The corona virus COVID-19

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Today, one of our Chinese suppliers contacted our office, asking if we could send an airbag with some face masks - they are unobtainable in China at the moment.

P.S. The Chinese engineering and quality are excellent - Bing will not be surprised; others might.
Valvegear
China is trying to develop and modernise its economy including the world leading use of solar and wind as well as closing coal power stations in populated areas as well as polluting power stations. However what China will not compromise on is a providing a reliable and affordable power supply and is not afraid to build new coal as required to ensure this occurs. The Netherlands have done the same.

Its been published in a few locations that Corona infections will likely exceed 50,000 before they are able to put a stop to the spread. Deaths outside China continue to be just the one again indicating that travelling public are generally healthier than the domestic population of regional China.

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That's right Bing, they are still building coal fired power stations.

Then you'd be delighted at their extensive use of wind farms.....plus of course their trains are so slow Razz
bingley hall

So how much of the human induced CO2 are they involved in.  Is it  30%  or more?  And what is the expected CO2 by 2030?
Maybe 40%.  But that is ok because they are a "Developing Nation" so that any of their CO2 emitted does not count.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

This is beginning to look like a movie about a zombie virus. It sounds like authorities are overwhelmed, by the number of cases and sick people are being left to die due to cold conditions and inadequate resources.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/china-pays-tribute-to-exhausted-coronavirus-staff-as-hospitals-scramble-for-supplies/news-story/95bb3b067270228d1b34f7fb2754070f
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Well, it now looks as if the (second Qantas plane load of ) citizens still stranded in Wuhan and yet to be picked up, will be flown into an abandoned mining area in Darwin. This will be the location of the new quarantine facility(?) because Christmas Island is full.

The adjacent residents, who are primarily first nations, are not happy that their local high school backs onto the facility. I wonder why a quarantine camp can't be set up in the middle of Sydney or Melbourne, say in Mosman or Toorak?

This brings me back to my earlier posts. Send them to Curtain or Woomera. Alternatively, set them up somewhere on the TAR. Fly the 747 directly into Forest, and then move them along the line.

As we head into our winter months, this thing is going to shut down our country. We need these purpose and completely isolated facilities right now as our contamination numbers will continue to grow from the cases we already have at the moment.

We need contingencies for a zombie virus.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Well, it now looks as if the (second Qantas plane load of ) citizens still stranded in Wuhan and yet to be picked up, will be flown into an abandoned mining area in Darwin. This will be the location of the new quarantine facility(?) because Christmas Island is full.

The adjacent residents, who are primarily first nations, are not happy that their local high school backs onto the facility. I wonder why a quarantine camp can't be set up in the middle of Sydney or Melbourne, say in Mosman or Toorak?

This brings me back to my earlier posts. Send them to Curtain or Woomera. Alternatively, set them up somewhere on the TAR. Fly the 747 directly into Forest, and then move them along the line.

As we head into our winter months, this thing is going to shut down our country. We need these purpose and completely isolated facilities right now as our contamination numbers will continue to grow from the cases we already have at the moment.

We need contingencies for a zombie virus.
ANR
Chill out, Scomo has it under control.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Sure he does
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Well, it now looks as if the (second Qantas plane load of ) citizens still stranded in Wuhan and yet to be picked up, will be flown into an abandoned mining area in Darwin. This will be the location of the new quarantine facility(?) because Christmas Island is full.

The adjacent residents, who are primarily first nations, are not happy that their local high school backs onto the facility. I wonder why a quarantine camp can't be set up in the middle of Sydney or Melbourne, say in Mosman or Toorak?

This brings me back to my earlier posts. Send them to Curtain or Woomera. Alternatively, set them up somewhere on the TAR. Fly the 747 directly into Forest, and then move them along the line.

As we head into our winter months, this thing is going to shut down our country. We need these purpose and completely isolated facilities right now as our contamination numbers will continue to grow from the cases we already have at the moment.

We need contingencies for a zombie virus.
Chill out, Scomo has it under control.
michaelgm
A 747 at Forrest should be something to witness.
An Ansett DC 9 was the biggest thing into Forrest in my memory.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Chill out, Scomo has it under control.
michaelgm
I doubt if he could control a salt or pepper shaker.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Well, it now looks as if the (second Qantas plane load of ) citizens still stranded in Wuhan and yet to be picked up, will be flown into an abandoned mining area in Darwin. This will be the location of the new quarantine facility(?) because Christmas Island is full.

The adjacent residents, who are primarily first nations, are not happy that their local high school backs onto the facility. I wonder why a quarantine camp can't be set up in the middle of Sydney or Melbourne, say in Mosman or Toorak?

