Australia Day Honours

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Today's release of the Honours List disgusts me.

Awards of the Companion of the Order of Australia (AC), have gone to Ted Bailleu, Barry O'Farrell and Campbell Newman for "services to the people of (State) particularly as Premier."

All three did the job for which they were well paid; no more and no less.

Honours are deserved by people who go out of their way to serve the community, not by pollies.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Today's release of the Honours List disgusts me.

Awards of the Companion of the Order of Australia (AC), have gone to Ted Bailleu, Barry O'Farrell and Campbell Newman for "services to the people of (State) particularly as Premier."

All three did the job for which they were well paid; no more and no less.

Honours are deserved by people who go out of their way to serve the community, not by pollies.
Valvegear
Absolutely.

There are some very notable exceptions, of course, but so many are simply politicians, sporting 'stars', media people, legal eagles, judiciary, service personnel and public servants who do no more, or no less than the jobs they are paid to do.
What did Ted Ballieu do for Victoria - he would be more worthy of an award for doing nothing!

Nick Kyrgios will get one next year for sure.  

Who and when were the last Australian Railway employees to receive an award?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I look forward to seeing a lot of volunteer fire fighters, first aiders, and ordinary people who put themselves out to help in our disastrous bush fires.
I'm not hanging by my thumbs while I wait.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Today's release of the Honours List disgusts me.

Awards of the Companion of the Order of Australia (AC), have gone to Ted Bailleu, Barry O'Farrell and Campbell Newman for "services to the people of (State) particularly as Premier."

All three did the job for which they were well paid; no more and no less.

Honours are deserved by people who go out of their way to serve the community, not by pollies.
Valvegear
Although in saying that, I have to give a big clap to the Australian of the year for 2020, a doctor from South Australia by the name of D.R James Muckebe, he has apparently done so much for Eye Research over the years, he has also helped with type 2 diabetes as well, this award has come a long way from when footballers used to get it, and Politicians , the worst example I can think of is Adam Goodes- 2014 Australian of the Year, great AFL player maybe, but not Aussie of the year!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I take lsrailfan's point about the Doctor. He is somebody who has put in hours of research over the years for the good of humanity. I have not yet seen any politician with a claim that's even close.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Maybe these pollies getting awards were a another example of a coalition captain's pick and in the end,

... not as bad as  Prince Philip's knighthood.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don’t agree with politicians necessarily getting Australia Day awards, but to suggest that they don’t work hard is a misunderstanding.

I worked for both a junior Federal Minister, and then a very senior Federal Minister - leader of the government in the Senate actually.

They worked crazy hours, I remember when working for the senate leader that the office manager would take calls from his wife wondering if she could make an appointment to get a call from him.

I detest politics these days, I don’t find the energy to bother voting for anyone at any level, but I would never suggest they didn’t work hard (well aside from Bernard Finnigan) or were overpaid. All of them would get way more money in private practice.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Today's release of the Honours List disgusts me.

Awards of the Companion of the Order of Australia (AC), have gone to Ted Bailleu, Barry O'Farrell and Campbell Newman for "services to the people of (State) particularly as Premier."

All three did the job for which they were well paid; no more and no less.

Honours are deserved by people who go out of their way to serve the community, not by pollies.
Although in saying that, I have to give a big clap to the Australian of the year for 2020, a doctor from South Australia by the name of D.R James Muckebe, he has apparently done so much for Eye Research over the years, he has also helped with type 2 diabetes as well, this award has come a long way from when footballers used to get it, and Politicians , the worst example I can think of is Adam Goodes- 2014 Australian of the Year, great AFL player maybe, but not Aussie of the year!
lsrailfan
It annoys me that the good doctor has used his Australia Day honour to try and grand-stand his own political agenda though - Sydney Morning Herald:

South Australian eye surgeon Dr James Muecke has vowed to use his platform as Australian of the Year to advocate for measures to tackle preventable blindness caused by diabetes - including a tax on sugary drinks.

"Diabetes is now the leading cause of blindness among working-age adults in Australia," Dr Muecke told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

"The concerning thing is that blindness due to diabetes is virtually all preventable or treatable."

Dr Muecke said a tax on sugary drinks must be on the table as part of efforts to prevent and manage type 2 diabetes - which afflicts at least 1.2 million Australians and costs the economy an estimated $15 billion a year, including lost productivity.

"Sugar is cheap and ubiquitous, so it's readily accessible to everyone. You walk into a service station and there's a counter of lollies as you walk in," he said.

