I read some years ago that most fatalities at railway crossings were people who lived within 5km so you have to assume that familiarity is the key problem.
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I read some years ago that most fatalities at railway crossings were people who lived within 5km so you have to assume that familiarity is the key problem.That assumption seems like a bit of a leap to me.
I have no idea where I read that so don't ask me for a link - but it makes total sense because the people who use the crossings the most are locals who live in close proximity and therefore are the most likely to be killed.I read some years ago that most fatalities at railway crossings were people who lived within 5km so you have to assume that familiarity is the key problem.That assumption seems like a bit of a leap to me.
If that is a fact (I'd like to see the data) then surely it would just be confirming that people who live close to level crossings will drive across them far more often than people who do not.
Australian drivers are notorious for 'looking but not seeing' or 'looking straight through' incidents. We need a revolution in the training/assessment of learner drivers and the introduction of ongoing driver training/assessment to keep experienced drivers fresh.
People can die in road accidents anywhere, that most people are ‘allegedly’ (like JAP, I have seen no real data) did close to home is most likely a function of that being where they spend most of their time driving.It's certainly quite a plausible theory, but until I see data I'll also consider it plausible that it's one of those 'facts' that 'everyone knows.'
I drive to and from my house everyday, sometimes multiple times a day, I spend a lot of time driving those roads. It is exceptionally rare that I drive to Perth (I have done it once), so my chances of dying in a road crash between Ceduna and Coolgardie (or Kalgoorlie which I also visited) are quite remote.Correct, you would need to show that 'local' collisions are disproportionately high and I don't think there would be enough data points to make that conclusion with any level of confidence.
I’d like to see that data broken down to not chance based on distance, but chance normalised against time spent in the area - that I think would see the risk normalised across all roads.
The cynic in me says we won’t ever be given an estimate based on that, because it would remove the ‘familiarity’ and hence part of the ‘distraction’ reasoning and revenue seekers won’t want that. It would mean they’d have to go looking at real and causes that would cost money, not make money.100%.
People can die in road accidents anywhere, that most people are ‘allegedly’ (like JAP, I have seen no real data) did close to home is most likely a function of that being where they spend most of their time driving.That was confirmed by what I had read some years ago, that locals are most at risk of dying at unprotected crossings probably because they're the ones who use them the most.
Correct, you would need to show that 'local' collisions are disproportionately high and I don't think there would be enough data points to make that conclusion with any level of confidence.But even so the public is still horrified at the apparently dangerous nature of unprotected crossings every time an incident like this happens - despite the incidence being statistically very low.
The most recent level crossing stats I looked at (from the ONRSR) had level crossing collisions happening at a rate of 1.01 collisions per 1000 level crossings in the six month period of July-December 2018. I believe the scientific term for such a low incidence rate is bugger all.
I have been hearing this for years, that a high proportion of accidents happen close to home. I cannot find actual stats but if you google 'statistics car accidents close to home' you will see plenty of info about it.I read some years ago that most fatalities at railway crossings were people who lived within 5km so you have to assume that familiarity is the key problem.That assumption seems like a bit of a leap to me.
If that is a fact (I'd like to see the data) then surely it would just be confirming that people who live close to level crossings will drive across them far more often than people who do not.
Australian drivers are notorious for 'looking but not seeing' or 'looking straight through' incidents. We need a revolution in the training/assessment of learner drivers and the introduction of ongoing driver training/assessment to keep experienced drivers fresh.
We have already explained why what you have read about ‘letting your guard down’ is likely rubbish.Sorry, I didn't realise that "we" (whoever "we" are) are the undisputable experts on everything. Why don't you let us all know who this "we" is so that the rest of us won't need to bother posting anything on RP anymore lest we dare repeat something that the Royal Wee has already told us.
BTW David, why was my post deleted? It was absolutely within the rules.
FIGJAM, is readily apparent.We have already explained why what you have read about ‘letting your guard down’ is likely rubbish.Sorry, I didn't realise that "we" (whoever "we" are) are the undisputable experts on everything. Why don't you let us all know who this "we" is so that the rest of us won't need to bother posting anything on RP anymore lest we dare repeat something that the Royal Wee has already told us.
BTW David, why was my post deleted? It was absolutely within the rules.
We have already explained why what you have read about ‘letting your guard down’ is likely rubbish.For statisticians things are either on or off, black or white; there is no grey. Such absolutes are rarely helpful.
For statisticians things are either on or off, black or white; there is no grey. Such absolutes are rarely helpful.Rubbish. A proper statistician will always state the confidence level when they give a finding, even if the confidence level is so close to 1.00 that it may as well be an absolute truth.
Locals know a level crossing, they also know it is rare to encounter a train there. On the other hand, the local knows that they frequently have to give way to other road traffic when crossing/turning on to a highway.Plausible theory.
When you are lulled by routine to expect a particular condition, that is what you will see, unless something breaks the reverie. It is a well known phenomenon in incident investigation.Just because it is “well known” by “everyone” doesn't mean it is factual.
This happens all the time. People need to look for trains.Note that "all the time" equalled just 30 times in the 12 month period covering 1 July 2018 to 30 June 2019, across the whole of Australia.
Looking but not seeing, looking straight through.I read some years ago that most fatalities at railway crossings were people who lived within 5km so you have to assume that familiarity is the key problem.That assumption seems like a bit of a leap to me.
If that is a fact (I'd like to see the data) then surely it would just be confirming that people who live close to level crossings will drive across them far more often than people who do not.
Australian drivers are notorious for 'looking but not seeing' or 'looking straight through' incidents. We need a revolution in the training/assessment of learner drivers and the introduction of ongoing driver training/assessment to keep experienced drivers fresh.
2018 data:The campaigns of the last 20 years have brought things to the point where level crossings are among the safest parts of Australia's road system.Can you support that with hard data?
Looking but not seeing, looking straight through.Qualitative assessment given in a panel discussion here a couple of years ago, which was the first time I had heard the 'looking straight through' description of when a driver looks in the direction of the hazard but doesn't actually process that it's a hazard.
Notorious, says who?
Any data, or opinion?
But even so the public is still horrified at the apparently dangerous nature of unprotected crossings every time an incident like this happens - despite the incidence being statistically very low.It is my opinion (you know what opinions are like) that ALL level crossings need to be removed as the quality of driving skills found among the general population of drivers doesn't allow for what seems to be common sense around level crossings. The safest place for a train is in a well ventilated tunnel away from crazy rubber tyre vehicle operators.
In order to meet the new nanny-state expectations we have in the 21st century you would need to remove every single unprotected crossing along a railway line to ensure that a collision doesn't happen; I'm not sure if there's any other way around that problem of human behaviour.
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