This brings me back to my earlier posts. Send them to Curtain or Woomera. Alternatively, set them up somewhere on the TAR. Fly the 747 directly into Forest, and then move them along the line.

As we head into our winter months, this thing is going to shut down our country. We need these purpose and completely isolated facilities right now as our contamination numbers will continue to grow from the cases we already have at the moment.

We need contingencies for a zombie virus.
ANR
As the flights have left many days apart from each other you would need to take each batch to a new location otherwise the whole quarantine time needs to restart encase you cannot guarantee separation of the various batches.

Again, why would you take these people to the southern states more heavily populated regions?

I'm sure during this process the various govt agencies will also working with how to deal with a much more infectious virus in the future in mind and using this as a training exercise.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Once again the person that’s seen too many movies comments on something he doesn’t know.

Forrest is too short for 747 aircraft, but more importantly, the ‘taxiway’ is way too narrow.

Nor does Forrest have the required width to turn a 747, since it also likely doesn’t have tug equipment that would make for one hell of a power back - if a 747 is even able to, let alone certified to make a power back.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
IF a 747 actually got down at Forrest they could rail the wreckage out in AOOX wagons. Probably no need to cut the bits up.

The DC 9 that I am aware of had to be one with special low pressure tyres but that is 40 odd years ago and aircraft have improved a great deal since then. DC 9s were, I think, capable of pushing themselves back if necessary (in those days?).

I like the address of the Forrest Airport on their website which is shown as '1 Forrest - Mundrabilla Road'.

I once had the opportunity to fly out of Forrest but chose to return to Port Augusta on the train.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
As the flights have left many days apart from each other you would need to take each batch to a new location otherwise the whole quarantine time needs to restart encase you cannot guarantee separation of the various batches.
RTT_Rules
Exactly.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
IF a 747 actually got down at Forrest they could rail the wreckage out in AOOX wagons. Probably no need to cut the bits up.

The DC 9 that I am aware of had to be one with special low pressure tyres but that is 40 odd years ago and aircraft have improved a great deal since then. DC 9s were, I think, capable of pushing themselves back if necessary (in those days?).

I like the address of the Forrest Airport on their website which is shown as '1 Forrest - Mundrabilla Road'.
YM-Mundrabilla
There might have been some resurfacing since then; but the low pressure tyres point may still be true, I can see no data on the runway mass capacity - it is potentially incapable of landing any jet current in major Australian airlines since Virgin cancelled operation of E-jets.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
This is beginning to look like a movie about a zombie virus. It sounds like authorities are overwhelmed, by the number of cases and sick people are being left to die due to cold conditions and inadequate resources.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/china-pays-tribute-to-exhausted-coronavirus-staff-as-hospitals-scramble-for-supplies/news-story/95bb3b067270228d1b34f7fb2754070f
ANR
Yep, you obviously enjoy believing Hollywood over facts. Or rely on Newscorp for your facts.

The hype yesterday that Coronovirus deaths exceeded SARS. That is true, but we will ignore some other information.

The population of the world and China was lower. Eg 2003 the global population was 6.3B now it is 7.8B, therefore the rate is still lower.

The death rate of SARS was 5%, Coronovirus is 2%. MERS was 10%.

But no we, will stick to hysteria.

What I love is that some people are blaming China. However it is a good thing that it originated there. Imagine it was Australia. Could you imagine our government locking down cities, reacting the way that China has. Nup it wouldn't happen as our society enjoys much higher level of freedom of movement. If it originated here or another western nation, this thing would be a pandemic now.

At the moment this virus will continue to increase, but like other coronovirus (hate to break it to you, that you might have one already, but just not this specific one) they spread then slow down as the population herd immunity, slows the spread.

What is unknown and the long term concern is, the virus could mutate slightly and become infectious again and stuff up any medium term vaccination plans.

This will have a while to play out, but to say that this is a zombie virus reflects ignorance and believing the hysteria eaten up my the mainstream media.

So far the 2017 Flu season knocked off 1163 Aussies, than what this thing has globally, so far. Yes the story is "So far" and it will be worse before it gets better, but knock off the hysteria. It doesn't help, have some faith in the medical people in this country.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
This is beginning to look like a movie about a zombie virus. It sounds like authorities are overwhelmed, by the number of cases and sick people are being left to die due to cold conditions and inadequate resources.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/china-pays-tribute-to-exhausted-coronavirus-staff-as-hospitals-scramble-for-supplies/news-story/95bb3b067270228d1b34f7fb2754070f
Yep, you obviously enjoy believing Hollywood over facts. Or rely on Newscorp for your facts.

The hype yesterday that Coronovirus deaths exceeded SARS. That is true, but we will ignore some other information.

