Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The Victorian government needs to come up with some other plan independent of the South Australian government, Steve Marshall will not change his mind.
"don_dunstan"
I don't blame him. To him, the Overland is as useful as a chocolate teapot.

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Any actual news about how the negotiations on the future of the Overland are going? Time is ticking away (yet again), only two months left of the 'life-line'.

If it was up to our Premier Steve Marshall I'm sure it would have been permanently 'bustituted' by now, complete with vinyl stickers proclaiming "The Overland" (bus). We'll just tell people it's a train, they won't notice the difference...

The Victorian government needs to come up with some other plan independent of the South Australian government, Steve Marshall will not change his mind.
don_dunstan

Always easier (and lazier) to blame the government Razz

It's a privately operated service so it's up to Journey Beyond to come up with a plan.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The plan from the Journey Beyond side of it seems to be to keep operating the train so long as the primary customer (the Victorian Government) keeps paying for it.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Always easier (and lazier) to blame the government
"bingley hall"
If the gummint doesn't pay, do you really see Journey Beyond continuing with The Overland for altruistic reasons?

It's a privately operated service so it's up to Journey Beyond to come up with a plan.
"bingley hall"
It's a subsidised privately operated service. Journey Beyond can nick off and operate its core business whenever it likes. No profit; no Overland; simples.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Just received this from the Nhill free press, where wobert is the drinks waiter.

Bit more noise to be made for rail transport by the locals, still simmering away.

Not sure how to attach the link so cut & paste if all else fails.


Media contact: Suzanne Bysouth 03 5382 0097 or 03 5571 9800, email - suzanne.bysouth@parliament.vic.gov.au

28 January 2020
Hopes for passenger rail announcement

In a rare visit by a Labor MP, the Wimmera will see Hon. Melissa Horne, Minister for Public Transport in Horsham tomorrow.

The Nationals Member for Lowan, Emma Kealy said the Minister’s visit will be an ideal opportunity for her to see and hear just how important it is our region has access to passenger rail.

“Many local residents regularly travel to larger city centres for education, health and specialist appointments and I truly hope the Minister listens to locals and uses her visit positively to announce our region will finally get the passenger rail services we so desperately need,” Ms Kealy said.

The Overland is currently the only passenger rail service to Western Victoria and is at risk of closing at the end of March, with no future funding commitments received from Labor.

“Just three months funding security for The Overland, which only runs twice a week, is simply not good enough,” Ms Kealy said.

“The Minister must match the election commitment made by The Nationals that local people emphatically voted for and fund the return of passenger rail services with multiple daily links to Melbourne for Horsham and Hamilton.

“I continue to call on Daniel Andrews and his Labor Minister’s to make good on their commitment to ‘deliver for all Victorians’ by giving local residents the public transport connections they are entitled to and deserve.”


This is Emma Kealy's press release.

BigShunter.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Yet she's been deadly quiet about the SA government pulling the pin.Seems that a couple of times a year Emma opens her gob and has a whinge about public transport and the State Labor government. Why doesn't she ask her Federal counterpart to lobby the feds?And her side had their chance before the Andrews Gov was erected. Typical National Party, especially in a safe seat, they do sweet F A for any one.

A train to Horsham would be nice, but there's half empty buses running all over the Wimmera.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yet she's been deadly quiet about the SA government pulling the pin.Seems that a couple of times a year Emma opens her gob and has a whinge about public transport and the State Labor government. Why doesn't she ask her Federal counterpart to lobby the feds?And her side had their chance before the Andrews Gov was erected. Typical National Party, especially in a safe seat, they do sweet F A for any one.

A train to Horsham would be nice, but there's half empty buses running all over the Wimmera.
wobert
Half empty? That implies they are half full! Maybe you can send a few pax over here for the Maryborough Road Coach to / from Castlemaine which I am reliably informed is considered well patronised if any more than 4 people board a service! Laughing
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Sorry Brenton, actually had a similar thought,two thirds empty would probably be closer.

Last year picked up daughter on bus from Ballarat to Horsham, 4 got off at Stawell and her at Horsham. Thats about a third of a third.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Yet she's been deadly quiet about the SA government pulling the pin.Seems that a couple of times a year Emma opens her gob and has a whinge about public transport and the State Labor government. Why doesn't she ask her Federal counterpart to lobby the feds?And her side had their chance before the Andrews Gov was erected. Typical National Party, especially in a safe seat, they do sweet F A for any one.

