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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Metcash (Foodland & IGA), Drakes (now not aligned to Metcash/Foodland) and Peregrine are winning this because they are invested here.

If Coleworths want to get what they want, they need to have a corporate presence here permanently instead of just putting a Melbourne-based lobbyist on a plane to try and get a meeting a couple of times a year. My heart is not bleeding for them.

Let the consumer choose is my position; we're all adults.
don_dunstan
Provided that steps are taken to preserve real choice by either breaking up the Coleworths duopoly or permitting only a select number of sites from each group to open for extended hours, I agree.

Let's up the ante and require them to compete on merit.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Metcash (Foodland & IGA), Drakes (now not aligned to Metcash/Foodland) and Peregrine are winning this because they are invested here.

If Coleworths want to get what they want, they need to have a corporate presence here permanently instead of just putting a Melbourne-based lobbyist on a plane to try and get a meeting a couple of times a year. My heart is not bleeding for them.
justapassenger
Aldi invests squat here too apart from their Kilburn distribution centre. Are you going to make it a requirement that anyone and everyone who trades here has to also 'invest' here too? How? What sort of 'investment'? Who decides who is contributing to South Australia enough to be able to trade freely - the state government (yet again)?

Sorry but that sounds like a straight-out appeal to good old-fashioned hokey parochialism, the sort that my avatar fought strongly against.

Provided that steps are taken to preserve real choice by either breaking up the Coleworths duopoly or permitting only a select number of sites from each group to open for extended hours, I agree.

Let's up the ante and require them to compete on merit.
justapassenger
No, you're asking them to compete on a basis that the opposition businesses set for them. There's nothing 'level playing field' about it at all.

You're not letting South Australians decide for themselves what they want. You're forcing them to go to over-priced shops and buy sub-standard goods because you believe its in their own interests to do so.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Sorry if I'm a bit brutal JAP, but that's what I believe - restricted trading hours is just a form of protectionism and it narrows consumer choice in the interests of - who? A big business that just happens to be local? That's just out-and-out parochialism.

If people vote with their feet and want to shop at Woolies and Coles at 11pm on a Sunday night then we should let them do it just like they do in Victoria and NSW.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Cameron McConville, single handedly taking the protest over fuel prices right to the top of Peregrine...
OH, just realised, were you referring to him shunting Sam Shahin into a wall? They rather like their motorsport the Shahins don't they.
don_dunstan
And in only 5 minutes! Laughing

I have never met Sam, but I did once meet Fred, by all accounts Sam is a nice guy, but that is no reason to continue regulating business operating hours of his competition.

The state Liberal government is currently in the process of wringing its hands trying to work through a very difficult ideological matter. Presently there are some 'small businesses' (that is generally big businesses that are not quite big enough to be regarded as big) operating outside the laws on trading for floor space. The state government is in the difficult position of needing to take action to enforce laws that it doesn't support, indeed has a policy of trying to remove.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

I was privileged enough to be allowed on site yesterday.

Heavy construction and civil engineering is actually fairly interesting up close.

Sadly, modern clipboard warriors, sorry, safety personnel and a general fear of litigious society mean I was not allowed to carry a camera/phone.

Not convinced that even if built on the straight the span would be wide enough for double track.

Sorry, I mean, yes Gayspie and David, it’s well wide enough for triple track, one to Flinders, the other two to bypass Flinders and head up between Flagstaff Hill and South Roads to Flagstaff Hill, Happy Valley, Aberfoyle Park to the Christmas tree farm at Chandlers Hill (hell the line has to go somewhere).
Aaron
Aaron your continued tirade against me is not warranted or needed. So if you continue I will have no other choice to report you you to the admins on here.  I never said it was going to carry another track and in actual fact if you took your blinkers off I was actually agreeing with you and others on here that said it would only be one track.

For an supposed educated person you cannot read what is actually written and put your own spin on things and if you cannot read a simple statement then we on here will be hard pressed to actually believe you about anything. I have warned you before about personal attacks and I cannot understand at all your reasons for not liking me as we have only met face to face once that I know of and I have never called you a twit or something worse so what is the problem old son.

You seem to bear a grudge against people for no other reason than your ego, and it shows dreadfully at most times. I admit I have a bit of a go at times at Gayspie but do it because he needs to learn things not to cut him down a couple of notches etc. So be civil and we will all get on fine, hopefully.

As I pointed out before the only double track section of that line is at the junction where it joins the Seaford line and that is only a short section of track used to simply cross two trains if needed, the same as the Grange line set up at Woodville is. So why carry on and put words into my mouth that I have never said at all.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Aaron your continued tirade against me is not warranted or needed. So if you continue I will have no other choice to report you to the admins on here.  I never said it was going to carry another track and in actual fact if you took your blinkers off I was actually agreeing with you and others on here that said it would only be one track.

