The corona virus COVID-19

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I got told at my local Bunnings "no more than two boxes per customer"... actually needed a large box to post something tomorrow and they didn't have any so I'll have to combine two. I pleaded with the checkout lady that we needed it for toilet paper and she nearly collapsed in laughter...

Panic everyone! ScoMo is incompetent, time to start panic buying EVERYTHING!

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I got told at my local Bunnings "no more than two boxes per customer"... actually needed a large box to post something tomorrow and they didn't have any so I'll have to combine two. I pleaded with the checkout lady that we needed it for toilet paper and she nearly collapsed in laughter...

Panic everyone! ScoMo is incompetent, time to start panic buying EVERYTHING!
don_dunstan
Don, read today, Scomo is a nuclear grade F,,,wit.
Can’t improve on that.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Retail laws are controlled by the states, SA’s being famously ridiculously regulated, that said there’s good reason ‘the government’ in our state didn’t act to prevent panic buying - ‘customer limits’ are not backed by legislation here. When retailers place those signs in SA they must do so knowing they’re not actually in position to enforce them.
Aaron
I also have a theory that the supermarkets are secretly loving this situation and don't really want to do anything about it - people are buying stuff out that is in no way in shortage - there's just a lag while the distribution networks pick back up but there's no actual shortage of toilet paper. They want people to keep coming back and buying loads more stuff than they need - it's the perfect anecdote to these retail blues!

As I side-issue I saw a man/lady couple doing 'daigou' yesterday at my local Woolies systematically buying all the baby formula until it was all gone - she was going back in repeatedly and getting two tins at a time through the self-serve until there was none left by the time we left. Very systematic and staff would have known exactly what was going on - I certainly noticed and I was only there for 20 minutes.

So that's still a thing, obviously.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Bloomberg today reckons that Australia could be potentially heading for a recession, the first one in nearly 30 years, Chinese imports have almost come to a halt, among many other things : https://news.yahoo.com/australia-headed-first-recession-since-072707071.html
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I got told at my local Bunnings "no more than two boxes per customer"... actually needed a large box to post something tomorrow and they didn't have any so I'll have to combine two. I pleaded with the checkout lady that we needed it for toilet paper and she nearly collapsed in laughter...

Panic everyone! ScoMo is incompetent, time to start panic buying EVERYTHING!
Don, read today, Scomo is a nuclear grade F,,,wit.
Can’t improve on that.
michaelgm

Look I can't deny that but then would Shorten have been any better?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Retail laws are controlled by the states, SA’s being famously ridiculously regulated, that said there’s good reason ‘the government’ in our state didn’t act to prevent panic buying - ‘customer limits’ are not backed by legislation here. When retailers place those signs in SA they must do so knowing they’re not actually in position to enforce them.
Aaron
They are in a position to enforce them, any business is permitted to choose to sell (or not sell) anything and they don't need any government approval to do so.

I don't believe that there is any legislation (state or federal) which establishes that toilet paper is a restricted access product (like tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines etc) subject to government regulation. Any request from the government would be only that, a request and not an order.

I'm sure that Coles and Woolworths jumped at the chance to agree to ScoMo's request to limit toilet roll purchases (a new low in Prime Ministerial gravitas, can you imagine previous PMs like Curtin, Menzies, Howard etc personally talking to supermarket management about toilet paper?) at all stores, because they already had individual store managers using their discretion to limit it at their stores only and were probably going to make it national regardless of whether the PM called. They have now banked a favour with ScoMo that didn't cost them anything, winning move right there.

But let's suppose that SA did have that sort of power legislated on the books and that our cardboard cutout Premier did attempt to enforce it. He might have called up Coles to enact such a restriction and it might have gone like this...
Ring ring, ring ring
Steven Cain, Coles CEO: Hello, Cain speaking.
Steven Marshall, Premier of SA: Good afternoon Mr Cain, this is Steven Marshall in Adelaide, how are you?
SC: (searches memory for Steven Marshall and finds nothing, decides to try teasing out some info)
SC: Very well thanks, how are things going with you?
SM: Things are great. Listen, I'm sure you're aware of this panic buying of toilet paper and so I've decided to order you to limit purchases to customers.
SC: Oh really, just remind me of the authority for this?
SM: Well it's in our trading laws over here that we can declare restrict the number of purchases , and I do get to decide since I am the premier of the state.
SC: (recalls not-so-recent incident involving a SA premier)
SC: Aren't you the bloke who got bashed with a rolled up newspaper?
SM: No, that was a magazine actually and ...
SC: (cuts off Marshall) I'm pretty sure it was a newspaper ...
SM: Maybe it was, but it wasn't actually me.
SC: Oh yeah? Look son, I'm the CEO of a major corporation and I'm far too busy to take prank calls about toilet paper. If I want to talk to Mr Rann about toilet paper I'll damn well do it, now bugger off!
SC: (slams down phone)
SM: (decides that helping out pricks like that by deregulating shopping hours isn't really a priority)
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Is Sydney ready for a complete lockdown? Is this even possible?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-10/coronavirus-spreads-in-nsw-doctor-calls-for-sydney-quarantine/12040128

I think any disembarking passenger at an International Airport should be required to go into quarantine first. There should be no further waiting.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I got told at my local Bunnings "no more than two boxes per customer"... actually needed a large box to post something tomorrow and they didn't have any so I'll have to combine two. I pleaded with the checkout lady that we needed it for toilet paper and she nearly collapsed in laughter...

Panic everyone! ScoMo is incompetent, time to start panic buying EVERYTHING!
Don, read today, Scomo is a nuclear grade F,,,wit.
Can’t improve on that.