Dr Muecke said sugar was "as addictive as nicotine" and that consumers were "constantly bombarded by advertising" that, along with the high level of added sugar in processed foods, made it "very difficult" to maintain a healthy diet.

"I think we need to take sweet products away from checkout counters, particularly when they're discounted," he said.

"We've got to make them less accessible to the public."

So a minority of people eat themselves into wheelchairs and into blindness and for that reason the rest of us have to suffer with more taxation and restrictions? There's sugar in nearly everything we eat now-days but most of us manage to eat responsibly and watch our weight - now all the sudden those morbidly obese people eating themselves into an early grave are everyone's problem and we have to remove lollies and sugar from service stations and supermarkets in a vain effort to try and stop them shoving those tasty treats into their collective gobs.

More nanny-state solutions - let 'em eat themselves to death I say, at least they'll die happy doing what they love.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
There's sugar in nearly everything we eat now-days but most of us manage to eat responsibly and watch our weight.
don_dunstan
Have you actually looked at people walking, well, rolling down the street these days? I'd say that being overweight is an epidemic in this and many other countries. I've been struggling with my weight since I was in my 30s (now 67) and I do try hard to eat healthily, but not hard enough. Most of us can do better, many need to do a lot better.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Maybe instead they should at least remove the GST component of gym, sporting club memberships, and similar - kind of like fresh foods.

That’s not going to happen, but it does beg the question, will sweet fruits and vegetables that contain sugar now be taxed?

Fortunately I drink all of my wines and ciders with as close to zero residual sugar as possible, but will ‘sweeter’ wines and ciders be taxed? This has not been thought through very well.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It annoys me that the good doctor has used his Australia Day honour to try and grand-stand his own political agenda though -
don_dunstan
What narrow-minded nonsense you speak. Now, a highly qualified medical professional has been rewarded for what should be life-saving research. But, it seems he's not allowed to talk about it and advise the public.
Our Don says it's a political agenda.
Don, you frequently amuse me with your lack of human understanding, but this time? No; it's not amusing.  It's a complete lack of knowledge that some people speak and act  for altruistic motives. Your post shows quite clearly that you don't care if people suffer preventable deaths. His remarks show that he does.
This is a classic case of going out looking for trouble where there isn't any.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
There's sugar in nearly everything we eat now-days but most of us manage to eat responsibly and watch our weight.
Have you actually looked at people walking, well, rolling down the street these days? I'd say that being overweight is an epidemic in this and many other countries. I've been struggling with my weight since I was in my 30s (now 67) and I do try hard to eat healthily, but not hard enough. Most of us can do better, many need to do a lot better.
Graham4405
We are removing the padded armrests in our N cars because people are too big to slide over them and under the attached table without breaking stuff nowadays. Our forebears were a lot slimmer.

If you want to see a lot of slim, incredibly good looking people, go to eastern Europe. The only fatties you see there are tourists! Marvellous what 40 years of communism can produce.
  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.

... I detest politics these days, I don’t find the energy to bother voting for anyone at any level, but I would never suggest they didn’t work hard (well aside from Bernard Finnigan) or were overpaid. All of them would get way more money in private practice.
Aaron
G'day all,

This is why I support maximum of 2 terms in the House of Representatives and 1 term in the Senate.

They can serve the citizens of Australia for a short time AND then go and make a lot more on money in private practice as is claimed.

Regards,
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It annoys me that the good doctor has used his Australia Day honour to try and grand-stand his own political agenda though -
What narrow-minded nonsense you speak. Now, a highly qualified medical professional has been rewarded for what should be life-saving research. But, it seems he's not allowed to talk about it and advise the public.
Our Don says it's a political agenda.
Don, you frequently amuse me with your lack of human understanding, but this time? No; it's not amusing.  It's a complete lack of knowledge that some people speak and act  for altruistic motives. Your post shows quite clearly that you don't care if people suffer preventable deaths. His remarks show that he does.
This is a classic case of going out looking for trouble where there isn't any.
Valvegear
Exactly the kind of response I'd expect from you: The government has to do something to save people from themselves. The government MUST regulate, the government MUST tax, the government MUST restrict access.

And I said nothing - NOTHING - about his "not being allowed to talk about it and advise the public", the good doctor can say whatever he likes, it's just his opinion isn't it. You let your hysteria run right off the leash right there. But like any good socialist you look to the government to nanny-state us and pass laws because you want to inflict your own do-good agenda on others without choice.

