It's the economy, stupid!

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
- you're pretty much the only person on this board who can't see that.
That may or may not be true but what is unambiguously clear is that there seems to be only a couple of active players left on this thread. I wonder why that is. Even the simple entertainment value of endless grandstanding wears thin after a while!

Steve
sydneyshortnorth
Well we both have strong opinions and neither of us will be moved. I'm really tired of it too but as long as he keeps answering I feel obliged to respond.

Sponsored advertisement

  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Good one Don,
you just demonstrated that your entire input to this debate is completely null and void and you have again demonstrated you clueless to what the submarine project is all about, who actually bid, what the price was and more to the point, who can actually supply a diesel submarine.
RTT_Rules
I understand exactly what it was about: It was a hybrid welfare program/pork barrel and defense consultancy feed trough.

And as I was just discussing with GroundRelay - the answer is: DON'T BUY ANY. Invest the $100,000,000,000 in some other more modern defense capability. Problem solved.
In addition you are completely clueless on why the longterm Australian strategic defense requirements started planning the replacement of the existing Sub fleet more than a decade ago, long before the demise of the car industry and any other welfare needs to save the South Australian economy from achieving irrelevancy in the national economy.
RTT_Rules
Seriously, 700-odd jobs at Osborne is going to save the South Australian economy from irrelevancy?
Just for you Don and again for the 10,000,000th time, no American supplier bid on the project, maybe actually read one of your own links because that's how I found out who the bidders were. Why, because no American supplier makes diesel submarines nor are the nuclear models they do make for sale internationally due to restrictions put in place by the US govt regarding nuclear hardware.
RTT_Rules
We're in ANZUS. We're part of the five eyes network. Of course they'd lease us a nuclear sub.
Even the Canadian's are or are considering buying the same model sub as Australia from the French for all mostly the same reasons Australia did.
RTT_Rules
Because they're too whimpy to buy nuclear? Good to know we have an equivalent government frightened of nuclear subs.
Finally Don, you have proved you are done here.
RTT_Rules
Not by a long shot, sunshine. As long as you want to keep arguing I'll keep pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about. You don't even understand the parameters of the project, you can't distinguish between your opinion and fact and yet you think you're an expert on it? Please.
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.
See my post at 7:44pm today.

I'm tempted to dob in this thread and its persistently arguing participants before they become more abusive than they already are. In the meantime can I politely suggest you take your personal issues off-line and stop trashing your reputations on here!

Steve
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
See my post at 7:44pm today.

I'm tempted to dob in this thread and its persistently arguing participants before they become more abusive than they already are. In the meantime can I politely suggest you take your personal issues off-line and stop trashing your reputations on here!

Steve
sydneyshortnorth
What reputation - the one that I have for being a relentless stirrer?

I'm pretty sure that David is aware of what's going on here but he's not that concerned. I'd rather be talking about the present state of the economy too but RTT_Rules wants to keep talking about the futility of the Attack Class Submarines project so that's what we're discussing here.

Nobody responded to my post about the price of gold and silver, the state of the AU$ etc. Feel free to contribute by all means, it would be a welcome distraction from the Attack Class Project.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
See my post at 7:44pm today.

I'm tempted to dob in this thread and its persistently arguing participants before they become more abusive than they already are. In the meantime can I politely suggest you take your personal issues off-line and stop trashing your reputations on here!

Steve
What reputation - the one that I have for being a relentless stirrer?

I'm pretty sure that David is aware of what's going on here but he's not that concerned. I'd rather be talking about the present state of the economy too but RTT_Rules wants to keep talking about the futility of the Attack Class Submarines project so that's what we're discussing here.

Nobody responded to my post about the price of gold and silver, the state of the AU$ etc. Feel free to contribute by all means, it would be a welcome distraction from the Attack Class Project.
don_dunstan
The Gold price is going up because the world is increasingly becoming less economically stable.

Silver, mmm, not used in photos anymore.

Platinum and Palladium are the fast moving metals overtaking the yellow metal.

Aussie $ is headed south because of the declining state of the global economy and commodity prices.

I've stated previously for Don to stop wasting forum space and go off line and there was an outcry by others not too.

Don has not said anything to me that I take offensive and I hope my posts are the same. If I thought he or anyone else did, I