For an supposed educated person you cannot read what is actually written and put your own spin on things and if you cannot read a simple statement then we on here will be hard pressed to actually believe you about anything. I have warned you before about personal attacks and I cannot understand at all your reasons for not liking me as we have only met face to face once that I know of and I have never called you a twit or something worse so what is the problem old son.

You seem to bear a grudge against people for no other reason than your ego, and it shows dreadfully at most times. I admit I have a bit of a go at times at Gayspie but do it because he needs to learn things not to cut him down a couple of notches etc. So be civil and we will all get on fine, hopefully.

As I pointed out before the only double track section of that line is at the junction where it joins the Seaford line and that is only a short section of track used to simply cross two trains if needed, the same as the Grange line set up at Woodville is. So why carry on and put words into my mouth that I have never said at all.
DJPeters
Well said. By the way, Aaron i am studying at the same institution depicted in your avatar, and even i dont carry on like a pork chop like you. Furthermore, Aaron you seem to think you are always right / superior and that everyone else is always wrong / inferior. Sorry but i, and others, have been putting up with your ego for many years now and me, and others, have all well and truely had enough.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't get the tirades against Aaron on this thread - he can be brusque at times but he's been an informative regular on the forum many years. I've crossed swords with him many times and I think those above who have taken offence at him need to step back and realise that its just an internet board and we're all grown ups (well I assume anyway). So harden up...

Anyway after having to watch Nine News for half an hour they finally revealed that the new Northern Expressway link is due to open first week of March... Transport Minister Wonder Boy announced it so I guess it's for real.

Looking forward to using it as I have a friend in Angle Vale and it'll be about 10 minutes faster than Port Wakefield road (so they say).
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
I don't get the tirades against Aaron on this thread - he can be brusque at times but he's been an informative regular on the forum many years. I've crossed swords with him many times and I think those above who have taken offence at him need to step back and realise that its just an internet board and we're all grown ups (well I assume anyway). So harden up...

Anyway after having to watch Nine News for half an hour they finally revealed that the new Northern Expressway link is due to open first week of March... Transport Minister Wonder Boy announced it so I guess it's for real.

Looking forward to using it as I have a friend in Angle Vale and it'll be about 10 minutes faster than Port Wakefield road (so they say).
don_dunstan
Aaron has personally attacked me and others multiple times, as well as set me up for humiliation with outright lies, above and beyond what is normal online forum topical discussions.

Back on topic, i caught the bus down south to have a look at the goings on of the Flinders Link rail project and i found that the new Flinders station platform is already covered in graffiti...
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

With Alstom set to take over Bombardier Transportation's rail business, I wonder if next year's A-City order will be converted to an X'Trapolis order?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
With Alstom set to take over Bombardier Transportation's rail business, I wonder if next year's A-City order will be converted to an X'Trapolis order?
justapassenger
I hope not, those things bounce all over the place at speed.

As an aside, I just paid $1.079 for petrol @ Liberty on North East Road. I think that's the cheapest price I've paid for petrol in ten years (?).
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

I don't get the tirades against Aaron on this thread - he can be brusque at times but he's been an informative regular on the forum many years. I've crossed swords with him many times and I think those above who have taken offence at him need to step back and realise that its just an internet board and we're all grown ups (well I assume anyway). So harden up...

Anyway after having to watch Nine News for half an hour they finally revealed that the new Northern Expressway link is due to open first week of March... Transport Minister Wonder Boy announced it so I guess it's for real.

Looking forward to using it as I have a friend in Angle Vale and it'll be about 10 minutes faster than Port Wakefield road (so they say).
don_dunstan
He might be brusque as you put it but he could have a bit more concern for other people other than his ego. In person he comes across as a nice sort of person but on here it is open season on people, yes I have met him in person and what I said is how he comes across, but once behind his keyboard he turns into something else. Sort of like a lot of car drivers in this state nice people who would do you no harm in the world but put them behind the wheel of a car and watch all the fireworks start.

He is informative at the best of times but he needs really to work on his communication skills a lot more, so that he does not tear a strip off, of any one, remember you might be next in his firing line. He will not admit he might be wrong on something, though and everyone hopefully knows that not everyone knows everything in this world. You name it and he has done it, or so it seems but he himself has said he did not go to the place on his Avatar even if he did it makes him no better than the person that learn't things the hard way, by the seat of his pants as they say, experts in anything can be wrong and I have seen so called qualified experts make extremely bad mistakes where a amateur can tell them it would not work.