How about (hmmm... I don't know) EDUCATING people about their choices for a start instead of going straight away for restriction and taxation? No, you want to go for the big stick right away and force everyone to do what you want. Thank God we don't have people like you in charge is all I can say.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's sugar in nearly everything we eat now-days but most of us manage to eat responsibly and watch our weight.
Have you actually looked at people walking, well, rolling down the street these days? I'd say that being overweight is an epidemic in this and many other countries. I've been struggling with my weight since I was in my 30s (now 67) and I do try hard to eat healthily, but not hard enough. Most of us can do better, many need to do a lot better.
Graham4405
Yeah for sure, Graham, there's a lot of obese people out there but the problem isn't as simple as restricting sugar like the good doctor says.

150 years ago overweight people were incredibly rare because people got incidental exercise all the time - most journeys (if not taken by horse or tram) were by foot or bicycle - the majority of people walked almost everywhere. Now-days people look at you like you're crazy if you suggest walking somewhere even if its just a few blocks. There's a lot to be said for the advent of the automobile and the fact that everyone's first response is to drive no matter how close-by their destination is. Lots of labour-saving devices in your life but not many opportunities to raise your heart rate and get your circulation going - a big problem especially if you already have bad eating habits.

Which brings me to the next point which is that your weight and your health is entirely your own responsibility and nobody else's. We do have a lot more availability of food now-days and a lot of it is designed to get us to buy because its tasty and cheap - but as an adult I have options and need to make the decision about what I eat by myself. I love the smell of KFC as much as anyone else but I know that it's not good for me so I don't eat it. Instead of stuffing lollies into my gob I'd rather eat yogurt, fruit or something else not as sugary/processed. And you've got to get into the habit of always reading the sugar content on the nutrition panel of anything and everything that you put in your trolley - I agree with the doctor's advice in as much as excessive sugar is probably worse for you than fats but you need to watch both.

Individual responsibility - diet and exercise. And education about both - that's my two cents.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Exactly the kind of response I'd expect from you:
don_dunstan
Good; you're learning.

The government has to do something to save people from themselves. The government MUST regulate, the government MUST tax, the government MUST restrict access.
don_dunstan
Oops; no you're not learning at all.
As usual, you instantly depart from the point and go blathering off on a tangent.
My criticism was directly solely at you for your attitude to the doctor. No more, and no less. I did not make any support of suggested government action. . . I supported the doctor's right to say what he did without being accused of a political agenda. Perfectly simple to anyone who can read. Got it?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There's sugar in nearly everything we eat now-days but most of us manage to eat responsibly and watch our weight.
Have you actually looked at people walking, well, rolling down the street these days? I'd say that being overweight is an epidemic in this and many other countries. I've been struggling with my weight since I was in my 30s (now 67) and I do try hard to eat healthily, but not hard enough. Most of us can do better, many need to do a lot better.
Yeah for sure, Graham, there's a lot of obese people out there but the problem isn't as simple as restricting sugar like the good doctor says.

150 years ago overweight people were incredibly rare because people got incidental exercise all the time - most journeys (if not taken by horse or tram) were by foot or bicycle - the majority of people walked almost everywhere. Now-days people look at you like you're crazy if you suggest walking somewhere even if its just a few blocks. There's a lot to be said for the advent of the automobile and the fact that everyone's first response is to drive no matter how close-by their destination is. Lots of labour-saving devices in your life but not many opportunities to raise your heart rate and get your circulation going - a big problem especially if you already have bad eating habits.

Which brings me to the next point which is that your weight and your health is entirely your own responsibility and nobody else's. We do have a lot more availability of food now-days and a lot of it is designed to get us to buy because its tasty and cheap - but as an adult I have options and need to make the decision about what I eat by myself. I love the smell of KFC as much as anyone else but I know that it's not good for me so I don't eat it. Instead of stuffing lollies into my gob I'd rather eat yogurt, fruit or something else not as sugary/processed. And you've got to get into the habit of always reading the sugar content on the nutrition panel of anything and everything that you put in your trolley - I agree with the doctor's advice in as much as excessive sugar is probably worse for you than fats but you need to watch both.

Individual responsibility - diet and exercise. And education about both - that's my two cents.
don_dunstan
I live (for now) in a country that introduced the "sugar tax" I didn't agree with it at first, but its growing on me despite that fact that Bundy Ginger Beer is now ridiculously priced and the boys and I used to enjoy it once a week. Has increasing the cost of a can of soft-drink from A$2 to $3 ot $4 made a difference to our consumption? Yes. I can afford it, but I just don't see paying this much for a fizzy soft drink as value for money. The kids also know and accept and don't see to have too much of an issue with it or if we get a drink we get one and share. My kids would be defined as "skinny", although I myself would like and working towards to drop 5-10kg to get back to my target weight for a male over 6'4".

