardt Range would probably be necessary, plus one or two additional crossing loops.

But to date there's no commitment, let alone work underway.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is the new lands system controlled from Townsville or Gladstone ?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Newlands is controlled from Aurizon's operational headquarters in Rockhampton, in the former Central Division office tower beside the Rockhampton station.

Adani has previously announced its train operations will be based in Bowen, so unless it works out an alternative with Aurizon, Adani will most likely control its branch from a location in or near Bowen.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Reports coming out of New Zealand that Martinus Rail has purchased two DCPs to haul construction trains on Adani's 189km long branch. Martinus Rail has a $100-million contract to lay the track for the Adani project, and is headquartering its operations for the contract out of Rockhampton. It is likely the DCs will be trucked directly to the Adani railhead, and may not (at least at this stage) need to access either the Aurizon or QR networks.

Details of specifications and DC class variants here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_DC_class_locomotive

https://www.adaniaustralia.com/-/media/191018%20-%20Adani%20partners%20with%20Martinus%20Rail
  Sunbird Station Master

Sulla do you know where construction of the railway is at present?
Is it still a paper railway at present or have they pegged it out and started clearing the vegetation?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Newlands is controlled from Aurizon's operational headquarters in Rockhampton, in the former Central Division office tower beside the Rockhampton station.

Adani has previously announced its train operations will be based in Bowen, so unless it works out an alternative with Aurizon, Adani will most likely control its branch from a location in or near Bowen.
Sulla1

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