Just because he hates or dislikes certain people he has no real need whatsoever to add that into a simple reply to a question. Answer the question yes, but leave your ego etc at the door on the way in.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
South Australia's desperation over the Attack Class Submarines contract is palpable. As is Western Australia's desperation to win the maintenance contract - WA Today;

The OPV program is part of a planned $200 billion defence spend over the next decade up for grabs for states who want to host the work.

WA and South Australia are currently locked in a battle over naval work, both eagerly awaiting an announcement on where nearly $8 billion worth of maintenance contracts on Australia's aging Collins Class submarine fleet will be based.

South Australia argued moving the work, known as full cycle docking, to WA would rip jobs out of Adelaide and cost $650 million.

WA Defence Issues Minister Paul Papalia said the Collins Class was already based in WA and South Australia's shipbuilding workforce would be under immense pressure as the Hunter Class Frigate and $50 billion Attack Class submarine build programs get under way.

Mr Papalia has overseen an intense lobbying effort to attract federal defence dollars and jobs to WA and said bringing full cycle docking to WA would be like building a new Optus stadium in Perth every two years.

There's only a limited amount of Commonwealth pork to go around and it looks like Perth wants their fair share.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
As a South Australian with potential employment prospects linked to the sub maintenance I say ‘send it to WA’, it just doesn’t make sense sending large, relatively slow military hardware (or any heavy industry hardware) thousands of nm for maintenance.

They have a perfectly good base in WA, do the maintenance there.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
As a South Australian with potential employment prospects linked to the sub maintenance I say ‘send it to WA’, it just doesn’t make sense sending large, relatively slow military hardware (or any heavy industry hardware) thousands of nm for maintenance.

They have a perfectly good base in WA, do the maintenance there.
Aaron
My understanding is that they'd have to travel from Fremantle WA to Osborne SA every time for full-cycle maintenance or even if there was a problem that couldn't be fixed easily in port. As you say that's many hours of wasted time and staff resources every year just to do that - why not just put the maintenance where the permanent base is? Apparently the French have already decided that this is what they want to do anyway but the navy and the government are mucking around with the actual announcement.

If we're going to go American-style and start divvying up defense contracts as an economic reward then we need to try and at least do that fairly so that every state gets a share where practicable.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

As a South Australian with potential employment prospects linked to the sub maintenance I say ‘send it to WA’, it just doesn’t make sense sending large, relatively slow military hardware (or any heavy industry hardware) thousands of nm for maintenance.

They have a perfectly good base in WA, do the maintenance there.
My understanding is that they'd have to travel from Fremantle WA to Osborne SA every time for full-cycle maintenance or even if there was a problem that couldn't be fixed easily in port. As you say that's many hours of wasted time and staff resources every year just to do that - why not just put the maintenance where the permanent base is? Apparently the French have already decided that this is what they want to do anyway but the navy and the government are mucking around with the actual announcement.

If we're going to go American-style and start divvying up defense contracts as an economic reward then we need to try and at least do that fairly so that every state gets a share where practicable.
don_dunstan
Sports rorts anyone?
Sub maintenance will go wherever the most marginal seats are.
Logistics and practicality are irrelevant.

WA yep, east coast, maybe. SA ridiculous.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
This Attack Class project gets better all the time - now the French contractors (Naval) are saying they don't want to have to comply with the minimum 50% local content requirements for the submarines meaning that they want to import most of the content from elsewhere rather than make it here. I guess that's a significant cost saving to them but it's not what we were promised. ABC:

Yesterday the French company building the submarines, Naval Group, said it was not sure the boats' Australian industry content would reach 50 per cent.

"We didn't know the Australian market before we joined the program," the company's chief executive John Davis told The Australian.

"Now we have a much deeper insight, and we recognise there is a lot more work to be done than we anticipated."...

... [Adelaide company] MG Engineering managing director Anthony Brdar said he had hoped to have increased his workforce from 25 to 100 by now in preparation for work flowing from the project, but simply could not afford to take the risk.

"It's very disappointing, because I believe our company has proven itself in defence naval contracts," Mr Brdar said.

"We were very much looking forward to these opportunities, and [we have] very much planned our workforce and its future around defence contracts."

After securing the future submarines contract in 2016, Naval Group's parent company DCNS said "over 90 per cent" of the build would happen in Australia, with work to be centred in Adelaide.

That figure was revised down to about 60 per cent last year.

