Train crash/fire BARNAWARTHA

 
  joffie Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Breaking now on the CFA stream, unknown what type of train but apparently has derailed and now on fire.  Location HUME FWY BARNAWARTHA.
Passengers currently evacuating.
Further information no passengers onboard and no dangerous goods.

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  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Breaking now on the CFA stream, unknown what type of train but apparently has derailed and now on fire.  Location HUME FWY BARNAWARTHA.
Passengers currently evacuating.
joffie
Albury pax 8630 and PNs 4MC2 are currently at Barnawartha.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Looks bad:
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
My sources tell MC2 derailed and the VLine struck a container.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A further update:
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Neighbours just returned from the site and reports containers everywhere  

Line will be closer for a while.

We are going for a look.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
That should be  a good excuse for V/line to cancel all passenger services on the NE SG for 10 years or so while the ATSB investigates.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
That should be  a good excuse for V/line to cancel all passenger services on the NE SG for 10 years or so while the ATSB investigates.
YM-Mundrabilla
Nah, they we're back on pretty quickly after they hit the coil of steel at Violet Town.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Reports of 11 wagons derailed and a crash fire.  Reports also of a driver being trapped.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Reports of 11 wagons derailed and a crash fire.  Reports also of a driver being trapped.
bevans
All drivers are fine.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
With 17 passengers I’m sure no one will notice the lack of services.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With 17 passengers I’m sure no one will notice the lack of services.
lkernan

I remember when the Albury service was one of the top patronised routes for vline.  Look how far it has fallen.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
I know it's too early to speculate on the cause of the derailment, but I couldn't resist mentioning the recent Infrastructure Australia report stating that it wasn't worth fixing the North East line:

The lack of benefit to freight services was one reason that Infrastructure Australia turned down the project, along with the lack of new rail services, new rolling stock, or faster travel times.
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/infrastructure-australia-knocks-back-north-east-rail-line-upgrade
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
I know it's too early to speculate on the cause of the derailment, but I couldn't resist mentioning the recent Infrastructure Australia report stating that it wasn't worth fixing the North East line:

The lack of benefit to freight services was one reason that Infrastructure Australia turned down the project, along with the lack of new rail services, new rolling stock, or faster travel times.
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/infrastructure-australia-knocks-back-north-east-rail-line-upgrade
TheMeddlingMonk
I was thinking exactly the same thing!

Maybe someone should point this out to the media.

Ross
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Not the first time a passenger train on that corridor has struck a derailed goods this last 20 years. What, third now?

Guess that will stop them running V’locity trains anytime soon, no way they could withstand the impact like those N class can. I doubt a few bits of fancy metal will protect the passengers as well as 120 tonnes  of loco
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Reports of 11 wagons derailed and a crash fire.  Reports also of a driver being trapped.
All drivers are fine.
Fatty
Thankfully.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Not the first time a passenger train on that corridor has struck a derailed goods this last 20 years. What, third now?

Guess that will stop them running V’locity trains anytime soon, no way they could withstand the impact like those N class can. I doubt a few bits of fancy metal will protect the passengers as well as 120 tonnes  of loco
hbedriver
If this is the third similar instance everything will be OK now but I have never been able to establish the beginning and the end of the 'derailments come in threes' principle.

Bit of a believer in the loco hauled school of thought myself.

Not a believer in 'railmotors' like Vlocity and Sprinter either.

Just a dinosaur, I guess.

Thankfully everyone is OK (apparently).
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A modern multiple unit would be far more crashworthy than a N or Z carriage.

With their archaic construction of an underframe and a carriage body, the carriages would probably all end up on top of each other in the event of a serious frontal collision.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Unlike previous issues like this on the north east the locos this time should have been on the same radio frequency I like the broad gauge and standard gauge times.

The trains were opposing too.

Why did the V/line driver not hear the calls
Of the PN crew on the derailment as a warning ?

The fire was grass only.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
ARTC announcement dated last night https://t.co/OGoTtqpKyd?amp=1
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Why did the V/line driver not hear the calls Of the PN crew on the derailment as a warning ?
freightgate
Why do you assume they didn't?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Why did the V/line driver not hear the calls Of the PN crew on the derailment as a warning ?
Why do you assume they didn't?
jakar
I'm guessing the accident happened very close to the trains being about to pass anyway.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why did the V/line driver not hear the calls Of the PN crew on the derailment as a warning ?
Why do you assume they didn't?
I'm guessing the accident happened very close to the trains being about to pass anyway.
speedemon08

It would seem very close

  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Spoke to one of the drivers. They saw the dirt start to fly just as they approached MC2, and applied emergency brakes immediately. They probably acted before the PacNat crew realised they were in the dirt.

I've never trusted those boxes on passing container trains; so many things can go wrong, and unlike conventional wagons the load (containers) may separate from the wagons in a derailment. Or, as we see on the North East line, even without a derailment.

A loco hitting a load that has fallen off another train may sustain damage, and the crew (me!) may be exposed to life-threatening harm. The passengers are well protected by the mass of the loco, and are generally considered as being at very low risk. What may affect that is a side-on impact (think Kerang semi-trailer), but that is a small risk of occurrence. Train designers tend to design more for a train striking an object head on, be that a B-double, another train, etc. Loco crash-worthiness is rather good usually; think the Ararat prang years ago when two of the G class locos (517/518?) were written off after impact at 70km/h; both drivers on the moving train returned to work for many years afterwards.

And I would think the best place to be on a V'locity train in such an event would be back at the station behind, grumbling about one's bad luck in missing the train!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Spoke to one of the drivers. They saw the dirt start to fly just as they approached MC2, and applied emergency brakes immediately. They probably acted before the PacNat crew realised they were in the dirt.
hbedriver
What incredibly unlucky timing - for a derailment to happen when trains are passing.  This must be something like less than 5% of the time that a train is running (regionally) no?

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