50 level crossings to be removed

 
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Baby steps in the safe seats of the outer east, but at least it's something.
Heihachi_73

I don't understand what you mean here.  Lilydale is in one of the seats that stayed Liberal, it's not in any way a safe Labor seat.

If anything, the ALP would be trying extra to try and add it to their tally for next time.

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  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Doesn't worry me, YG is in the State seat of Eildon - also safe liberal, but irrelevant in this context.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
She wants a station adjacent to the former Cave Hill quarry, currently being back-filled and levelled for a new housing estate, as well as fixing the single lane underpass beneath the rail line at Hull & Mooroolbark Rd intersection. In my opinion, a station at the peak of the grade is closer to Lilydale than is warranted. Better to put it on the down side of the previously mentioned intersection, being more equidistant from existing stations and lots of already existing housing immediately adjacent and still next to the edge of this new estate.
Unsurprisingly, she tows the party line of needing the East West link to get her constituents "home sooner", as if that'll happen.
It is frankly idiotic for the Victorian Government to budget to remove the Maroondah Hwy Lilydale level crossing but not also duplicate the track between Mooroolbark and Lilydale. It would be far cheaper overall to do the duplication and build the new station while the level crossing removal is underway instead of ~10 years into the future. Removing single-track sections of track on the Metro network should be a higher priority than level crossing removals as they are a far bigger obstacle to increasing service reliability and frequencies.
LancedDendrite
It should be however there are reasons for not doing so.
Reasons for not doing so are
-Undermines Road Centric Infrastructure spending that has dominated the west since the 1950s
-more Expensive as it can require Land requisitioning from outside the exisiting corridors
-more visible to the average voter than the aforementioned above as it improves traffic flow.
-Appeals to the entrenched Car Culture in this nation
-Make it look like the State Government is actually investing in Infrastructure when its just diddling its thumbs about
  Upven Station Master

Baby steps in the safe seats of the outer east, but at least it's something. What are the odds that it's still single track and two trains an hour at the end of the decade though? If Lilydale does end up duplicated, we also need to at least get a second track on the Belgrave line to Upper Ferntree Gully (if not Upwey) for even half a chance at a decent service on the Burnley group, especially if the 19th century practice of running branch line shuttle services is to remain. If the Belgrave line is duplicated to Upper Ferntree Gully, Belgrave trains will probably still be every half an hour but with decent signalling, timetabling and half a brain, additional trains could run to UFG in between the full-distance services much like Hurstbridge/Eltham and Sunbury/Watergardens until the government coughs up the rest to duplicate the rest of the Belgrave line (I wouldn't expect Ashburton-Alamein but who knows - Wattle Glen and Hurstbridge will probably beat the Belgrave/Lilydale line to 10-minute trains!)
Heihachi_73
Very much so, I had to double-check for a moment because I thought surely the Belgrave line was every twenty minutes, but no sadly you're right.. still every 30.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Baby steps in the safe seats of the outer east, but at least it's something. What are the odds that it's still single track and two trains an hour at the end of the decade though? If Lilydale does end up duplicated, we also need to at least get a second track on the Belgrave line to Upper Ferntree Gully (if not Upwey) for even half a chance at a decent service on the Burnley group, especially if the 19th century practice of running branch line shuttle services is to remain. If the Belgrave line is duplicated to Upper Ferntree Gully, Belgrave trains will probably still be every half an hour but with decent signalling, timetabling and half a brain, additional trains could run to UFG in between the full-distance services much like Hurstbridge/Eltham and Sunbury/Watergardens until the government coughs up the rest to duplicate the rest of the Belgrave line (I wouldn't expect Ashburton-Alamein but who knows - Wattle Glen and Hurstbridge will probably beat the Belgrave/Lilydale line to 10-minute trains!)
Very much so, I had to double-check for a moment because I thought surely the Belgrave line was every twenty minutes, but no sadly you're right.. still every 30.
Upven
Every 20 at weekends.  Given the constraints of the single track sections, that's as good as could be hoped for at present, but still waiting for 20 minutes on week days.  Ten minutes not possible until duplication.