Now it's not even going to break 50% local content (apparently), so estimates of how many jobs will be created were just a fallacy weren't they. What a shock that this thing has turned into one very large broken promise about jobs for locals.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
South Australia's desperation over the Attack Class Submarines contract is palpable. As is Western Australia's desperation to win the maintenance contract - WA Today;

The OPV program is part of a planned $200 billion defence spend over the next decade up for grabs for states who want to host the work.

WA and South Australia are currently locked in a battle over naval work, both eagerly awaiting an announcement on where nearly $8 billion worth of maintenance contracts on Australia's aging Collins Class submarine fleet will be based.

South Australia argued moving the work, known as full cycle docking, to WA would rip jobs out of Adelaide and cost $650 million.

WA Defence Issues Minister Paul Papalia said the Collins Class was already based in WA and South Australia's shipbuilding workforce would be under immense pressure as the Hunter Class Frigate and $50 billion Attack Class submarine build programs get under way.

Mr Papalia has overseen an intense lobbying effort to attract federal defence dollars and jobs to WA and said bringing full cycle docking to WA would be like building a new Optus stadium in Perth every two years.

There's only a limited amount of Commonwealth pork to go around and it looks like Perth wants their fair share.
don_dunstan
This issue is worthy of discussion but what is the connection to the AdMet thread?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

This Attack Class project gets better all the time - now the French contractors (Naval) are saying they don't want to have to comply with the minimum 50% local content requirements for the submarines meaning that they want to import most of the content from elsewhere rather than make it here. I guess that's a significant cost saving to them but it's not what we were promised. ABC:

Yesterday the French company building the submarines, Naval Group, said it was not sure the boats' Australian industry content would reach 50 per cent.

"We didn't know the Australian market before we joined the program," the company's chief executive John Davis told The Australian.

"Now we have a much deeper insight, and we recognise there is a lot more work to be done than we anticipated."...

... [Adelaide company] MG Engineering managing director Anthony Brdar said he had hoped to have increased his workforce from 25 to 100 by now in preparation for work flowing from the project, but simply could not afford to take the risk.

"It's very disappointing, because I believe our company has proven itself in defence naval contracts," Mr Brdar said.

"We were very much looking forward to these opportunities, and [we have] very much planned our workforce and its future around defence contracts."

After securing the future submarines contract in 2016, Naval Group's parent company DCNS said "over 90 per cent" of the build would happen in Australia, with work to be centred in Adelaide.

That figure was revised down to about 60 per cent last year.

Now it's not even going to break 50% local content (apparently), so estimates of how many jobs will be created were just a fallacy weren't they. What a shock that this thing has turned into one very large broken promise about jobs for locals.
don_dunstan
Surely a contract of this magnitude is in enforceable or at the very damages claimed?
Time for someone in government to grow a set, get a spine and lawyer up.

Don may have been correct all along, buy of the shelf!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If an RP thread ever stayed on topic I’d be amazed and think I was reading a forum elsewhere.
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Love how a thread about Ad Met has turned in to a war on trading hours.

It's a simple. Yes we need longer trading hours. I agree with that, Shops should however be closed

Christmas Day
New Years Day
Australia Day (and the Aus Day public holiday if Aus Day falls on a Sat/Sun)

Good Friday
Easter Sunday
Easter Monday

Anzac Day - til noon (as it is now)

Shops don't need to be open 365 days a year
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
This issue is worthy of discussion but what is the connection to the AdMet thread?
62430
Agreed, I'll re-post that last comment somewhere in the lounge... probably the 'economy' thread seeing as its an economic issue for SA and we'll continue the discussion there.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

As a South Australian with potential employment prospects linked to the sub maintenance I say ‘send it to WA’, it just doesn’t make sense sending large, relatively slow military hardware (or any heavy industry hardware) thousands of nm for maintenance.

They have a perfectly good base in WA, do the maintenance there.
Aaron
For once I have to fully agree with Aaron isn't that what a sub base is for to keep them maintained and it also means things get fixed almost straightaway not sailed hundreds of NM to get it fixed. It is like asking you to drive your car to Sydney simply to get it serviced, but local agents service your car and save you money doing it. So why should it be any different with the submarines.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Northern Connector opening now scheduled for 12 March.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Northern Connector opening now scheduled for 12 March.
justapassenger
Excellent, it'll make driving up north much easier.

It was poor old Tony Abbott (then Prime Minister) who kicked in Commonwealth money for that one, remember? And at last its here.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It was funded by the Turnbull federal and Weatherill state governments in their respective 2016 budgets.

The influence of the Abbott government on the project was to de-scope it (remove the rail component) and delay it (it could have been funded in his first budget). His involvement in this project deserves a fart in the face, not congratulations.

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