The population of the world and China was lower. Eg 2003 the global population was 6.3B now it is 7.8B, therefore the rate is still lower.

The death rate of SARS was 5%, Coronovirus is 2%. MERS was 10%.

But no we, will stick to hysteria.

What I love is that some people are blaming China. However it is a good thing that it originated there. Imagine it was Australia. Could you imagine our government locking down cities, reacting the way that China has. Nup it wouldn't happen as our society enjoys much higher level of freedom of movement. If it originated here or another western nation, this thing would be a pandemic now.

At the moment this virus will continue to increase, but like other coronovirus (hate to break it to you, that you might have one already, but just not this specific one) they spread then slow down as the population herd immunity, slows the spread.

What is unknown and the long term concern is, the virus could mutate slightly and become infectious again and stuff up any medium term vaccination plans.

This will have a while to play out, but to say that this is a zombie virus reflects ignorance and believing the hysteria eaten up my the mainstream media.

So far the 2017 Flu season knocked off 1163 Aussies, than what this thing has globally, so far. Yes the story is "So far" and it will be worse before it gets better, but knock off the hysteria. It doesn't help, have some faith in the medical people in this country.
Big J
Agree with you here about we shouldn't be getting unduly panicked, so far, about 90% of the deaths globally has occurred in Hubei Provence in China, but also at the same time, the death rate is not slowing down as of yet, if anything, it seems to be gathering pace, here's hoping that they can find a vaccine in the medium-long term.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

OK, so if Forrest can't land jumbos, what is it good for? What should happen if a large airliner crossing Australia has to make an emergency landing and it can't fly to Perth or Adelaide?

If it can't be Forrest, then land them at Woomera and rail them across from Pimba,(assuming  Woomera accommodation or the former detention centre becomes full).
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

OK, so if Forrest can't land jumbos, what is it good for? What should happen if a large airliner crossing Australia has to make an emergency landing and it can't fly to Perth or Adelaide?

If it can't be Forrest, then land them at Woomera and rail them across from Pimba,(assuming  Woomera accommodation or the former detention centre becomes full).
ANR
Nobody else cares about your autistic fixation on Forrest!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
What happens if a passenger jet is transiting the Indian Ocean and cannot make land or the nearest aircraft carrier?

Just because an airstrip exists does not mean it needs to be capable of landing every aircraft type.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
For what it’s worth ANR, you’ll have to keep trying, although I am about to give up on you, but I am pretty sure Evetts Field cannot land 747s either. Same arguments, too short, too narrow, absence of suitable taxiway, no tug presence and that’s before I bother to look up the pavement mass limit.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
OK, so if Forrest can't land jumbos, what is it good for? What should happen if a large airliner crossing Australia has to make an emergency landing and it can't fly to Perth or Adelaide?

If it can't be Forrest, then land them at Woomera and rail them across from Pimba,(assuming  Woomera accommodation or the former detention centre becomes full).
ANR
I was told that the upgrade to Ravensthorpe runway 15 yrs ago included the scope to enable 737 class, maybe also 767  class jets to land during an emergency situation without risk to the plane in a near normal scenario.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What happens if a passenger jet is transiting the Indian Ocean and cannot make land or the nearest aircraft carrier?

Just because an airstrip exists does not mean it needs to be capable of landing every aircraft type.
Aaron
There are different rules for flying over the Indian Ocean vs flying to Perth from the east coast for this very reason.

There are a number of known locations planes can land around the country that are not a working airport if needed and these are known to the airline industry. The important part is just enabling the plane to land with a reasonable degree of safety for those on board and increase their chances of survival. The ability for the plane to take-off after is not a concern and would be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Refer to the "Gimbi Glider" in Canada or the one eyed pilot landing of a brand new 737 on a canal embankment in the US for examples of how they may deal with this if an when required.

As we have seen over the last 60 years of jet powered commercial aviation in Australia, the need for these emergency landing locations has been near zero, meanwhile a few Cessna's or similar frequently make regular use of beaches, roads, paddocks etc.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
This virus has a new code name it seems, COVID19 as named by the WHO (World Health Organization), so far this virus has claimed a total of 1,115, there well maybe be more than this that China isn't letting on about, meanwhile, a vaccine for COVID19 maybe as little as 18 months away, if you believe what they are saying on the T.V/Radio.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

An interesting update in New Scientist:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233269-how-bad-is-the-covid-19-coronavirus-outbreak-likely-to-get/

"If the virus isn’t halted, it could infect 60 per cent of the world’s population and kill one in 100 of those infected – around 50 million people – Gabriel Leung, at the University of Hong Kong, told The Guardian on 11 February."

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