The UAE citizens in particular have a weight issue, mostly younger males. Likely part of the reason they introduced military conscription a few years back as they all come back skinny. I've also never met so many males who have had a tummy stable operation. The first year we were here we were testing out all the water parks and one up north I remember saying to my wife did she feel jealous of all the "moobs" on show. Yes, she had a good come back, but seriously the women shouldn't be the only ones forced to wear a bikini top. It was very obvious and very bad, right down to young kids.

Every time we travel back to Oz since we first left in 2010, the obesity just seems to be getting worse. Drive past a school at start / finish time its disgusting. Its not just their health and body shaming, its their future careers that will suffer as the data shows larger people do get discriminated against, especially women by female recruiters. We have this public farce where we say everyone is beautiful underneath, but then state quite loudly how good someone looks after they loose some weight. Some of the female celebrities that were larger and proud and then later go and lose weight are now almost publicly shammed for desertion.

We tax alcohol and tobacco to discourage people from using and cover the cost of the medical treatment and other these substances incur to our medical system, sugar has the new tobacco. Therefore I'm now supporting the "sugar tax"
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Oops; no you're not learning at all.
As usual, you instantly depart from the point and go blathering off on a tangent.
My criticism was directly solely at you for your attitude to the doctor. No more, and no less. I did not make any support of suggested government action. . . I supported the doctor's right to say what he did without being accused of a political agenda. Perfectly simple to anyone who can read. Got it?
Valvegear
He DOES have a political agenda - the fact that he's telling the government what they ought to do instantly makes it a political statement. Do you seriously not understand the difference?

And nowhere did I say that he didn't have a right to say that - as usual you let your blind hatred of me run away until you've put words into my mouth and made me goose-step up and down the street.
But, it seems he's not allowed to talk about it and advise the public.
Valvegear
Again - I never said that. All that I said was that I didn't agree with what he was saying.

Get a grip.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Maybe instead they should at least remove the GST component of gym, sporting club memberships, and similar - kind of like fresh foods.

That’s not going to happen, but it does beg the question, will sweet fruits and vegetables that contain sugar now be taxed?

Fortunately I drink all of my wines and ciders with as close to zero residual sugar as possible, but will ‘sweeter’ wines and ciders be taxed? This has not been thought through very well.
Aaron

Your either having laugh or not as well educated as I once thought you were?

The sugar in fruits and vegetables in very general terms does not contribute to diabetes (there are exceptions)

Processed sugar, subtly added in ever increasing quantities to processed food and drinks does.

Dropping your level of debate to don_dunstan's Bolte view of the world maybe hazardous to your health, but will certainly help fill the pockets of the sugar industry lobbyists Razz
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
He DOES have a political agenda - the fact that he's telling the government what they ought to do instantly makes it a political statement.
don_dunstan
It's a public health statement, num-num.

And nowhere did I say that he didn't have a right to say that.
don_dunstan
As usual, paranoia rules - nobody said you did. I said that he had the right to say it without being falsely accused of playing politics.

s usual you let your blind hatred of me run away
don_dunstan
Step right up ladeez an gennelmen - starring today we have the one; the only,  DON THE MIND READER (boom-tish). He sees non-existent feelings from across two States.

you've put words into my mouth and made me goose-step up and down the street.
don_dunstan
Coming from you that is priceless; absolutely priceless. Go and read your first reply and have a look at the words you attributed to me without any foundation whatsoever.  ( . . . the government MUST. . . remember?)

Again - I never said that.
don_dunstan
No; I did. You attributed a political agenda, and said you didn't like it. From what you wrote, I presume you preferred that he didn't speak.

All that I said was that I didn't agree with what he was saying.
don-dunstan
That is definitely not all that you said.

Keep coming Don; we need some ridiculous humour in our lives.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Maybe instead they should at least remove the GST component of gym, sporting club memberships, and similar - kind of like fresh foods.

That’s not going to happen, but it does beg the question, will sweet fruits and vegetables that contain sugar now be taxed?

Fortunately I drink all of my wines and ciders with as close to zero residual sugar as possible, but will ‘sweeter’ wines and ciders be taxed? This has not been thought through very well.
Aaron,
You need to take a chill pill on this. Smile Sugar tax is no longer a new concept and yet another thing Australia can follow others including developing nations.