Look I can't deny that but then would Shorten have been any better?
don_dunstan
We’ll never know that answer.
In terms of stimulating the joint, Shorten would have most likely replicated Rudds GFC effort.
Interested to see Scomos response, whenever that is. Temporary, targeted and scalable.
A new three word slogan.

It’s happening on your watch the member for Cook, cannot blame Labor.
I’ll be tracking down someone’s response to, the buck stops with you.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Qantas just announced more flights being cut taking out 1.2 of their international capacity.

Where will this end?
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
My sister and brother-in-law (in mid 80's, living in Chatswood) are becoming concerned as their supply of toilet paper is getting low. He has gone down each day to find empty shelves, so yesterday he went and queued up for the opening at Aldi only to find that their delivery had not yet arrived. I am flying to Sydney 5 weeks from today (on the way to Europe) and they have joked I may have to pack my own toilet paper. It is ridiculous, has funny side but could be a problem for some elderly.  I can just remember using newspaper as a child at the end of the war, so guess they, being 10 years older than me, may have even better memories. They still get the SMH delivered daily. I no longer get anything but the weekly free paper.  Fortunately my favourite brand was on special 2 weeks running so I have enough to last until I set off on my travels.  However the government here has restricted prescription paracetamol. In NZ, it is usual to get 3 months supply on a prescription at a time unlike the one month in Australia but paracetamol is now just 1 month at a time. I bought up Panadol for my trip away and the shelves in the chemist were low.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The local supermarket has run out of wet wipes too.  People have been using these and subsequently busting sewerage systems in apartment buildings already.

Idiots.

As for Qantas, they're now grounding 8 of their A380 jets and axing one quarter of overseas flights.

As for the AFL, empty stadiums are on the agenda:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-coronavirus-fremantle-afl-crowds-empty-stadiums-fans-turned-away-mcg/news-story/98da426b239e072514dcd991ce17c2ec
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Running out of toilet paper is not a big deal, simply shower after taking a dump, or find a secluded area in your back yard and hose it off!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

My sister and brother-in-law (in mid 80's, living in Chatswood) are becoming concerned as their supply of toilet paper is getting low. …
Brianr
Tell them to go to an independent. They aren't being cleaned out as badly as the chains are, and the word is starting to get around that some owners/managers are going out of their way to help out loyal customers and elderly locals by holding stock for them.

Get them to do a decent sized shop there to show their support and not just try to take advantage of them.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The local supermarket has run out of wet wipes too.  People have been using these and subsequently busting sewerage systems in apartment buildings already.

Idiots.

As for Qantas, they're now grounding 8 of their A380 jets and axing one quarter of overseas flights.

As for the AFL, empty stadiums are on the agenda:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-coronavirus-fremantle-afl-crowds-empty-stadiums-fans-turned-away-mcg/news-story/98da426b239e072514dcd991ce17c2ec
Carnot
It wouldn't matter much for the Gold Coast Suns, they're stadiums are nearly empty anyway...
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
My local supermarket still has none - I can only speculate that people are still panic-buying and hoarding, which is exactly what they were told NOT to do.

Its at times of crisis that we see 21st century Australians for exactly what they are - greedy, selfish and totally uncaring about the next person.
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Proof that imports from China have evaporated:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-10/coronavirus-trade-collapse-paints-grim-picture-for-rest-of-2020/12042738
Carnot

I am concerned we are about to see a global meltdown even larger than the GFC.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It wouldn't matter much for the Gold Coast Suns, they're stadiums are nearly empty anyway...
lsrailfan
Port Power games will be fine, their fans have built up an immunity to far nastier stuff.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Could be a possibility those empty standiums



Now I will not be able to attend the match where Carlton beats Richmond Round 1
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Now I will not be able to attend the match where Carlton beats Richmond Round 1
"bevans"
Aw I dunno; if you're still around in 20 years time it just might happen.
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Proof that imports from China have evaporated:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-10/coronavirus-trade-collapse-paints-grim-picture-for-rest-of-2020/12042738

I am concerned we are about to see a global meltdown even larger than the GFC.
bevans
Well we've been putting off Schumpeter's "creative destruction" part of the economic cycle for thirty years, I think truly capitalist market systems need a good shake out every now and again. There will be victims though.

As long as the pain is spread relatively equally and the government doesn't rescue the wealthy as they're apt to do - I have read rumblings on the interwebs about Westpac possibly having liquidity problems down the track because they're the most exposed to the housing bubble and they've lost 30% off their share price in the last few weeks alone. By coincidence I read a theory recently that Keating secretly bailed them out in 1990 because they were technically insolvent after the wreaking job that Tim Marcus-Clarke did on them.

I guess the policy hasn't changed, too big to fail - socialise the losses and privatise the profits, all that jazz. What other business is there like the Big Four? The most profitable institutions on the face of the planet per capita AND they get bailed out when they bugger up?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It wouldn't matter much for the Gold Coast Suns, they're stadiums are nearly empty anyway...
Port Power games will be fine, their fans have built up an immunity to far nastier stuff.
justapassenger
They're determined to run the games though even if they're in empty stadiums, I saw them saying this very thing on TV tonight.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
They're determined to run the games though even if they're in empty stadiums, I saw them saying this very thing on TV tonight.
don_dunstan
Why bother with all those expensive players then? Just run a computer simulation of the game, they're pretty realistic now and much cheaper. You could mix in crowd noise to suit. Maybe even have a Roy and HG commentary!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Running out of toilet paper is not a big deal, simply shower after taking a dump, or find a secluded area in your back yard and hose it off!
Graham4405
..or just buy a bum gun and wash your ar$e first and then use a few sheets to wipe clean like much of the world does.

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