I spoke to someone from Metro at an information session, and he said there will be limited  provision for the duplication at Lilydale. To allow for the elevated station, new duplicated track would commence on a rise just down from the Taylor St/Melba Avenue crossing, extending over a new, higher, double track bridge at John St. and then into the new station.

If the duplication had been done first, it would have meant duplicating the existing John St. bridge, putting a second track across the Maroondah Highway, possibly widening the crossing, and probably some modifications to the Lilydale yard layout, plus signalling.  All of these would then be ripped up or made redundant when the LX was later removed.  Ideally, both the duplication and the LX removal should be done at the same time, but otherwise it's probably better to do the LX removal first.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Baby steps in the safe seats of the outer east, but at least it's something. What are the odds that it's still single track and two trains an hour at the end of the decade though? If Lilydale does end up duplicated, we also need to at least get a second track on the Belgrave line to Upper Ferntree Gully (if not Upwey) for even half a chance at a decent service on the Burnley group, especially if the 19th century practice of running branch line shuttle services is to remain. If the Belgrave line is duplicated to Upper Ferntree Gully, Belgrave trains will probably still be every half an hour but with decent signalling, timetabling and half a brain, additional trains could run to UFG in between the full-distance services much like Hurstbridge/Eltham and Sunbury/Watergardens until the government coughs up the rest to duplicate the rest of the Belgrave line (I wouldn't expect Ashburton-Alamein but who knows - Wattle Glen and Hurstbridge will probably beat the Belgrave/Lilydale line to 10-minute trains!)
Very much so, I had to double-check for a moment because I thought surely the Belgrave line was every twenty minutes, but no sadly you're right.. still every 30.
Every 20 at weekends.  Given the constraints of the single track sections, that's as good as could be hoped for at present, but still waiting for 20 minutes on week days.  Ten minutes not possible until duplication.

I spoke to someone from Metro at an information session, and he said there will be limited  provision for the duplication at Lilydale. To allow for the elevated station, new duplicated track would commence on a rise just down from the Taylor St/Melba Avenue crossing, extending over a new, higher, double track bridge at John St. and then into the new station.

If the duplication had been done first, it would have meant duplicating the existing John St. bridge, putting a second track across the Maroondah Highway, possibly widening the crossing, and probably some modifications to the Lilydale yard layout, plus signalling.  All of these would then be ripped up or made redundant when the LX was later removed.  Ideally, both the duplication and the LX removal should be done at the same time, but otherwise it's probably better to do the LX removal first.
Lad_Porter
Current Lilydale yard is completely stuffed. Should be totally relaied with the new station is completed.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Baby steps in the safe seats of the outer east, but at least it's something. What are the odds that it's still single track and two trains an hour at the end of the decade though? If Lilydale does end up duplicated, we also need to at least get a second track on the Belgrave line to Upper Ferntree Gully (if not Upwey) for even half a chance at a decent service on the Burnley group, especially if the 19th century practice of running branch line shuttle services is to remain. If the Belgrave line is duplicated to Upper Ferntree Gully, Belgrave trains will probably still be every half an hour but with decent signalling, timetabling and half a brain, additional trains could run to UFG in between the full-distance services much like Hurstbridge/Eltham and Sunbury/Watergardens until the government coughs up the rest to duplicate the rest of the Belgrave line (I wouldn't expect Ashburton-Alamein but who knows - Wattle Glen and Hurstbridge will probably beat the Belgrave/Lilydale line to 10-minute trains!)
Very much so, I had to double-check for a moment because I thought surely the Belgrave line was every twenty minutes, but no sadly you're right.. still every 30.
Every 20 at weekends.  Given the constraints of the single track sections, that's as good as could be hoped for at present, but still waiting for 20 minutes on week days.  Ten minutes not possible until duplication.

I spoke to someone from Metro at an information session, and he said there will be limited  provision for the duplication at Lilydale. To allow for the elevated station, new duplicated track would commence on a rise just down from the Taylor St/Melba Avenue crossing, extending over a new, higher, double track bridge at John St. and then into the new station.