Typically the tax applies to well known food and beverage products that have added refined sugar and consumed in large quantities by young people and adults in high quantities such as soft drink, cordial, lollies, sweetened fruit juice, fast food etc that has been a significant contributor to the rise in obesity.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Keep coming Don; we need some ridiculous humour in our lives.
Valvegear
You have a brain like a sieve:
  • There wasn't anything wrong with the good doctor advocating a sugar tax but to say that the government should do it is clearly POLITICAL because its advocating a policy position. I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you - like stopping in a carriageway is always wrong. You just don't seem to understand it.
  • You were agreeing with him that the government has to carry the can and make people change their behaviour by LEGISLATION. Compulsion. End-of-story.
  • You wrote "From what you wrote, I presume you preferred that he didn't speak". Again, putting words in my mouth, all I said was that legislation wouldn't be my preferred option.
You can't construct an argument against me to save yourself; I'm simply pointing out that legislation and compulsion would not be my first option to tackle this problem whereas the good doctor said (quite clearly) that it's time for the government to step in.

I'm allowed to have a different opinion from the consensus you know. Although if you were in charge I'd probably be in a re-education camp wouldn't I...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don; you are hysterical; you crack me up without even trying.

There wasn't anything wrong with the good doctor advocating a sugar tax but to say that the government should do it is clearly POLITICAL
don_dunstan
How illogical can you get? Who the hell else could do it but the government? ?
It's political when you take sides; it is not  political when you make a suggestion to government. People and groups everywhere do it all the time. It's part of living in a democracy.

You were agreeing with him that the government has to carry the can and make people change their behaviour by LEGISLATION. Compulsion. End-of-story.
don_dunstan
Complete BS; you are now becoming unhinged. You cannot show one word of any such agreement by me because there wasn't one.
My whole post concerned the doctor's right to speak without being accused of political advocacy. Nothing more ( until your overworked imagination came along.)

You wrote "From what you wrote, I presume you preferred that he didn't speak". Again, putting words in my mouth, all I said was that legislation wouldn't be my preferred option.
don_dunstan
I inferred a preference from your words, and commented thereon. That is putting my own words down, and not in your mouth (ugh!)

You can't construct an argument against me to save yourself;
don_dunstan
Nobody can; your complete lack of logical thinking and your continual misquoting make it impossible.

But, by golly, I do enjoy showing you up.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I suffered from a deep vein thrombosis in my right leg about sixteen years ago.

I was treated very well in Emergency and elected to be treated as a private patient.

I was placed in a six-bed room and was there for six days.
The blood thinning medication worked straight away but I was kept in owing to the risk of a detached blood clot.

How is this relevant to this thread?

I think ten other people were in my room during my stay.
I was the only one in there WITHOUT diabetes....
At least three people were diagnosed as diabetic after admission.
If this is a true sample something should be done (remember this was years ago)

This is costing all of us a large proportion of our taxes.
If diabetes can be reduced by charging more for high sugar drinks it should be done as soon as possible.

The analogy with cigarettes is valid.
High added sugar foods should be taxed higher and advertising reduced or eliminated.
That should reduce demand.

Peter
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Has upping the price of ciggies done anything well yes it has it just makes the poorer person who smokes a bit poorer and that is about it. In other words it put a few off but not many, same as putting those awful photos on ciggie packets does it stop them buying ciggies and again in most cases the answer is no. So just what will a sugar tax do probably bugga all if they want to drink a fizzy drink laden with sugar then let them all they have to do is stop drinking it. It used to be called will power something that today is sadly lacking.

Also in the USA during prohibition what did it do, nothing actually more alcoholic drinks were consumed during prohibition than before or after it so banning something is also not the answer. Like some one pointed out get up and get some exercise like they used to do in years past ride a bike to the local shops instead of driving your car, walk to places again rather than take your car if it is at all possible. Then you get rid of what builds up in your body and you save a fortune on gym memberships as well.

You do not have to look like Arnie Schwarzenegger though just to say you look fit, that is only a ill conceived idea, you can be perfectly healthy and fit without going that far.

So walk more, jog if you can, do more active type work at home, use your brains a lot more as well and you to might not end up either obese or suffering from Diabetes. It is not a magic spell though you could still come a cropper of something that could really throw you around a bit though.

I used to ride a pushie and still do at times, but I walk to the local shopping centre now about a kilometre or more away and walk back, sure you get sore doing it but that is what exercise is about, sitting on your bum all day is not exercise though.

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