A train to Horsham would be nice, but there's half empty buses running all over the Wimmera.
wobert
Another rare juncture where I agree - if the VIC government doesn't want to pay for it in its entirety they could always ask (in conjunction with SA) the Commonwealth to help fund a replacement given its an interstate service. As we've discussed ad infinitum the SA government doesn't want to continue funding the current model and that's fair enough - so what could possibly replace it that will make everyone happy?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
don_dunstan
6 or 7 days a week return service, nothing less.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

flogging a dead horse.........................
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Yet she's been deadly quiet about the SA government pulling the pin.Seems that a couple of times a year Emma opens her gob and has a whinge about public transport and the State Labor government. Why doesn't she ask her Federal counterpart to lobby the feds?And her side had their chance before the Andrews Gov was erected. Typical National Party, especially in a safe seat, they do sweet F A for any one.

A train to Horsham would be nice, but there's half empty buses running all over the Wimmera.
Another rare juncture where I agree - if the VIC government doesn't want to pay for it in its entirety they could always ask (in conjunction with SA) the Commonwealth to help fund a replacement given its an interstate service. As we've discussed ad infinitum the SA government doesn't want to continue funding the current model and that's fair enough - so what could possibly replace it that will make everyone happy?
don_dunstan
The Commonwealth government most likely not going to be funding replacement interstate service given that fact they stop funding The Ghan and The Indian Pacific trains services and which the outcome was the seat services were removed from these services.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Yet she's been deadly quiet about the SA government pulling the pin.Seems that a couple of times a year Emma opens her gob and has a whinge about public transport and the State Labor government. Why doesn't she ask her Federal counterpart to lobby the feds?And her side had their chance before the Andrews Gov was erected. Typical National Party, especially in a safe seat, they do sweet F A for any one.

A train to Horsham would be nice, but there's half empty buses running all over the Wimmera.
Another rare juncture where I agree - if the VIC government doesn't want to pay for it in its entirety they could always ask (in conjunction with SA) the Commonwealth to help fund a replacement given its an interstate service. As we've discussed ad infinitum the SA government doesn't want to continue funding the current model and that's fair enough - so what could possibly replace it that will make everyone happy?
The Commonwealth government most likely not going to be funding replacement interstate service given that fact they stop funding The Ghan and The Indian Pacific trains services and which the outcome was the seat services were removed from these services.
melbtrip
Yes and no - the Commonwealth-funded seats and concessions were removed some years ago because the (then) operator just didn't want backpackers slumming it on their train anymore. Kind-of fair enough because by then those services were more or less exclusively catering to the international tourist market and they wanted to turn it into a full-time tourist thing with stops/activities along the way.

The Overland is an entirely different style of service and the VIC government has continued to have V/line-reserved seats on it and it stops at towns along the way in order to (in theory) service those places. So it's really still a hybrid tourist/passenger service and as such the Commonwealth could possibly step in and maybe fund either improvements to the corridor, the stations or new rolling stock - it is in their 'bag' to help fund interstate transport services.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This has to be one of the most tedious threads in a long long time - just cancel the bloody thing. It's a disgrace to the name anyway.
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  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Bit more noise to be made for rail transport by the locals, still simmering away.

28 January 2020
Hopes for passenger rail announcement

In a rare visit by a Labor MP, the Wimmera will see Hon. Melissa Horne, Minister for Public Transport in Horsham tomorrow.

The Nationals Member for Lowan, Emma Kealy said the Minister’s visit will be an ideal opportunity for her to see and hear just how important it is our region has access to passenger rail.

BigShunter.
BigShunter

And so here is why the Minister was up Horsham way.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-support-for-wimmera-community-connections/

More Support For Wimmera Community Connections

Minister for Public Transport 29 January 2020

Media Release

The Andrews Labor Government is helping to keep communities across the Wimmera connected, with support for a community transport program to continue.

Minister for Public Transport Melissa Horne today visited the region to announce a $50,000 investment for the Wimmera Southern Mallee Transport Program to continue for another two years, reducing social exclusion and promoting community connection throughout the region.

The program, which is run by the Centre for Participation in partnership with West Wimmera Shire, delivers a return door-to-door community transport program between Kaniva and Horsham.

