Collective tender seeks waste solution

 

News article: Collective tender seeks waste solution

Greater Dandenong City Council, together with 15 other councils from Melbourne’s south-east, have begun the first collective tender for advanced waste processing solutions.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This proposal could help bolster the proposal for the energy plant in Ballarat which is on the cards and which could benefit greatly from the rubbish being railed into the power plant from Dandenong area.

Collective tender seeks waste solution

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  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
I don't see anything in that article about rail being used. I would bet it would be more A Doubles on the Western Freeway.
  aussie48 Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I don't see anything in that article about rail being used. I would bet it would be more A Doubles on the Western Freeway.
501M
Correct Ordish Road is no where near a railway line so the only way to get waste there is via road transport.
Looking at the map the plant if approved will most likely be between East Link and Ordish Road where Cleanaway are situated.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Correct Ordish Road is no where near a railway line so the only way to get waste there is via road transport.
Looking at the map the plant if approved will most likely be between East Link and Ordish Road where Cleanaway are situated.
aussie48

And here lies one of the major issues with planning.  Trucks may transfer to the station but that is not where the rubbish will remain, it will need to be transferred from there in bulk one assumes?
  aussie48 Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Correct Ordish Road is no where near a railway line so the only way to get waste there is via road transport.
Looking at the map the plant if approved will most likely be between East Link and Ordish Road where Cleanaway are situated.

And here lies one of the major issues with planning.  Trucks may transfer to the station but that is not where the rubbish will remain, it will need to be transferred from there in bulk one assumes?
bevans
Do you even bother to read and comprehend the items that you blithley post?  The article states the facility being considered for construction by approval by the EPA is in Ordish Road.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Correct Ordish Road is no where near a railway line so the only way to get waste there is via road transport.
Looking at the map the plant if approved will most likely be between East Link and Ordish Road where Cleanaway are situated.

And here lies one of the major issues with planning.  Trucks may transfer to the station but that is not where the rubbish will remain, it will need to be transferred from there in bulk one assumes?
bevans
sorry @bevans but you really have got your train goggles on with this one.

Re-read the proposal. It is to create an incinerator at Ordish Rd, not tranfer the crap elswhere like Cleanaway do currently. That saves a lot of trucks going the extra journey to land fill,  ever further away.

Not such a bad idea, keeping the smell in the heart of Metals, Rubbish, Recycle zone well clear of residential.
Most of the nearest homes (2-3 km) are even closer to the water recycling plant (poo farm east), or vegi farms - they know what is resonable given best practice is observed.

PS amusing that the Cleanaway offices aren't at the smell centre. About 1 km away.

cheers
John
  9034 Train Controller

Wonder how long before the greenies kick up a stink!   https://greens.org.au/vic/recyclingrevolution  
They don't seem to like them.  Gasp! even worse than Coal fired stations!

Seems to work  work overseas.   https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/biomass/waste-to-energy.php

Do we have any  in Australia running now?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Wonder how long before the greenies kick up a stink!   https://greens.org.au/vic/recyclingrevolution  
They don't seem to like them.  Gasp! even worse than Coal fired stations!

Seems to work  work overseas.   https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/biomass/waste-to-energy.php

Do we have any  in Australia running now?
9034
9034’s back on the coal roads.
Is there an election looming?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Wonder how long before the greenies kick up a stink!   https://greens.org.au/vic/recyclingrevolution  
They don't seem to like them.  Gasp! even worse than Coal fired stations!

Seems to work  work overseas.   https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/biomass/waste-to-energy.php

Do we have any  in Australia running now?
9034’s back on the coal roads.
Is there an election looming?
michaelgm

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Vast amounts of rubbish goes via rail in the USA and Europe better for the environment. If you really want to start looking after the environment  and lowering emissions then rail is the answer.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Wonder how long before the greenies kick up a stink!   https://greens.org.au/vic/recyclingrevolution  
They don't seem to like them.  Gasp! even worse than Coal fired stations!

Seems to work  work overseas.   https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/biomass/waste-to-energy.php

Do we have any  in Australia running now?
9034
I agree, irrespective of politics, NIMBY lives well in Australia. Everyone likes the idea, except next door to them.

None are running in Australia to accept mixed wastes, particularly Municipal Solid Waste (MSW). There are Waste to Energy (WtE) or Energey from Waste (EfW) plants in Australia, but are designed for specific waste streams, eg bagasse in the sugar mills to make power or wood chips to make biochar and power in SA.

Overseas there are Mass burn WtE plants, successfully operating. The major cost are the capex for the system including emission controls and the major revenue streams are electricity and heat. The later is an issue in trying make money from that in Australia as markets for that are very limited.

In Europe, the heat is used for central heating schemes used in high density housing. In Copenhagen it works there. But there are no schemes of that type in Australia. So the power generation and gate fees are the revenue streams and they are competing with mature markets.

In Australia there is only major plant being built and that is at Kiwana. The rest are proposals, thought bubbles (like an Australian VFT) or at planning, financing stages.

The industry is littered with failed proposals, usually killed due to public opposition. The challenge is these plants need to be near both waste generation source and the catchment for the potential power. Yet no one wants one near them and that drives up costs for any project. The investment for these need a 20 to 25 year contract for feedstock, so finance is a challenge if there is opposition. Banks get nervous when governments get nervous.

Locating these is a massive challenge. It is already a challenge for Council's to site a Transfer Station so residents don't have to travel far, yet no one wants one in their street. So the finding the balance is challenging. The Industry needs to gain the Social Licence from the public first with these. Not sure Australians think like the Europeans or the Americans with this.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Vast amounts of rubbish goes via rail in the USA and Europe better for the environment. If you really want to start looking after the environment  and lowering emissions then rail is the answer.
freightgate
Already happens in NSW. They have two Transfer Stations that have material rail hauled to Tarago.

Could be more, as a proposal was mooted for Canberra, but NIMBY works well in Oz.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/5992598/recycling-companys-rail-plan-on-track-after-decisive-court-ruling/

Rail can work well if the system is designed along the existing rail network. However Waste Industries are often forced to operate beyond the population catchment.

Apart from rail, London, barges waste along the Thames to a couple of WtE plants. They are an eye opener.

Hong Kong does the same.

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