If the duplication had been done first, it would have meant duplicating the existing John St. bridge, putting a second track across the Maroondah Highway, possibly widening the crossing, and probably some modifications to the Lilydale yard layout, plus signalling.  All of these would then be ripped up or made redundant when the LX was later removed.  Ideally, both the duplication and the LX removal should be done at the same time, but otherwise it's probably better to do the LX removal first.
Current Lilydale yard is completely stuffed. Should be totally relaied with the new station is completed.
  ngarner Chief Train Controller

Location: Seville
Current Lilydale yard is completely stuffed. Should be totally relaied with the new station is completed.
trainbrain
Sure is! They struggle to use the run around road without derailing as has happened a number of times over the last few years

Neil
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Current Lilydale yard is completely stuffed. Should be totally relaied with the new station is completed.
Sure is! They struggle to use the run around road without derailing as has happened a number of times over the last few years

Neil
ngarner
The runaround road is closed and looks as if it has one of the track nlades sitting in the dirt. The Old Good Shed road is available only for track machines.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Surely the yard being stuffed is just another argument in favour of duplication? If something goes wrong in the yard, then two tracks allow trains to be brought in and out to provide the service.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
That may be true but we still need a place to store those trains overnight...
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
That may be true but we still need a place to store those trains overnight...
railblogger
Nah, just run 'em MT cars back to Jolimont Yard Laughing
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
That may be true but we still need a place to store those trains overnight...
Nah, just run 'em MT cars back to Jolimont Yard Laughing
BrentonGolding
In the same vein of impractical solutions......  Coldstream is closer.
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
In the same vein.....

Why bother parking, just run them all night. So much easier, let's party every night instead of just weekend.

cheers
John
  ngarner Chief Train Controller

Location: Seville
Latest information on the LXRP website says that the Toorak Rd crossing work has been done so efficiently that the crossing will be replaced in April, some 6 months earlier than projected.

Toorak Rd

Neil
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Probably fair to say Kevin Devlin (LXRP) is the only major project manager not under serious heat at the moment...
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Is Coldstream possible alongside duplication in the future. Plenty of room for a stabling yard
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Is Coldstream possible alongside duplication in the future. Plenty of room for a stabling yard
ptvcommuter

Yes, it's on the list of long-term projects.  Won't happen soon though.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
How does the new bike track to Yering fit in with that?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

How does the new bike track to Yering fit in with that?
Lad_Porter
Bulldozed.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Is Coldstream possible alongside duplication in the future. Plenty of room for a stabling yard

Yes, it's on the list of long-term projects.  Won't happen soon though.
Adogs
Coldstream isn't on "the list", merely "a train maintenance facility in the Lilydale area". In any case the Victrack land at Coldstream opposite the station that was previously leased has now been sold off, so there's much less space available for a big TMF there.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Housing estate to be established, the railtrail is doomed.
  Upven Station Master

Housing estate to be established, the railtrail is doomed.
trainbrain
The land isn't within the urban growth boundary, the rail trail is safe. Coldstream will not get a connection to Metro, because it is not zoned for any future growth. Wrong side of Melbourne to be proposing a rail extension.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
At Werribee, the removal works at Cherry St have commenced as of a couple of weeks ago, with tree removal done along Railway Ave, and work huts being setup, moved from the Aviation Rd job. Imagine works shortly will start on covering the irrigation channel next to Wyndham City office site where the new road is to go.

At Werribee St, even though i haven't see the final plans announced, cranes and hole boring machines have been setup and started work. They are digging holes next to the existing standard gauge line. Need to see what the coming weeks bring, but indications are the rail over road will be built next to the existing lines, and not on the current alignment. Thoughts have been that the BG would be shutdown and the bridge constructed on that alignment, but that may not be happening. Progress in time will clarify that

no works have commenced at Hoppers Crossing as yet. All 3 where supposed to be done together.

Also, no works on the underpass at Aircraft station seems to have commenced, or indications that it will. perhaps the at grade pedestrian crossing will remain in the end.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The Aircraft underpass is still happening, it's part of stage 2 of the works, that project is definitely not completed yet, since the second stage will happen as soon as all three crossings down the line are in progress.

You can still see the old alignment of the road, it's far from completion at Aircraft. I'm assuming the underpass construction was put on hold until the other crossings started. Originally Hoppers Crossing level crossing removal wasn't announced, when Aircraft had been divided into 2 stages.

This is why I believe it has been delayed.

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