Volunteer drivers pick up passengers from their homes in Kaniva, Nhill, Dimboola and Pimpinio on the way to Horsham every Wednesday, transporting them to designated pickup points along the Western Highway to connect with bus services to Horsham – with Saturday services also provided once a month.

The program allows residents from these communities to access medical appointments, educational opportunities and recreation activities in Horsham. The service is made possible with the use of the West Wimmera Shire minibus and the Centre for Participation’s own vehicle.

The Labor Government’s support has been provided through the Flexible Local Transport Solutions Program, which was established in 2018 to support small-scale local transport initiatives and innovative transport solutions across the state.

For more information about the Flexible Local Transport Solutions Program, visit transport.vic.gov.au/FLTSP.

Quotes attributable to Minister for Public Transport Melissa Horne

“Programs like the Wimmera Southern Mallee Transport Program are vital to keep country communities connected; making it easier for people to get to important medical appointments, keep in touch with friends and go shopping.”

“We’re proud to be working with the Centre for Participation, West Wimmera Shire Council and their volunteer drivers to help reduce feelings of isolation and exclusion and promote positive community connections.”
Minister for Public Transport

Maybe this community bus funding is the replacement for funding the Overland?

Ross
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Always easier (and lazier) to blame the government
If the gummint doesn't pay, do you really see Journey Beyond continuing with The Overland for altruistic reasons?

It's a privately operated service so it's up to Journey Beyond to come up with a plan.
It's a subsidised privately operated service. Journey Beyond can nick off and operate its core business whenever it likes. No profit; no Overland; simples.
Valvegear

So you agree the private sector can't make it work?

But everywhere else (not necessarily from you) I'm reading on Railpage the private sector does things so, so much better?

Time for people to get on board one side or the other.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With regard to the Overland the Transport Minister announced (see RP news) more buses with talk baout more buses for Horsham, Ararat and Hamilton.  The Overland has a place but is it providing enough capacity?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So you agree the private sector can't make it work?

But everywhere else (not necessarily from you) I'm reading on Railpage the private sector does things so, so much better?
bingley hall
The answers to your comments in the order listed above  are:-

Yes.

No.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Here's an article from the Nhill Free Press about the Overland that BigShunter sent to me.
https://flic.kr/p/2ipnrDd
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

All the easily checked errors in that story show how much the locals really care about the train.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
All the easily checked errors in that story show how much the locals really care about the train.
justapassenger
Probably a little harsh justapassenger, the locals didn't write the article, it was a person on work experience but yes plenty of inaccurate points in it and should have been run past someone who's got a touch of rocket science about them, wobert would be perfect.

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
All the easily checked errors in that story show how much the locals really care about the train.
justapassenger
That's not a story that's an advertorial.

The bloke in the chair looks pretty happy to see the train arriving - might be a Gunzel I reckon.......
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If the article was written by an obviously unsupervised 'work experience' participant she should try something else to 'experience' next time.

Much of the article is just plain rubbish. What the hell does the second para in the third column mean?

Electronic trams ...................
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

All the easily checked errors in that story show how much the locals really care about the train.
That's not a story that's an advertorial.
BrentonGolding
Looks like a story, I don't see a 'sponsored advertisement' disclosure anywhere.

If it is a 'cash for comments' piece, it's an absolutely atrocious one and the local paper should consider not charging for it.

If the article was written by an obviously unsupervised 'work experience' participant she should try something else to 'experience' next time.

Much of the article is just plain rubbish. What the hell does the second para in the third column mean?
YM-Mundrabilla
If so, the bulk of the responsibility belongs to whoever was supposed to be supervising her and ensuring that her placement has genuine educational value, i.e. teaching her to make at least a cursory check of a few basic details using Google before publishing garbage.

Using work experience students as slave labour is illegal. This should be reported to Fair Work Australia.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Benalla, VIC
Looks like a story, I don't see a 'sponsored advertisement' disclosure anywhere.
justapassenger
The first non-bold paragraph is probably the only thing in the article I could consider news. The rest of the article is not a news story but a (poor) editorial commentary piece.

Great Southern Rail/Great Western Rail (as it is variously known in the article, neither of which are currently correct) have been known not to advertise the Overland service, so it is very unlikely they'd place an advertorial in local papers (not the audience they are after regardless) let alone one of this quality.

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